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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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MrsC1969HJ · 10/05/2014 15:28

Well I guess it's possible Across but I am not sure I am bothered, the support given to me here has saved me over the past few months, I don't know where I'd be without it Smile. If he had any sense he wouldn't have replied at all, but think that's unlikely. It was very factual and I hope just passed to his solicitor. We do have to come to some conclusion with this that serve the best interests of DS, because that is all that is at stake here really isn't it? You are so right that that will have to take priority. The finances will be sorted in the fullness of time via the court process I would guess. However, if he wanted to prevent further revelations and massive legal bills, he'd just settle wouldn't he? Everything becomes a battle. I know for sure that he didn't think any of this through, didn't think that it would come to this, he thought he could just cut me out, walk away, take the money and my DS and start a new life with OW without a backward glance. Very stupid indeed. x

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pointythings · 10/05/2014 17:05

I'm not so sure he has found this thread - if he had, wouldn't he have started behaving more craftily? Instead he has continued being utterly stupid, alienating the professionals working to support his DS, sending twatty emails he must know will be kept - so either he hasn't read the thread or is is so epically thick it's almost beyond imagination.

MrsC1969HJ · 10/05/2014 17:34

Pointy....Erm....Wink x

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AcrossthePond55 · 10/05/2014 19:04

pointy has a point Wink .

It's amazing the number of people who think they can just walk away from their lives, picking & choosing what they want to take with them, and expect to just be wished 'bon voyage' by the people who's lives they've left in ruins. Such monumental ego and callousness is just beyond my ken.

I think his epic ego, abetted by the OW, is still telling him that he deserves everything he wants. But he will learn that there are some people (you, MrsC) who won't just roll over & pee out of fear at his 'magnificence'. Pffft!

AcrossthePond55 · 10/05/2014 19:06

oops; whose, not who's Blush

MrsC1969HJ · 10/05/2014 19:56

Across It amazes me every day the amount of people I am coming across who have done this and your words ring so true. I have a friend who I met during this ordeal when we were at the contact centre together, she was in a 7 year relationship, 7 months married, 18 month old and 17 weeks pregnant when her husband, aged 36 walked out for a 21 yr old he worked with. Never turned up at the birth, didn't see baby for a while, has now only seen kids for 2 hours once a week at a contact centre for the last nine months, leaving her to bring up a toddler and a newborn and has just had the fucking cheek to apply to the court for residency!!! WTF is wrong with these men? My poor friend has been through hell, he has screwed her financially, is just a complete and utter scumbag yet still keeps coming back for more. They went through mediation, the same mediator as the one we have, but that was also a fail. I just despair, the cruelty, the evil behaviour. Why, just why?!

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MrsC1969HJ · 10/05/2014 20:06

I can also say that they really don't have any idea at all of the pain they cause. To my father in law's utter disgust, after weeks of mental torture to the children and I and putting us through unimaginable pain, my husband e-mailed his father with the line "what have I done so wrong in the search of happiness"....!!!!!!!!!! FIL did not respond, was just incredulous at his son. Absolutely blind to the havoc they wreak on just about everybody...

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springydaffs · 10/05/2014 21:32

The guilt you're feeling puts me in mind of Fear Obligation Guilt (FOG), a recognised set of feelings commonly felt when we are in the beam or orbit of someone who is personality-disordered. You have nothing to feel guilty about, yet you feel guilty...

To that end, Susan Forward's book Emotional Blackmail: When the People in Your Life Use Fear, Obligation, and Guilt to Manipulate You may be a good port of call for you.

There is also a longstanding community on here (in relationships I think?) for those who are in emotionally abusive relationships.

