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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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growingolddicustingly · 08/05/2014 11:15

oops dyed not died (Freudian slip there!)

captainmummy · 08/05/2014 13:56

He is going to have to agree to one or the other, mrsC. Or not see DS at all.

Def ignore his ranting about SS/HV/child protection. He can rant at you but he cannot ignore them. Of course he 'gets it', he just can't understand why these people are ignoring what he wants!

Re the car ins; I'd be so tempted to ask your sol to email him saying that 'if he decides to cancel/not pay anything else that he must give you some notice so that you can minimise the effects on DS.' I'd make sure that it's on file;- The fact that he cancelled without giving you the chance to get your own insurance has caused DS to have to walk to school, disrupted his routine, distressed him. Unnecessarily.

FayeKorgasm · 08/05/2014 15:43

MrsC. I have just read the whole thread. All I can say is how strong you are in the face of such torment. Your DC are fortunate to have a role model like you.

Keep going, it is a tough path, I've been through similar myself, but it will be worth it. Family court judges have seen and heard it all before from cleaver people than your XH. They won't be fooled.

Best of luck!

MrsC1969HJ · 08/05/2014 21:53

Evening all, growingold, yes, I have one of those...a Greensmoke one, I have had one cigarette today which is a miracle. Patches and the odd drag on the electronic seem to be getting me through, the nurse at my GP surgery is brilliant and really supportive so it all helps! Fingers crossed I can stop now...

Captainmummy Yes that's a good idea re : sol. I need to get that down somewhere. I will not know for another fortnight if he has actually reduced the maintenance until the DD goes in...if he does I will just have to wait for court where both incomes will be taken into account.

FayeKorgasm...LOVE the name!!! Thank you for reading this marathon of a thread...I am grateful. I am heartened by the fact you've come through a similar ordeal...how are you now? I do hope that I get the support I need with this...I don't want to stop my DS seeing his dad, not at all, but there has to be some way to halt his behaviour, it can't go on. Thank you for posting!

So nothing new to report today, got email from H this morning saying that he wants me to confirm in writing that I am stopping access on Saturday which will "confuse" DS. I am actually in a quandary about this, I had no intention of stopping contact and just wanted him to abide by agreement and if he was unable to do so I would insist on contact centre. My sol has been very slow off the mark with this and difficult to get hold of and hasn't answered my email regarding child protection. I am not sure what to do, but I know that the answer to that email can't come directly from me, it has to come from her. I am concerned about H's behaviour at the moment BUT I don't want to create an issue between him and DS when things might change significantly once child protection have seen us both. I am mindful to let him have DS on Saturday as long as he sees him alone and agrees to conditions. Any thoughts?

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springydaffs · 08/05/2014 23:12

Well he's not going to see DS alone and he's not going to agree to conditions - that much is certain. You've said the same thing over and over again, he has rode roughshod over it every time.

I get it, this man (I use that term loosely) thinks he is above the law. That'll be fun when he gets it square in the eyes that he is not. He's emailing you thinking this is a little thing between you both (that he will dominate and stamp his foot about; and duck and dive and manipulate, manipulate, manipulate) which doesn't involve anyone else. Ha!

Perhaps, as with any dispute, all usual procedure is suspended during an investigation. Perhaps you could reply 'refer to my solicitor' and get the solicitor when s/he can get his/her finger out to draft a letter to that effect?

It's not a small thing that he cancelled the car insurance suddenly, the car was DS's means of maintaining the routines on which he is dependent for stability. You have asked knobhead repeatedly, over and over, to agree to conditions etc and not only has he ignored any conditions, he has made conditions worse for DS.

Don't say any of that, mind. Just 'refer to solicitor' - or words to that effect. Short as possible.

springydaffs · 08/05/2014 23:14

And call the solicitor every 15 minutes tomorrow.

