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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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pointythings · 14/05/2014 22:40

I think stepping away from it all emotionally and trying to be positive is a good thing - but only if your positivity is grounded in realism. So if you end up having to do family therapy, fine - but don't go in there expecting him to suddenly see the error of his ways. See it instead as another opportunity for him to prove to the professionals what a twat he is. If you get anything positive out of it, that's gravy.

I'm glad your solicitor has got her act together, the financial wishlist sounds like a good idea - but again, be prepared for tantrums fro him.

It sounds to me as if you are managing to disengage from him emotionally, which can only be a good thing. It gives him less power to hurt you, and that is going to give you extra strength to do right by your DS.

I sincerely hope that when all this is over and the dust has settled, you will still come here to advise the people who are where you are now, because you will be a priceless source of support.

captainmummy · 15/05/2014 08:29

You are being 'advised' to attend 'family counselling'? Hmm Personally I don't understand this new thing of 'mediation' (between couples who have already decided they are splitting up and have nothing more to say to each other!) and 'family counselling' - what will they hope to achieve? I suppose if OW will not allow Ex to attend anyway Grin then go along with it - as it looks good on you. But even if he does attend, I wuold not get my hope up for any insights or common ground. I'd be more concerned with how it will afffect your mental health in the days/week beforehand.
I hope your financial wishlist has a few things on there for him to throw out (purposefully) as it's unlikely he will agree to the lot, just on principle. Add on something like 'pay towards annual holiday for ds' or 'swimming/piano lessons to be paid by ex' just so he can feel big by rejecting them!(and agreeing to the rest!)
Glad the visit with DS and ex went well - if he can manage to stay one-to-one, that is a big hurdle. And shows that his blustering about contact with OW was really not worth it.

MrsC1969HJ · 15/05/2014 09:30

Pointy...Oh goodness of course I will...I think that might be a while yet and I do try and post helpfully where I can. It does make you empathise so much more when you're going through it yourself. Indeed, I don't expect anything from H, he really is on his own highway and I don't think there will be any turning off from that but I will make sure that I can be seen to have done the right thing by everybody, especially kids, because there really is no other way. Somebody has to play the "adult" here don't they? Other than that, the legal system will have to do its' thing I think!

Captain...Indeed that's the idea. I think the point of mediation is to try and keep cases out of the courts, they expect you to do it. That is a very different forum from a counselling type situation. Mediation is supposed to allow you to sit and thrash out an agreement in relation to finances/kids. I have come across very few cases where it has actually worked and those I know who have done it, including me, it has been an epic fail. The idea of family counselling is a specialist service with somebody who will actively encourage discussion and ask questions (unlike a mediation situation) and is designed to help you through a messy divorce with children involved. H will very unlikely agree to it, hasn't yet, and I agree OW will not want this at all. I think I can handle it, plus I am having separate counselling on my own so that has made me a lot stronger. I think unlikely to happen anyway, but again, I can be seen to have tried to do the right thing when this comes to court which it undoubtedly will. That's a good idea re : settlement, I will think of things to chuck in!! I am not sure how long this contact arrangement will work but in the meantime it's all about documenting everything about DS and making sure he is on an even keel :-).

Found out yesterday that OW has employed a business consultant...oh dear..things not going too well? I know many who have stopped using her services...but you reap what you sow don't you?

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MrsC1969HJ · 15/05/2014 23:31

SO TONIGHT MY HUSBAND AND I HAD A WALK IN THE PARK....more to follow....!

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ILoveCoreyHaim · 15/05/2014 23:39

Is it wise to post this, there is a lot of info on this thread so someone who knows you, him or ow could be reading this and identify you or your friend

Will be speaking to SW friend tonight about what advice she can give me from her "insider" which I hope she has managed to get today, obviously on an "off the record" basis but she has been great and very helpful thus far.

DocMcStuffinsBigBookOfOuches · 16/05/2014 10:43

You ok this morning MrsC?

growingolddicustingly · 16/05/2014 19:53

Hope all is OK with you MrsC.