I do quake that you don't seem to care that there is a possibility he could have access to this thread, Mrs. You have a good following and could easily move your thread to somewhere that isn't on the main highway. This is a war and you can't risk him knowing your secrets - it's not a case of you're morally in the right, it's a case of a deadly war: he will destroy you and take everything that is important from you if he gets half (quarter, eighth) the chance, yet you don't seem to realise the danger you are putting yourself in by not protecting yourself. It frightens me tbh. Narcs are deadly and will stop at nothing - you wouldn't waggle yourself around in front of a serpent expecting to not get mortally wounded; serpents don't pay any attention to who is morally in the right.

MrsC1969HJ · 10/05/2014 22:19

Springy, thank you so much for that...actually makes me feel better as I don't want anybody, least of all my DS, to be hurt by this any more than he already has been and I actually feel quite sorry for my H because he is such a pathetic and inadequate human being repeating the habits of a lifetime. I will definitely look up threads about emotionally abusive situations as this is one without a doubt.

I take on board your comments about the thread..I really don't think he has seen it, maybe time to request a move, but don't want it deleted after 30 days somewhere else as it is my lifeline and diary of this horrific experience. You're right of course, he will stop at nothing, but on the other hand...has totally revealed himself, as has she, for what they are in black/white, print and text...they are too cowardly to face me so all the shit is there for all to see, written down and with their names firmly at the top. I will look into this, thank you my darling xx

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springydaffs · 10/05/2014 22:59

They don't care about right and wrong. Even if it's staring them in the face, they still won't care. A revelation won't come: oh no! I was wrong! For all the 'right' of your position, they don't care. They want what they want, nothing else comes, or will come, into the picture. They are not operating from a moral compass, have no regard for a moral compass

When a great injustice has been done to us imo we instinctively crave justice, for justice to be upheld, held up for all to see. We can see it! We're here and we get it! But he doesn't - and, crucially, doesn't care to, is not interested to. It's irrelevant to him

His only compass is to destroy you, obliterate you, wipe you out. Sorry that's blunt - it's not you as in you , Mrs; but something that is in his way ie it isn't personal . You represent what is in the way of what he wants, so he will destroy you by any and every means. He will stop at nothing. Nothing is too low - because he doesn't have a moral compass .

So blinded is he by his supposed power, he has no understanding that there are powers that are more important, hold more sway, than him eg the law. Hence why he insists that this thing is entirely between you both and nobody else's business. Standing back to let the PTB (the law) do their thing is in your best interests - because, ultimately, he is more powerful than you BUT he isn't more powerful than the law.

(i don't mean he is morally more powerful than you but that he has bigger guns. Not least because he has no conscience. And no conscience means deadly. He can do stuff that you just couldn't do because you have a conscience.)

springydaffs · 10/05/2014 23:04

Sorry to go on, though

MrsC1969HJ · 10/05/2014 23:18

Oh God you're brilliant Springy...why are you not on TV and everywhere else? Maybe you are...you should be....! You are totally right, they don't care because in their twisted little world it is "all about them"...oh goodness I need to think on this and try and stop the "feeling sorry" thing...he has no moral compass, neither does she, even his parents have said the same thing...and also, this can't be between us now, it's gone past that this past week...I need to sleep on this I think Smile xx

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MrsC1969HJ · 11/05/2014 00:28

I have just checked email account as it was driving me mad not knowing what the response was and he has sent this :

I think the only way forward now is to take this to court to obtain joint custody, I have emailed child protection today with my concerns

So, he has emailed Child Protection, no doubt in his usual illiterate way, before we've even had the referral...and has concerns...HE HAS CONCERNS...WTF?!

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AcrossthePond55 · 11/05/2014 01:33

Ha ha Ha ha ha Ha Ha. Hoo boy, 'his concerns'. Well I guess I should thank the bugger for a good laugh at least.

What a load of bollocks, just another attempt to intimidate you and make you run scared and give in to everything/anything he chooses to throw at you.

Ignore, ignore, ignore.

