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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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LBZT · 27/05/2014 20:50

What a plonker...well he can't have contact time now can he so he has shot himself in the foot so to speak...don't play the game.
How are you doing mrsc?

MrsC1969HJ · 27/05/2014 21:04

Captain I know, it's weird. Obviously I text him back and said that I had never heard of a phone that didn't text especially as he had text me, idiot. He didn't reply. It did show it had been delivered. What a tosser.

Clutterbugsmum...Ha ha, indeed! What a bloody idiot, he just doesn't think, never ever stops to think. They must both have brain damage, seriously!!

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MrsC1969HJ · 27/05/2014 21:06

3littlefrogs...indeed, two can play at that game. He would be the first to complain if there was an emergency and he wasn't told! He always always shoots himself in the foot, all the bloody time!

LBZT I am not pandering to him, he is an idiot. I am fine thanks my lovely, excellent counselling session this morning, always makes me feel better. Unfortunately, I then had to go and have a post put in my gum because I broke a tooth, that hurt and have a raging ear infection so feeling a bit "ouch" tonight!!

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AcrossthePond55 · 28/05/2014 02:23

What an idiot. He really doesn't think before he does something, does he?

I do know that here there ARE phones that don't text. They are usually the 'pay as you go' phones. We got one for my mum (in a senior home) so she could call me and we had them 'turn off' text messaging and voicemail since she wouldn't be able to handle either.

I'd guess that 'for some reason' he's had to have his phone shut off & get a new one?

springydaffs · 28/05/2014 09:04

Bizarre. It's usually the RP who has to do something like that because of harassment from NRP. He is NRP and he's cut himself off from emergency info about dc. I'm sure your lawyer will be interested in this info. Shows his interest is not about dc, it's about YOU.

Poor you with an ear infection. Hope you're better soon xx

pointythings · 28/05/2014 09:09

He's obviously lying about phones that don't text - no such thing exists these days. I'd second informing your solicitor this, he's made himself unavailable in an emergency and that isn't going to look good for him.

He really is the biggest twonk on the planet, isn't he?

MrsC1969HJ · 28/05/2014 11:48

Across, that is exactly right!

Springy and Pointy, he has called me on it this morning and has confirmed that I can reach it on him 24/7 from now on. We'll see, won't we?! If course it receives texts, he just doesn't want me to text him, it's ridiculous. He is such a prick, never stops to think what he is saying or doing and just continually shows himself up. He said the old number that he cut off after 19/20 years was causing hm to be "harrassed" chased for maintenance and confronted with his shit behaviour etc

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LBZT · 28/05/2014 12:16

what gives him the right to dictate your method of communication?? That would be my response to him I'd tell him what you feel comfortable with, don't put up with his pathetic attempt at control of this situation.

DocMcStuffinsBigBookOfOuches · 28/05/2014 12:41

Sounds like he's trying to make sure nothing gets put in writing, therefore it boils down to "he said, she said" and he can deny everything.

Personally I would refuse to communicate with him unless it was in writing, given his previous form.

AcrossthePond55 · 28/05/2014 14:48

Well, of course, Doc has it! Texts leave a 'paper trail' for lack of a better word and he doesn't want a 'written' record of the stupid things he says! I'm sure he & OW have looked at some of his texting & smacked themselves at what he's said.

The only other thing it could be is that he feels he can intimidate you verbally (tone of voice, volume) but that his texts aren't 'intimidating' enough.

DPotter · 28/05/2014 15:25

I agree with Doc as well.

I don't have any personal knowledge of situations like this however it seems to me that threads where there have been allegations of harressment have always advised all communications to be text or email to reduce the potential for bullying etc ( and to keep a 'paper trail').

pointythings · 28/05/2014 15:46

I'd be texting him everything and making sure everything is in writing, since this is clearly what he doesn't want. Then his phone records can be pulled to prove that yes, he did receive the texts. He may have chosen not to read them, but that is his problem. The best solution here is to go completely non-verbal and text only if only because it will drive him screaming mad with rage.

handfulofcottonbuds · 28/05/2014 17:21

I only communicate with my stbxh through writing (text/email). I have even got a text from him apologising for his violence before he left, I bet he's kicking himself over admitting that now!

Why does there have to be contact at all regarding finances? All communication should go through your solicitor. I understand that there are some things you need contact with as he is still seeing your DS but is that all agreed now?

Hope you're okay today lovely x

Pinkballoon · 28/05/2014 21:31

Just sent you a message!

MrsC1969HJ · 28/05/2014 23:48

Pinkballoon Got it and replied..I am so sorry, have been on phone half the night, so very late. xx

Everybody else, I will reply tomorrow..thank you everybody for your posts and actually, stuff I hadn't thought about!! :-) xx

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MrsC1969HJ · 30/05/2014 14:07

Hi all, thanks for contributions regarding the phone/text/email situation. It hadn't actually occurred to me that he may be trying to avoid things being written down, that's quite possible. I have decided not to return to mediation. There is a second issue that has arisen that is likely to be a police matter therefore I don't think it is appropriate at all. I don't see the point in continuing on with this, we have had 5 sessions now and got exactly nowhere. So, I am going to make an application to court but will be doing this with my cousin who is a lawyer and representing myself as so many do in these situations. I am being neither greedy or unreasonable but want to be able to demonstrate that my husband is living a lifestyle that is at odds with the poverty he is complaining about. Further, I found a download on my computer that really upset me last night. It was for the transfer of his firearms. This was nine days before he left me and only 8 days after he "met OW for the first time on 8 years"....so lots of pre-planning and organisation for a relationship that had clearly been going on for considerably longer and on that basis alone, rather than do the right thing, he has spent the last 7 months trying to destroy me with the full support of that creature. Enough is enough, I need to take back some control. Further, all this "you can't text or email" rubbish has caused him to shoot himself in the foot...he clearly forgot about son's speech therapy assessment on Thursday and didn't turn up. He can't blame me for that, I couldn't contact him. Knob. Looking forward to my inlaws coming for the weekend, MIL chomping on the bit to have a look at disclosure docs!! :-)

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LBZT · 30/05/2014 14:55

MRSC I can feel the strength radiating off your last post, GO YOU, love it. I feel like you are about to turn around and kick some serious ass!