MrsC1969HJ · 08/05/2014 23:59

Springy you always manage to concentrate my mind. Email was a bit manipulative saying that it would "cause confusion" as he had "promised" DS they would do XYZ and asking me to "confirm you are cancelling" so the onus is on me. Surely his solicitor should be writing to mine...but he sacked her didn't he? Indeed, the car insurance thing was the second time aswell, the first time I did not anticipate the meltdown that DS would have at the change of routine, he knew that because my solicitor included it in a letter so must have known it would happen again. Also, yesterday I found out that my DD has some bone damage as a result of her eating disorder which has meant she has been suffering with severe back, hip and knee pain. H knows that her walk to school is around 40 mins. He knew she'd been unwell because it came up in mediation. He wasn't thinking of the kids at all, just how it would impact me, that was all. That will backfire now I should think. I haven't replied and I am not going to. Have sent sol a reminder email tonight and will ring first thing. I am also pondering on this thing about he will not "authorise" the sale of the house and is keeping the deeds so I "can't move"...I mean really?! What a tit.

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springydaffs · 09/05/2014 00:33

I suspect this will be dragged out, in its way - though I doubt the SS investigation will be dragged out, and that may bump the whole thing along.

I can't help breathing a sigh of relief that his/their poison is not being directed at your personally, literally pumped into your life, mind, heart the way it was when you first started posting. I'm repeating myself, but the poison is now going OUTWARDS, for all to see (yay!), no longer a private little torture chamber with him/them the jailors/torturers, you the tortured. That was just terrible and I'm glad things have moved on - not least because you are not responding, and therefore not feeding their it. Keep deathly silent so he projects his vileness onto a big - public - screen with no interruptions.

yes, he is manipulating you, getting you in a spin, by saying 'confirm you are cancelling'. He can jog on, frankly. He's not your dad.

I'm sorry to hear DD has an eating disorder - that is such a worry Sad

springydaffs · 09/05/2014 00:34

feeding their it?? Hmm

Newlywed2013 · 09/05/2014 00:34

Just thought I would drop a message, I have been following! He sounds like an utter James blunt and it is clear to everyone he does not have ds best interests!
You are doing brilliantly, hope dd is ok, especially now exam season has started!

FayeKorgasm · 09/05/2014 00:43

MrsC I'm fine. My experience was a number of years ago. I rebuilt my life - got my career back on track, bought a lovely home for DS and me and started to breathe again. I'm now very happily married to a wonderful man and the nightmares have long gone.

You will get there. You have made amazing progress. My one bit of advice is that just because someone says something - e.g. They will get you charged with harassment/get full custody of your DC, that doesn't mean it will happen. These type of deluded rantings are just that!

MrsC1969HJ · 09/05/2014 01:05

Springy...LOL, I knew what you meant. Yes indeed I have had nothing from her, not a word, since her liaison officer intervened, only veiled threats from H that she was "building a case of harassment"...that is yet to be revealed but I am sure it will be during all of this. I am not entirely sue how I have harassed her, I know she was particularly upset at the discovery that her best friend's sister in law knows one of my friends very well (?!?!?!?!?!). Really he can only use financial things to pressure me, the car being one less thing now. Resorting to contacting my ex etc was just odd I thought. Yes DD was diagnosed in July last year, same time as DS was referred for assessment and the same time that I think he became involved with OW given how his behaviour was. I really did have it coming from all sides, but the kids are better now, DD is really improving and has put on just shy of a stone going from 6, 10 to 7, 9. Still far too light, she is nearly 5ft 8 tall so a real waif and DS is like a different child (to quote the HV who saw him originally), no coincidence that the improvements have been since he left. I hope SS see that, I really do.

Newlywed Thank you so much for posting, I agree, he wasn't remotely interested in DS when he was here, "this" family didn't suit him so he wants to just slot him into the "current" one...repeating the pattern of a lifetime...what if there's a next and a next...it can't happen. DD is OK, went off the rails for a bit with everything, was particularly affected by him telling her he was leaving four days before he told me and asking if she'd still see him, who does that to a child? She is a high achiever so I am confident she will do really well. Thank you :-).