As far as the discussion of selfish people, I understand that not all marriages work out. I get that. But if someone finds they just don't love their partner anymore, then the right thing to do is to sit them down, explain, and end the marriage in a way that lets the partner keep their pride and dignity intact. There will still be heartache, of course, but not the total devastation that comes from finding that one has been cheated on. It's such a simple thing, explain and exit honourably, then be fair in divorce dealings. Now, why is that so hard for most men to do? Why they don't understand that it will save them a whole lot of trouble, and probably money as well, is beyond me!

Newlywed2013 · 11/05/2014 01:37

He is just trying to get inside your head! Child protection will see you are trying to protect your child and he is the one putting your ds in a vulnerable position by not following health professionals and their recommendations!
Don't let him get inside your head!!

DocMcStuffinsBigBookOfOuches · 11/05/2014 09:27

DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. Every single phone call, text, email, with a note of date, time and contents. Every single contact with either your ex or any professionals involved in your children's welfare (including your daughter).

If he really is going down the route of "having concerns", you need to be able to prove chapter and verse that no only are you doing everything from the children's best interests point of view, but that you have consulted the appropriate professional agencies and are following their advice.

My twat of an ex was oh so plausible with social workers, and I was very naive and believed they would listen to what I told them. Please please please get hold of a diary for the last year and fill it in exclusively with everything relevant to your kids - and I really do mean everything including GP visits, dentists and social events. You need to build a chronological record of everything you have done with the children and for the children.

If he is bluffing, no harm done. If he isn't, you will be one step ahead with the chronological record of events from the day he left up until this time.

MrsC1969HJ · 11/05/2014 09:34

Thanks Across and Newleywed...just beyond belief.

DocMcStuffins....thank you for posting, this has come about because the special needs HV had concerns about the emotional welfare of my DS in relation to my H's behaviour. Everything he has done and said has been written down by him. I was waiting for a referral so it amazes me that he has just "emailed" CPS with his "concerns". Very odd behaviour. Everything he does to try and wipe me out impacts on my kids, everything. Money, car insurance, my son saying inappropriate things. It leaves me incredulous. I have seen my GP, I have done everything I can to ensure my kids are OK especially after a violent incident by my H in front of my DS in January. I have no idea what planet he is on, I really don't. This just goes from bad to worse, it really does.

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DocMcStuffinsBigBookOfOuches · 11/05/2014 09:48

I get it MrsC. My daughter was diagnosed with ASD when she was nine, six years after I left the twat. I'd had concerns about her behaviour from the time she was six weeks old. She ended up with social work involvement when she was twelve, nearly thirteen. My ex categorically refused to believe anything I said about her condition, refused to follow the advice I was being given from behaviour management teams etc, out and out lied about being told she had ASD. He told the social worker he "had no idea" how bad she was as I had kept it from him and denied him access (whole other rant there!)

Social worker had my word against his. And he is a plausible bastard when he wants to be. Eventually things got resolved, but it took a while during which time SW pushed for my daughter to have far more involvement with her dad and step-mum which was not a good thing.

I'm right out the other side of things now; my daughter is almost twenty and lives at home with me still and sees her dad maybe three times a year. You will also get through all this. Stay strong!

MrsC1969HJ · 11/05/2014 09:59

Goodness Doc, that sounds absolutely identical to my situation. My son is 3, his behaviour was picked up at his 30 month check, I consider myself fortunate that we had a fantastic HV who was on the ball as it were. We don't have a formal diagnosis yet and won't for a while yet. My H is in complete denial too, I think they are more concerned about how his affair and leaving me with a special needs child reflects on them rather than how it affects my DS. The things he's done...just beyond belief. It is how it affects both of my children too...even though my DD is his stepdaughter, he has been in her life for 14 years yet he has put her under the most horrific emotional pressure, telling her he was leaving before me, cutting off her mobile phone which was her birthday present, the list is endless. I am not sure how "plausible" my H will be because he really isn't very good at conducting himself in situations like this and is totally out of his depth. He has already been through 5 solicitors. One of them told my own sol that he was a complete nightmare to deal with. I am hoping SS will not push for more involvement with H and the OW, that situation in itself is completely unstable. Thank you so much for your help and reassurance and I am so glad that things have settled for you and your DD is OK. x