The only advice here is that you keep the bigger picture in mind and do not let yourself get bogged down with the tiny details.

Have a good weekend with your inlaws I hope they give you the encouragement and love to help you go forward.

AcrossthePond55 · 30/05/2014 15:46

YY, I can see you dancing through the house to that old disco fav "I will Survive!".

Going to court is a good idea! The less you have to see of him the better. And better still is that court is a controlled environment in which he won't dare go off on you. Wish he would so they could chuck him in jail, but I think even he isn't that stupid.

Doing things 'in pro per' is OK as long as you have your cousin review everything, of course. Has he retained new counsel? If so, can he be made to pay for yours if you end up thinking you need more representation? I hope things start moving ahead for your and the DCs sakes. All this mediation crap seems to me like just treading water.

MrsC1969HJ · 01/06/2014 17:18

Hi lovelies, thanks for messages :-). I feel like I have to take some "positive" action to bring this farce to an end. Just spent the afternoon with MIL going through the disclosure docs. He has paid himself £12,500 since he left, but couldn't support the kids and I as he was "broke" and "up to his neck in debt", I have seen less than £2K of that in maintenance, the rest being spent on his "new life" and what a lot of spending that has been. This is why we need to go to court. What a bastard :-(

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AcrossthePond55 · 01/06/2014 17:45

Yes, what a bastard! Now put that ammo in your evidence file BUT try to get it out of your head. The anger isn't worth it right now. You need cold, hard determination!

Another brick in the wall. The wall that will topple over on his worthless head before long!

pointythings · 01/06/2014 19:24

I think you need to take a few moments to find some comfort in the fact that your MIL - his actual mum is on your side and completely sees through him. That makes all your battles - however hard they are - so much more winnable.

I agree with letting go of the anger, or at least storing it until such time as the regrets try to resurface - use your anger as a force for progress in your life.

What has he spent £10k+ on, penis extensions?

MrsC1969HJ · 01/06/2014 19:28

Pointy...LOL! That did make me laugh. All spent on clothes, presents, weekends away, gifts, giant knickers, so on and so forth. Turned up yesterday with a shiny new private plate on the car that "belongs to her Dad"...yep, of course it does!

I am sad rather than angry, I just can't believe it. In the four months up until leaving he was clearly stashing money, lots of it, while telling me that we were skint and he couldn't give me extra etc...it's all there and this is only one account, he hasn't disclosed anything else. I have even got a letter from the last solicitor but one saying he had made a £19K loss, did he fuck! He must realise that he's shot himself in the foot with this. I can at least back up everything with HIS emails pleading poverty...poverty my butt! I don't know how he even looks at DS, I really don't :-( x

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pointythings · 01/06/2014 21:05

Giant knickers?

You are allowed to be sad, but at the same time be glad that he is shooting himself in the foot instead of having an amazing smart lawyer, hiding his finances in the Cayman Islands and generally ensuring with brilliant evil genius (see photo) that you and your DS are left with nothing.

I do enjoy making you laugh, I haven't been through all this crap before but have supported several relatives through it, and sometimes you just need something stupid to relieve the tension.

PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(
MrsC1969HJ · 01/06/2014 21:22

Ha ha! Love it! Indeed, giant knickers, and as I have said before, as you can't see anybody on here I don't want to insult any larger ladies, I have been one myself (well max size 16, at nearly 5ft 8 not the end of the world!), but I am not now, far from it, bought my first size 10 in years this weekend!! Divorce diets work!

I have just been adding up his expenditure and he has spent an absolute fortune in Toys R Us, hundreds of pounds, only 3 transactions have DS's name next to them though. What a shit. We're on fucking income support but he can lavish thousands on his "current" family. Please somebody tell me that court won't look favourably on this, only I have been searching MN for others who have been down this road and have been shafted by the judge. I can't see how he can claim poverty and desperation (and has written all of those pleadings down) and then produce this...what is galling me the most is all the credit cards that are paid in full...£500, £800, what is on them? He has refused to disclose. I don't want to do this, I really don't any more than I want to go and give a statement to the police tomorrow..but have no choice now :-( x

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pointythings · 01/06/2014 21:36

I really doubt that a judge will look favourably on him spending £megabucks on OW's kids and very little on his own... It's going to come back to bite him. Most MNers who have been down this road have had STBXHs who have been far smarter about hiding their assets and manipulating evidence. His utter dimness is probably his one saving grace, there are a lot of really cunning bastards out there.

And I don't know what the police statement is about, nor do I want to know, I just want to wish you strength because you will be doing the right thing. Flowers

I'm a size 18 at 5'11'' btw and I love big knickers. I just don't expect other people's husbands to buy them for me.