MrsC1969HJ · 16/05/2014 22:25

Hi everybody, sorry for such a late response, you must wonder what the hell is going on....! Firstly "ILoveCoreyHaim", thank you for your post, indeed I guess it could be identified, we have discussed this a lot, but I don't feel troubled by that to be honest. It's a diary of the worst experience of my life and frankly if anybody reads it and identifies, then they will know the truth, not the hashed up version of events that others give. Re : SW friend, according to her they have a lot of "what if" conversations with colleagues...no names, no mentions, all hypothetical, she doesn't work/live near me so I am fine with that.

So, had an unexpected chain of events the last few days. After an approach about family therapy I got quite a strange email from H, started off all full of bravado and anger and then kind of degenerated into a bit of a pitiful missive really...but the main thing for me was taking responsibility for what he has done, for the first time ever, we then we had a short text exchange and arranged to meet, a bit of an unexpected and surprising turn of events for me and all a bit last minute to be honest at 8.30 last night. Weirdly, I am exceptionally anxious with any sort of contact but didn't feel it at all, so I turned up and we had a long walk around this lovely beauty spot, ironically sitting down at the spot where I received the "mistake" text message saying "you are my life" all those months ago. Appears not very happy, threw arms out and said he'd lost everyone and everything, accepted that DS is indeed on the spectrum and agreed that he had seen everything I had notified the HV team of..admitted having a hard time admitting it! Looked dreadful, gave me a chance to have a rant about a lot of things which he listened to and frankly couldn't answer as he knew I was right. I have to say that I think he was recording the conversation and I did ask him, he was holding phone weirdly, he said he wasn't but actually I don't care because it was a finally sensible conversation and he totally showed his vulnerability and I hope I didn't (until a bit later), apologised for what he had done, there was a lot to be honest. I did say that he needed to realise that he was plugging a gap for OW, he knew it was too soon and he kind of recoiled a bit...hit a nerve definitely. We touched on finances but I said we would have to go through the right channels for that...admitted she got a large payout and a pension but debts had been significant and pension doesn't cover mortgage. That obviously remains to be seen. Did nothing but stare at the ground when I said that it was wrong that he was living with a bereaved child, that I had struggled enough in my 30's when my Mum died and my Dad remarried five years later, how must that child feel at 7 years old? Silence. I asked him to stop telling people that he was already separated when they got together, that he should have the courage to tell the truth rather than make me look a twat. It was quite a long conversation about a lot of things but I came away feeling a lot better to be honest. I don't trust him as far as I can throw him, I really don't, but I know him well enough to see that he is not in a good place, is clearly suffering with depression and needs some help, which he did acknowledge. He gave me a cuddle and kissed my head, that was weird and also lovely to be honest. So, what did I get out of this? I said a lot of things I needed to say, I hope that we can be civil on the doorstep, I hope that he will seek some help and I hope that he will be supportive of DS. Oh and I asked about how much contact DS has with OW and he said that it is the odd 10 mins here and there, she works on contact days, sometimes there is a brief crossover but she stays out of the way. He actually said to me that he has never ever told DS not to say anything and said that it was actually my fault he was whispering her name and saying sorry, he said you probably talk about her a lot (I do) and DS picked up on it. I am not sure about that to be honest, I am careful about what I say in front of DS. He assured me that he will keep contact for a minimum for the time being and agreed it was best that his time with DS was one to one given the situation. There was probably a lot more but I am glad we did that, even though we still have a lot of issues to work through via legals and via DS's statementing. Do you all think I am absolutely mad? It was unexpected and I just went with the flow. Have not dropped guard at all, I know that he is untrustworthy but it has taken a lot of anxiety away from me. That is a good thing for me at least! Look forward to comments from my warriors!! :-) xxxx

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MrsC1969HJ · 16/05/2014 22:40

He also said he would make sure that DS knew that OW's parents had names and were not to be called "Grandma and Granddad", they are apparently very kind to my DS and stay away as much as possible, I can believe that as my own brother, who knows them, said they are very decent people...that may be true but their daughter is an overindulged only child and they have been given a truly fabricated version of events...something that H virtually admitted when put to him. They must have twigged though, surely?!

