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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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springydaffs · 25/05/2014 16:38

You're not back at square one though, you have learnt to not engage. Granted, it may be difficult to keep it up now you're back in contact, but please please please keep it up to the best of your ability.

don't forget your original post, how terrible things were when you were engaging. You will get more more more of the same if you engage: everything was focused on getting a rise out of you - whatever you do, don't give it to them/him, don't satisfy their cruelty.

AcrossthePond55 · 25/05/2014 17:07

springy is right. You are much stronger. At first this setback would have totally annihilated you. Now it just makes you need some wine (OK maybe a LOT of wine) to deal with it. How far you have come no matter how hard he may try to push you back to the beginning!

MrsC1969HJ · 25/05/2014 22:56

Hi all, firstly I just want to say a massive thank you for all ongoing lovely messages of support and thank you Aoifebelle for sharing the rest of your sisters story which is lovely to hear! I hope things continue to get better for her :-).

So, remember when I said the open financial statement would ruin everything...indeed it did. However, it was a couple of issues, firstly H was told his firearms license was being permanently revoked. I didn't know about this until I texted him about a gas leak and he told me to "light a match" (!). Then it all came out, he would never forgive me, I had ruined his life, blah blah. Then I got the statement. Oh my GOD, hell on earth. He left me on October, pleaded poverty, couldn't support us, income support, tax credits, mortgage interest relief. Not for him it seems! £800 in the first month on meals out, perfume, weekly flower deliveries, Toys r Us (her son, not ours), hundreds and hundreds on new clothes, massive spends in John Lewis, hotels, breaks away, the most insulting one was £150 on outsize underwear from a specialist site (I don't want to be rude to anybody outsize, but I am not and do not require £150 on a bra and knicker set!!!). Anyway, you get the picture. Was devastated. Told him. He responded typically defensively by saying that he was ceasing contact etc..blah blah. Then I found more...a few days after he left in October he went on a business trip for a client (a regular trip) or so he told me. On his birthday he sent a pitiful text saying that he was damp, lonely and cold, sleeping in the van as he couldn't afford a hotel, worst birthday ever, no presents, no cards, could I send him a picture of DS. I did, I felt sorry for him. Found out he was actually on holiday with OW, expensive meals out, shopping etc. I was so devastated, told him and said it was now clear that OW had a "holiday home" and he responded by saying that it was actually OW's dead's husband's parent's holiday home! WHAT THE FUCK? So 10 ten days after he left me, she took him to that?!?! How fucked up are the pair of them? Confronted with all of this he has gone defensive, emails my solicitor loads of shit every five seconds, she has told him to go away and reappoint his own solicitor, I have been threatened with "harassment", so on and so forth. Today, I find there is a fraud situation, police now involved and I am not going to post that on here..anybody who wants to know can PM. He is clearly in the midst of a massive mental breakdown. This really is the short version as I am so tired and stressed and perhaps Lavender can add if I have missed anything important as she has been my lifeline recently. We are due back at mediation next Monday...failed disclosure, accounts missed out, he is not going to want to do that...or go to court. It is a massive feckin' mess and I don't know where to go from here...sorry this is so long! :-( x

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MrsC1969HJ · 25/05/2014 23:00

But on a positive note, I have had an amazing "six degrees of separation" moment. OW's cousin is my cousin's cleaning/ironing lady. My cousin paid for my divorce and is on the warpath, she is a lawyer. Neither of them live anywhere near me, it is just an amazing and unexpected coincidence and all found out from Arsenal winning the FA Cup. Oh dear ;-) x

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springydaffs · 26/05/2014 00:14

I'm sorry it's tough to find all that out, Mrs Sad

Was devastated. Told him.

I was so devastated, told him

Confronted with all of this he has gone defensive

I have been threatened with "harassment"

See the link?

I don't know why you're talking to him, engaging with him, acting as though you still have a relationship. It's over, lovely, and haranguing him about his behaviour makes you look like the mad stalkery ex.

I doubt you'll listen though

handfulofcottonbuds · 26/05/2014 00:22

I know it's terribly hard when you have a DS together and trust me, I know how hard it is when that full disclosure comes through - it broke my heart to find out how much my stbxh was spending on OW and that it had been going on longer than I thought.

But - it doesn't matter!! You can't change it and so what if he lied to you in October, he's been lying all the way through.

Treat the next stage as a business project, try not to focus on OW. Yes, it is disgusting what has happened and who knows how her frame of mind is - it doesn't matter!

What does matter is you and your lovely DS. Forget them, forget the walks in the woods and the place where you found out about his betrayal. Don't try and understand it - you never will. This will destroy you if you continue like this.