FayeKorgasm I am so glad to hear that, it gives me hope! Thank you so much for the reassurance, I am so grateful :-)

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AcrossthePond55 · 09/05/2014 01:11

I'd simply reply "I have been advised to refer all communications from you to my solicitor." It's the truth, after all haven't we been advising you to do that? Grin

Clutterbugsmum · 09/05/2014 07:45

God he's an Arse isn't he.

got email from H this morning saying that he wants me to confirm in writing that I am stopping access on Saturday which will "confuse" DS. But being told to lie to his mum about who he sees, and what they do together, or calling complete strangers nan and grandad wouldn't be confusing at all to your DS.

captainmummy · 09/05/2014 08:29

MrsC - get one thing straight. YOU are not cancelling contact. HE either abides by the conditions set out by the HV team for the benefit of DS, or he doesn't see DS. If he doesn't agree to abide by the rules, or to seeing DS in a supervised place, then it is HIM who is causing the contact to be cancelled. He is putting the Onus on you to confirm in writing/email that you are cancelling - you are not.
I get the feeling he thinks there are all these little women (you, HV, Sol) telling him what he can and can't do, that that is not acceptable to him, big MAN that he is.
'Building a case for harassment', contacting your ex (Hmm, cancelling car ins - all flailing about, trying to find something to hurt you with.

GoulashSoup · 09/05/2014 15:25

Hello MrsC, I have read your entire thread and I am usually just a lurker. I am absolutely rooting for you. You seem like a wonderful mother who is fighting hard to secure the best for her children. I think your ex has massively underestimated the instinctive fight in a mother for her children.

I have crawled out of my lurkdom just to coment on the house deeds thing. I think they are all kept electronically by the land registry now, so holding the actual paper deeds doesn't really mean anything. I'm sure he will still find ways of being obstructive regarding the sale of the house, but that piece of power he thinks he holds over you is just one of his many delousions.

www.landregistry.gov.uk/public/faqs/where-are-my-deeds-kept

I also wanted to add that I think you need to give yourself more credit for the way you handled the last mediation session and its outcomes. I know you let rip a bit, and there will always be a post adrenalin emotional come down. But, by the sound of it he came away far more riled than you. And the outcome of going to court but looking like you have been co-operative will be to your advantage in the long run. I don't know if you get transcripts of the mediation sessions, is it something you could request if not?

I will put my pompoms away now and shrink back into lurking but want to wish you all the best.

captainmummy · 09/05/2014 18:51

'lurkdom' lol! Goulash is right, MrsC - I don't think you even get 'Deeds' any more? But you would still need his signature on any transaction. What's he playing at, there?

Matilda74 · 09/05/2014 19:55

I'm sorry but Fucking Hell !!! I have only read you're first post and you have basically just described my husbands behaviour !!!! How long is it since your husband left because I am 18 months on now and when he left I was completely shattered and had no idea of the year ahead I was going to have. However he is the one who looks unhappy now. Me and the kids have recovered slowly and are doing really well. If we wrote a book no one would believe us :0))

MrsC1969HJ · 09/05/2014 22:31

Hi all, well, am actually really pissed off with Sol. Know she's been in court this week but was no help at all to me this morning saying that I needed to send a short and concise email to H stating why contact wasn't going to happen this weekend. I didn't want that to come from me, obviously. I wrestled with it all day and then sent said short concise email at about 5.15 pm after a lot of reassurance and hand holding from Lavender. Had email prior to that from H saying he'd "promised DS we would do this that and the other" and "now you are causing him confusion with your unfair behaviour"...erm. I am so angry that I was put in the position that I had to deal with that, anyway I did it and I then closed my "divorce email account" window and haven't looked to see what he sent back as bound to be awful. I feel guilty and sad. Need to remind myself why we are in this situation and why I am allowing him to have that level of control...feel like I am depriving my son, when actually I know that his father is not doing right by him. So so so difficult. So Across, Clutter and Captain, you are all on the nail with this one.