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growingolddicustingly · 16/05/2014 23:15

It is lovely to read how "upbeat" you sound MrsC so I don't think you are mad!

I do worry for you though about the possibility of him recording the conversation. I don't know if it is just that I have watched too many spy films and I don't know how possible it actually is, but I worry about him splicing the tape to take things out of context. You are very aware that you can't trust him as far as you can throw him. Like I say, I may be totally out of order.

Just be careful my lovely - he is a tricky bugger.

MrsC1969HJ · 16/05/2014 23:25

Growingold..not sure about upbeat my lovely, but feeling a tad less stressed for once! It's kind of nice to see a bit of vulnerability. I guess he could do all sorts, he really could, will remain to be seen. To be honest if he tries to pull a stunt like that then it is not only desperate but a bit pathetic really...he would have struggled to have found anything that wasn't honest. What was interesting was he was so itchy after an hour or so, I am not sure whether OW knew he was meeting me..or thought he was just going to the pub but he clearly needed to go. Will be interesting to see where this heads now...!

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Cenicienta · 16/05/2014 23:41

Sometimes when a relationship breaks down, the main stress for the person who was "left" is a result of them not being in control of the situation, everything is being done to them.

Sounds like after the conversation you feel you have some of that control back, so that will surely reduce your stress.

But you're right to keep your guard up and stay emotionally detatched from him, because you know that at any moment he could switch back and if you're not expecting it you're going to feel the blow all over again.

MrsC1969HJ · 16/05/2014 23:54

Yes Cenicienta you've hit the nail on the head there...yes I do feel a bit like that, only because I know my H like the back of my hand, but also know when he's lying through his teeth...hence being guarded. He could well switch back, and probably will, but it won't be from anything I do...he can dig his own grave!

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Aoifebelle · 17/05/2014 00:30

I have been following your thread MrsC. I would encourage you to keep your guard up. I have been supporting my sister through a nasty divorce. Her h left for a younger version. Left her with no means of support, told lots of lies to her and others, continually puts the kids in the middle. That said on at least two occassions he came to her, seemingly in genuine distress,upset and unhappy and professing sorrow for the havoc he had unleashed. This may at the time have been true and not been blatant manipulation. But it was only ever fleeting. When he felt better he reverted to type, and fucks her over every chance he gets. I think the remorse was more about self pity than sorrow and regret, and men like this are easily appeased, the easier their life is the less regret they have.

If the ow was a bed of roses, do you think this walk around the park would have happened? Is he professing sorrow because he has made himself miserable, or because he genuinely recognises the damage has has done to you and your children?

AcrossthePond55 · 17/05/2014 03:41

I'm glad you were able to speak your piece to him. But as far as him having seen the light, just remember that you may sponge the spots off a leopard, but he remains a leopard just the same!

LBZT · 17/05/2014 12:50

I'm also glad you got to have your say, but I do wonder if things between him and her are a bit rough. He was feeling bad with her asked to see you to make himself feel better about himself and then went back to her feeling better. He hasn't had a moment of understanding his actions, he was just trying to make himself feel better and used you..........sorry I sound cynical but after everything I don't see what other conclusions can be drawn.

MrsC1969HJ · 17/05/2014 21:50

Evening ladies! Hope all well!

Aoifebelle...thank you for posting and was interesting to hear your sisters' story, bless her, I hope she's OK, what a nightmare. I agree it's all self pity, without a doubt, but it gave me a platform to say stuff I needed to...I think he does know what he's done, but struggles to deal with it. No, I definitely do not think it's a bed of roses...he was far less defensive of her than I thought he would be and I did lay into him. He really only said that I "really insulted her" when I said I felt bereaved...apparently I am not allowed to feel like that. Funny coming from somebody who moved a bloke in after 6 months...!