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captainmummy · 11/05/2014 13:29

He has 'concerns.? i wonder what those are? Maybe he has concerns that DS is upset that his father has walked out on his mother and is making her life a hell? Maybe it's more to do with the fact that DS is confused by his father's OW, who his father is pushing him to see (and call mum? Did I read that?) Or the violence ds witnessed against his mum?

Not to mention the horrid way he has treated his stepdaughter since. It's all designed to hurt you, rather than them, and it will be seen as such.

But honestly, the more angry emails he sends, the more he blusters and refuses to listen to the professionals, the more he rants, in writing, to you, the better!

IF he has emailed CPS, you will hear about it through the Professionals - HV, SS, sol. Don't worry too much, I'm sure they have his number.
But DocMc (wow that is a long name!) is right -document everything. Absolutely everything. Print off emails. Diarise events, like the car ins, and the dc having to walk. Get proof of everything you can. DONT leave it to the HV or solicitor to do it, they will hopefully be doing it too, but files can and do get lost. Duplication is good thing!

captainmummy · 11/05/2014 13:32

The fact that he has gone through 5 solicitors speaks volumes, MrsC. He obv goes in there, blustering and ranting and fist shaking and not listening, and they obv don't tell him what he wants to hear. That can work in your favour - he is unreasonable and the court will recognise that. I fear that even when it has had a court-adjudication and the contact is set, he will still not abide by it.

MrsC1969HJ · 11/05/2014 21:47

Thanks Captain for posting...I have absolutely no idea, he will probably say I am a cold, emotionless alcoholic or something. He did tell his Mum that he had left because he wanted DS to "live in a house of love"...WTF?! It really grinds on me that he wasn't remotely interested in DS when he was here but is suddenly Dad of the Year now. I dread to think what he's said, I really do. I am building up quite a file of information. The worst thing about this is, I want to get some sort of closure with this, something that is in the best interests of DS and where the intensity of this situation stops. It has to stop. I agree with you though, he will go his own merry way as this has not panned out in the way that he and OW thought. Not in the slightest. Then we have the financial shit to deal with...some people you can mediate with...not him it seems :-/. God what nightmares will I have to deal with this week I wonder?

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pointythings · 11/05/2014 22:13

I understand you want closure, but realistically you are not going to get that until the process of divorcing your H has run its course. It's rough, but you need to get it into your head that he is going to behave like an utter, utter shit the entire way through. Expect the worst. You will probably not have any pleasant surprises.

Meanwhile keep collecting the evidence he is providing you with. He's a bloody rope-to-hang-yourself-with factory, isn't he? Keep it, use it. I don't need to tell you to act with dignity and in the absolute best interests of your DC because you are so clearly doing just that.

And keep posting here, we are all with you.

MrsC1969HJ · 11/05/2014 22:32

No, I know you're right Pointy...who really has to deal with a divorce in this short space of time after a 14 year relationship? To think he filed 3 days after he left and emailed me to say "divorce is shit, but is required". What a bastard. Just like that. I am so glad I got my adultery petition in. What he wanted was to divorce me on the grounds of my "unreasonable behaviour" so that OW wasn't implicated in any way. Little did I know then..! I know this is going to go from bad to worse, I am prepared for that. I have so much stuff to refer to...I keep going back to the email he sent his last solicitor saying "can I cancel the mortgage and default, I don't think it's fair that I am still paying a mortgage for these people"....seriously..you couldn't make it up. Thank you for such amazing ongoing support...I can't tell you how much it means to me x

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AcrossthePond55 · 12/05/2014 01:45

THESE PEOPLE??!!! That's outrageous! What a prize jackass.

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