He is not your concern anymore, I'm sorry to be harsh but you seem so lovely and I feel your pain and it will break you xx

nespressofan · 26/05/2014 00:25

She is lovely handful - we have spoken on phone a couple of times and is helping me go through similar crap. I only wish Mrs C lived nearer, I really do.

handfulofcottonbuds · 26/05/2014 00:27

I know she is, I posted very early on on her thread but then sadly had my own stuff to deal with. That's why I really want her to look after herself, she comes across as such a lovely person and has posted on my thread too.

I'm so glad you have helped each other - MN is great x

nespressofan · 26/05/2014 00:29

It is.

handfulofcottonbuds · 26/05/2014 00:31

mrsc - I'm sorry if my post came across as harsh, you know I don't mean it that way Thanks

AcrossthePond55 · 26/05/2014 00:34

Oh God, MrsC, how devastating to know all he did. BUT knowledge is power. Use that knowledge to continue to break the chains that bind you. Every time you even contemplate speaking, texting, whatever-ing him remember and disengage. Money spent is gone. What he did before is over. Not in the sense of 'fuhgeddabouddit', but in the sense of living for now and for the future and to avoid that bitterness that can eat into you. You are safe, your DCs are safe with you. You have a roof over your head and the knowledge that you have behaved with dignity and your past behaviour isn't anything to be ashamed of. He can't say that. He's living at the beck and call of OW, dependent on her charity. He has behaved in an appalling manner & is secretly ashamed of himself (that's why he treats you that way now).

Do you really have to go to mediation? If so, I would do my best to NOT address him directly. Speak to the mediator. Address any comments/questions to him/her. Even to the point of that old standby "Would you ask my ex-husband why such-and-so" rather than asking him yourself. I'm sure you can alert the mediator ahead of time that you are doing it, not to be difficult, but because he has made things so difficult for you. Let him go off on him/her. I would also ask to be escorted to my car afterwards so he could not approach me.

This is just 'another brick in the wall'. The wall you're building around that lovely life you & DCs will enjoy for years to come.

springydaffs · 26/05/2014 00:38

Handful is right though, Mrs (and she knows what she's talking about). You are lovely and you're throwing it away on this/him. All this hanging on is putting off the inevitable, which is facing that he is a c**t. Not nervous breakdown, no. A vile shit of the worst kind. The sooner you make that break the better for you, your peace of mind, your children xx

FunnyFoot · 26/05/2014 02:32

Hello MrsC

I have just spent the last hour reading your thread with tears and disbelief.

I think you are an amazing person and mother. How you are still keeping this together is???? God only knows where you get your strength but by heck you got some super hero shit right there Grin.

He has been on a losing streak since the day he started the affair however you are on the up.

I know times will be hard and at points you will want to crumble but you can and will keep going. You are one of life's fighters and it will take a lot more than this vile pair to bring you down.

Also to those that support MrsC you are all brilliant and offer so much of yourselves it brings back my faith in humanity Thanks

I will continue to read your thread MrsC as I know your happy ending is just around the corner xxx

captainmummy · 26/05/2014 08:48

Mrs he is a complete and utter bastard , and you know this. He spent ££££on her? Even more of a bastard. You know this.
But soon, soon he will be out of your life, as far as possible- certainly out of your finances! Push that divorce as quickly as it will go!
And def stop expecting him to explain himself!
Hope you have a good bank holiday Monday ( in spite of bank holiday Monday weather)

MrsC1969HJ · 26/05/2014 08:50

Funnyfoot, thank you so much for taking the time to read...bless you, I don't quite know how I have carried on to be honest, this has been a test of epic proportions...and I do hope you're right, I need a bit of happiness right now! :-)

Handful and Springy, oh you're so right, both of you, nobody sounds harsh at all, I was expecting to be reminded of how I need to be and it is my own fault for allowing my emotions to overtake me again. I think it is just the sheer disbelief, still, I literally cannot fathom it at all. He is so vile aswell, "still going on about it after 7 months", "grow up and move on", so on and so forth. What a shit. I do know his reactions are because he know's how badly he has behaved and feels guilty hence it's easier to be at loggerheads isn't it? I am not wasting any more on it.

Across, thank you for your lovely post, I know you are right and always have wise words. I am going to do one more mediation but it is going to be "shuttle" ie : in separate rooms, after that it will be court. I still can't get over that OW took my H to her in-laws home. What a disgusting creature she is. They clearly have no moral compass whatsoever, who would do such a thing?