Across...I like that...here we say "a leopard never changes its' spots"...much the same and yep, you're right, I am not a pushover! :-)

LBZT..thank you for posting my darling, I am not sure he was looking for comfort from me, I am actually not sure what he was looking for to be honest, but it made me feel better. I don't think he's in a happy place and I am glad. Sorry, I know that's awful, but that's how I feel!

So, today he cancelled access as he had a migraine. This is not unusual in terms of the migraine, he has a really awful affliction in that way and text me at 9.30 to say he couldn't drive etc. Turned up at 4.30 to take son out for tea, told me I was "wasting away", I told him that he needed to get a new doctor and that he had never looked so ill, old and awful, to which he didn't respond. I feel like I have some power back, no anxiety today at all. However, the mediator has emailed us both to say open financial statement will be with us both on Monday...so that will probably ruin this "calm"....I hope not, I am quite liking feeling a bit in control at the moment, even if I am not. It's 7 months today since he left :-( x

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DickCrack · 20/05/2014 00:26

Hi MrsC - how are you doing? I've been away doing my DIY (!!! Gardening this weekend, put a solid 18 hours in, it looks lovely) but just caught up on developments. As you know I've also had the joy of ex professing to be devastated with events, wanting to come back etc. none of his regrets have prompted any action though. I think pp's are right, it's guilt and wanting to feel better speaking. I also think my ex freaks when he sees I am coping and stirs it up again. I may be wrong but I think I detect some ongoing feelings on your part for your ex? That's normal I'm sure but font let him exploit them. Remember it could never go back to how it was as what he's done will always be there. Take care xx

pointythings · 20/05/2014 22:21

I am glad you are feeling more powerful in your situation but I second everyone who says keep your guard up. This may be him letting his guard down, realising OW has big time feet of clay - but he has made his bed, and when he realises you are not having him back, he may well turn nasty again.

Aoifebelle · 20/05/2014 22:45

Hey mrsC, I should prob tell you the rest of my sisters story. Her stbxh has put her through the ringer. Four years later he has now shacked up with gf #3, he of course wanted to introduce dc to them all. He has ripped up three mediation agreed settlements, he pays as little as he can get away with and continues to threaten to go for joint custody, despite having a job where he works nights, weekends and can be away for long stretches at a time.

Despite all the shit he has thrown at her, my sister is doing fanfuckintastic. She has rebuilt her career from nothing, now being courted by the best in the business, she has moved in with another single mum and pooled resources with her so the kids can live in a really nice place with a garden.She also managed to quit smoking in the midst of this. I am so proud of her. It tooks years of her wading through his shit to get there, but I can honestly say she is much better off without him. You might not see it right now, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. You just have to trust that if you keep going you will find it.

AcrossthePond55 · 24/05/2014 01:18

MrsC, looks like you may have decided to 'go underground'. Just want to let you know that I'm thinking of you & hoping that all is going well.

Walkacrossthesand · 24/05/2014 07:28

aiofebelle, did your sister post on MN? I vaguely recall a thread a while back where an abusive ex was trying to stop the poster from moving in with a fellow single mum to pool resources - he was doing absolutely everything he could to make her life difficult, while threatening to seek 'custody' etc - there was a toxic MIL in the mix too IIRC. If it's her, I'm so glad she came through!

Aoifebelle · 24/05/2014 08:09

Don't think mn would be her thing. The MIL is not so much toxic as thick as pig shit.

MrsC1969HJ · 25/05/2014 15:53

Hi ladies, I am so sorry for being so quiet! Have had the week from hell, utter shit. I will post a bit later with the whole sorry story...suffice to say we are back to square one and worse...I need wine for this one! x

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AcrossthePond55 · 25/05/2014 16:07

Oh dear, love, so sorry to hear this! Take time to gather your courage & strength. It's always darkest just before the dawn.

I'll have my wine (or stronger) ready to drink with you (metaphorically) when you post.