Goulash, thank so much for posting, I so appreciate it and thank you for the link...very useful indeed. I know that I did my best with mediation even if I used the C word and cried. I certainly did fully disclose, unlike some people...don't shrink or lurk! I love a pompom! Thank you :-) x

Captain...I don't know, weird, he made some comment yesterday about making sure I couldn't move...why? My MIL thinks he wants me in a "box of comfort" where he knows where the kids and I are in our family home...when that tie is severed, he's stuck in somebody else's house, with somebody else's billls and the comfort of "home" will be gone forever. Where he lives is not his home, it is the house of a couple and their child...the husband has died, the child has lost his Dad, that can't be comfortable I wouldn't have thought.

Matilda...nice of you to visit my love. It's been 6 1/2 months for me. Total hell. I hope by 18 months my life will be my own again...fingers crossed. I am indeed going to write a book and am working on a blog. People need to know about these psychos!! :-) x

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captainmummy · 10/05/2014 11:28

MrsC - he left, turned ds life upside down, will not abide by the recommendations of the HV to minimise the effects of ow on ds, yet it's your fault that ds is'confused' about daddy? DO NOT take any of that shit from hi, it's not your doing, or your fault. You are protecting ds from the disturbingness of ex! (Not a word I know!)
Well done on not opening any replying emails, wait until at least the weekend is over. His feelings are not important.
Re the solicitor - is there no one else in the practice who could have sent that email? They are supposed to be working for you! Even if it was just the junior, so long as it comes from the official email address...

captainmummy · 10/05/2014 11:30

Oh and I agree with your mum , it looks like he wants both you and ow where he can have the'thrill'(hmm) of ow and the safety net of you and home.. Is he still paying the mortgage?

MrsC1969HJ · 10/05/2014 11:50

Captain Disturbingness is a great word :-). Yes I was a bit annoyed with the solicitor, I shouldn't have had to do that. I did head it "advice from solicitor", in any event, it would have caused a hate filled response and I still haven't checked account, am scared to!

Re : house, not he is no longer paying the mortgage, it really gets to me, I am getting mortgage interest relief for 2 years so he effectively "gets off" his responsibilities. It's bloody disgusting, it really is. I can't wait to get out of here and he has made it quite clear that he will make it difficult for me to move, however, that won't stop me when the time is right. He can get lost. He's made his bed...!

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pointythings · 10/05/2014 12:23

Can't add anything except second what captainmummy said... It's really awful that he has decided to make your life hell above all else, it seems to have become his calling in life. Meanwhile you, because you are a good and decent person, are still finding his behaviour bewildering at gut level because you are simply unable to behave that way yourself. That is what gives him the power to hurt you - if you were like him, it wouldn't hurt.

However, when you're at the end of all this, you will still be a wonderful human being and a great mother and he will still be a poisonous loser. That is what you have to hang on to, if you possibly can.

The determination shines through all your posts at the moment, keep it up!

MrsC1969HJ · 10/05/2014 13:09

Pointythings Thank you so much for such a lovely post. I will never understand it as long as I live and I STILL feel guilty. I just want what's best for my kids and it isn't this shit is it? :-( xx

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AcrossthePond55 · 10/05/2014 14:27

I'm beginning to wonder if he hasn't discovered our support group. I notice he's started to use some of our 'buzzwords'; causing confusion, routine, refusing contact, etc. But then again, I'm sure those would also be words used commonly regarding what's best for the DCs in these cases. It's obvious that someone (probably OW rather than us) is feeding him the right buzzwords to use to try to make you look bad. You may be sure that they are compiling emails & responses.

Try not to feel that he has 'control' although I understand why it feels that way. He is reacting to you, so that mean the control is actually yours, right? You set the visitation needs (contact centre since he can't be trusted to keep OW away), he chooses NOT to comply. Yes, he may be trying to lead you a merry dance about finances, but you are setting the conditions that will keep your DS safe and happy. And that's the most important area to keep in your hands.

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