So we will see what this week brings...it's not going to be pretty, that's for sure :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 26/05/2014 08:57

Morning Captain...he spent thousands all the while leaving the kids and I with nothing. What really gets me is that OW KNEW he had left us on the "social" yet she allowed him to spend all that money that wasn't directed where it should have been. The eating out bills were massive and they were clearly entertaining others...I wonder if they knew he'd left his on-spectrum son in such disadvantaged position while he was busy showing everybody what a great and generous guy he is!! I have to say, the spending up to recently tailed off considerably as did the meals out and flowers...but God knows what's on the rest of the cards he hasn't disclosed. He makes me sick. I really need the divorce now, but he is saying "he's not bothered about it"...fucking cheek after all this...not bothered when it suits him but couldn't raise a petition quick enough when he left! Oh he won't explain himself, he can't even look at me. I just want my life back and him out of it...:-(

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captainmummy · 26/05/2014 09:12

Oh yes, he is feeling guilty as hell, and that will make his behaviour even worse towards you! Be prepared for that.
And what a piece of work she is -buries one husband, steals another, acts vile to everyone involved in that so that she can get what she wants! Honestly, they are both so full of poison, they deserve each other. They will never be as happy, contented, well liked, well thought of, as you, mrsc.
Please protect yourself from him, I get the feeling you are thinking it can be all amicable and friendly with him. No more texting, asking for explanations, walking in the park... He is the enemy! Go to war! It's not easy for a nice person , to watch someone else being so vile without trying to help him, but you can't. And shouldn't.

MrsC1969HJ · 26/05/2014 09:22

Oh I know you're right Captain, and yes I suppose I did think that things could be amicable, I was prepared to at least try. It's interesting that every time we have made a slight bit of progress, it's back to square one within 24 hours and I think it's her, she can't stand us having any contact. That's fine, but I am concerned about impact on DS who is getting more and more distressed at the absence of his father...what that little boy did to deserve such an inadequate piece of crap as a father is beyond me. I can't' see how we can co-parent a special needs child under these circumstances but I will just have to get on with it. It's a bloody nightmare, it really is :-(

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springydaffs · 26/05/2014 10:15

Do you need to co-parent? I'm not sure it would be in the best interests of your son tbh. Shitface is, anyway, after full custody and I doubt he'll give that up; will continue to cause endless trouble over the years... It's unbearable to think of this continuing endlessly but I think it will Sad

To that end, Handful is right, it will drive you mad trying to work him out. Best to turn away lock, stock xx

LBZT · 26/05/2014 10:22

Mrsc I am very sorry that you have had a bad week. For your own sanity you are really going to have to detach. There is no point demanding explantions if anything he doesn't owe you one (sorry lovely). You have to let him go, that's really what will be the thing that will bring healing to you.

Because internally you are still holding out for him his actions cause you pain. The only way for you to get through this is detach let him go then when you find out all these things will no longer have the power to hurt you.

You need to go NC, everything needs to go through your solictor. You need to think about YOU just YOU focus on what YOU want, what YOU want to achieve. Please start making plans just for you don't factor him or his actions or his words into anything.

Now I am going to say something that will be against everything that you or others will believe in. You need to forgive him for his actions the pain he has caused you and your kids.
I know that it sounds mad but you are going to end up being eaten alive by those negative emotions. You don't have to feel it you just have to choose that you will forgive and keep reminding yourself everytime you hear or see from him I FORGIVE YOU.

I know what I am talking about here my ex was emotionally and sexually abusive. I was broken by the end completely broken. He raped me so many times I can't even give you the figure at times it was daily and I can't even begin to describe the emotional abuse it was relentless.
My mum told me after I split and it all came out that the only way forward for me was to forgive him, as you imagine I screamed and shouted at her that she didn't understand etc etc. She kept on at me about choosing to forgive so after a while I did and I did not feel it at the time AT ALL!!! But by choosing to forgive I choose to let go and that was the start of my healing. It works it grates on you to start with but then you start to see that this is for your benefit not his. I now no longer have the nightmares the waking up panicking the fear, it took years but I am free. I have a very normal loving sexual relationship with my DH in fact it's so normal it's open challenging and fun not restricted at all. This has came all from me choosing to forgive. I won't lie sometimes it feels like really hard work just to be (normal) but I have to do it if I am going to be the woman I was always meant to be and not let him (ex) take that from me.

Sorry long essay but you can do this it will be hard to start with but as you forgive and let go you will find that you start to move forward and he will no longer have the power to hurt you. You will be the woman that you are meant to be not the woman that he tried to steal everything from and destroy, don't give him that power over you.

MrsC1969HJ · 26/05/2014 11:12

Springy, well to an extent I guess. He has now fully involved himself in son's assessments and gets the same information as I do with regards to that. My aim was to not have this awful anxiety build up and atmosphere at contact handovers as I feel it is so negative for DS, but that appears to be unavoidable doesn't it? He won't get custody and I don't think he will even try now, he has too much going against him, but that remains to be seen. You're right of course, and that is what I am going to aim to get back to...this has been too big a set back.

LBZT my goodness lovely, you've been through an ordeal, I had no idea, I am so sorry. It is amazing all the progress you have made and I am so glad you have found peace and happiness. Actually, I agree with you totally, forgiveness was something I was taught to do growing up, I will be able to do that at some point but I am not sure I can do it now. I will never be able to forgive OW, she has done too much and is just the pits. Twisted and malevolent beyond belief. I know that there is no going back for H and I but it is hard to let go of 14 years of what was essentially a happy marriage and is it difficult to fathom the person he has become, I don't recognise him at all, that is so hard. I know I need to take control of my own life and the kids welfare, that is always forefront in my mind. I will do my best to do as you advise and further, detach as best I can. Thank you :-) xx

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handfulofcottonbuds · 26/05/2014 11:52

It never ceases to amaze how such wonderful people on here take the time to offer so much support to someone who is going through this pain. LBZT - you have been through such a horrendous experience and you have been a great support to MrsC and I know springy has too.

Sadly, a lot of us have been through awful experiences and we pass on what we have learnt to others in the hope it will help them. I never thought I'd be an 'expert' on spotting affairs or knowing coping mechanisms for the fall out.

MrsC, I actually agree with LBZT. I have been through a range of emotions but the best one I have, where I am now is that I don't feel anything for my stbxh and certainly don't for the OW!!

I received my Decree Nisi a week ago and I felt sad, that's all. I remember some of the good times but less frequently now. I don't hate him, I don't love him, I don't really have any feelings for him. He no longer consumes my thoughts. I no longer crave to know whether his 'new relationship' will last - it doesn't matter. That's not my life anymore, my life is what I make it for me and my DS.

I'm sorry to go off on a tangent but I want you to get to a different place in your mind. You are strong, you have coped tremendously, you are nearly there lovely xx

MrsC1969HJ · 26/05/2014 13:26

Oh I agree handful, I don't know what I would have done had I not taken the step of posting on here...it has been my lifeline. I hope that I can contribute to others in this situation as time goes on.

I am sure in the fullness of time I will feel a whole lot better, I don't have that acute agonising pain every time I think of him anymore. I just feel sorry for him a lot of the time and incredulous at his behaviour. I think I still have a lot of grieving to do, it still feels like such early days. I have had my decree nisi for two months now but really need to get the absolute, but can't until all the finances are sorted, which he is making so difficult, so it goes on and on. I need a bit of line drawing and I hope I will find it soon. Then they can look at eachother can't they? Pair of narcissistic nutjobs :-( x

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springydaffs · 26/05/2014 13:45

I agree about the forgiveness, too. Mind you, 'forgiveness' is such a loaded word and I personally don't think it necessarily has to do with feelings eg feeling warm, or 'forgiving'. It's essentially a decision to let go - into the ether, whatever. If you have a faith it certainly helps to let it go, release it, to God. I like to think of two boats tied together careering down a river, and making the decision to cut the rope that binds them together, letting the other boat, him, bob off down the river without me hopefully heading for rapids and I can then go at my own pace, not attached to it/him/them. (I know that the rapids bit doesn't tally with a general understanding of 'forgiveness' but imo that is exactly the point, imo we can make the decision to forgive [let go] but the feelings don't necessarily follow suit for a while. They do eventually ime and I keep an eye on the vengeful thoughts so they don't overwhelm me again and I'm back where I started, tied to the other boat.)

Scuse sermon. I do feel quite strongly about this because it's us who get mashed up by not forgiving, not the person who has wronged us. It's got to be at the right time, though; imo it is a process, but with a specific aim to get that point where I can let go.

Hope you're ok today, lovely. Thinking of you xx

AcrossthePond55 · 26/05/2014 13:53

I think it's hard to grieve when you keep getting those shocks that make you angry. Eventually I think you'll get to the place where nothing he does will surprise you anymore. Then you'll be able to grieve (not him!) but the loss of the marriage.

I know when BFF divorced her loser, she reached that point long before I did with him. We laugh about it now. He'd pull some stunt, I'd rant & rave on her behalf about what an arse he was and she would be the one calming me down!

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