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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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handfulofcottonbuds · 21/04/2014 00:36

mrsc - Excuse me if this has already been covered (I'm not in the best frame of mind right now). Why are you going to mediation with him?

I know most courts require it now before a judge will even consider a divorce but he has proven to be manipulative, underhand and verbally abusive. You don't have to go mediation under those circumstances, any judge would agree I'm sure.

I went to one session of mediation and my stbxh was verbally abusive to me, tutted every time I spoke, shouted at me and interrupted me constantly. The mediator was a soft touch and let him do this, leaving it up to me to say I didn't deserve to be treated like that.

All I got out of it was lies, abuse and £200 poorer. We got no further on and as my stbxh had been abusive before he left for OW, I wish I never put myself through it.

I'm sorry to go on about my experience of it but I don't want you to hurt anymore than you do.

MrsC1969HJ · 21/04/2014 10:25

Morning Handful...I hope you're OK? Anything you want to sound off about? Please feel free if it helps at all. I don't know if connected but I find "holidays" and "dates" quite difficult, missing a full family as it were.

We have been told we must go to mediation as it is a requirement of the Court. We have to show we have at least attempted it. From my point of view I get legal aid for this (only this) so will not run up further legal bills. I am going to have to see how the next session goes before making a decision whether to continue. What is a bit odd is that at the last session H said he wouldn't be going back and that all financials should be negotiated through solicitors "at any cost". He's now saying that he can no longer afford legal fees so I don't know whether he was relying on OW and she's pulled the plug or whether something else has happened. Either way, I don't trust the situation! What he doesn't want is for this to end up in Court as I think he will find himself in a whole lot of trouble.

Honestly, I welcome anybody's contribution about their own experiences, it is quite possible mine will go the same way but I will have to wait and see. Next session is 1 May. I have informed by solicitor of this latest development. I feel he is leaving himself very exposed actually, but that remains to be seen.......

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springydaffs · 21/04/2014 11:06

Cotton has a good point, MrsC. Though I'm wondering if you want to get him on his own - with a 'ref' present - to knock some sense into him? He's got this hag twisting him out of all recognition, you perhaps want to remind him of his real life, who he really is, what his commitments are (or were). It's understandable and maybe you still feel you're in with a chance, given his relatively recent and dramatic personality transplant? Perhaps that's a lot of the reason why people go to mediation in situations like this, where the person who left has changed totally, like the flick of a switch. Maybe it's a right of passage, we have to give it one go? It's an expensive go but maybe necessary to cross off the list.

handfulofcottonbuds · 21/04/2014 11:13

I agree, I hadn't seen my ex for 3 months before mediation. I was curious to see what he was like and whether there was a glimmer of the man I had loved - there wasn't. I just got more heartache. The only thing that helped was that he looked a state and I looked fabulous and that's the only thing I clung onto. That was January, I haven't seen him since. He wanted to continue with mediation but I started divorce proceedings straight after.

I know the courts require it but not if your H has acted the way he has been then you have excellent grounds for not pursuing mediation.

Don't put yourself through it if you don't want to. Look after yourself.

MrsC1969HJ · 21/04/2014 11:15

I have to be honest Springy, I really don't want to do it at all. I would love to be able to leave it to solicitors to sort but you are looking at thousands in fees. What worries me in this situation is that he has no "legal" guidance (that I am aware of) and on that basis he will be uncooperative and out of his depth but he will still have to face questions from my solicitor and will also have to explain to the court. I really have no idea where this is going to go, he is not the man I knew, I have no clue as to what he is doing and what he is up to. It's very unsettling, it really is. You'd think he'd want to do the right thing by his family wouldn't you? This whole situation was so completely avoidable, between the two of them they have created an uncontrollable monster and it was all to protect her "reputation" and "business" and so that she wasn't seen to be "moving on" in indecent haste. Vile beyond belief. It will definitely be one off the list...I wish I never had to see him again, I really do.

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MrsC1969HJ · 21/04/2014 11:21

I kind of envy you handful that you don't have to see your H, unfortunately I have to see mine twice a week and will do for bloody ever at this rate. I will go to the first session, see how it pans out and take it from there. I want to be seen to be the one doing the "right thing" and following advice. I know he will get himself twisted into knots like he did last time. I kept very quiet last time, but not now. I have a list of requirements related to son, house, finances...and a list of questions for him to answer. I will also be able to scrutinise his Form E which will be very interesting as I have uncovered a lot of information myself. I suspect he will lie. I suspect they both will, her disclosure especially as she is still maintaining that she got "nothing" when her husband was killed. Utter nonsense. God what a bloody mess....:-(

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springydaffs · 21/04/2014 12:00

There's certainly something to be said for no contact - it gives us space to heal. Can you arrange for someone else to do the handovers Mrs?

I appreciate that there has to be contact of a sort re legal stuff to sort out - which can upset everything all over again, as cotton has found [hug hug] - but to keep it to an absolute minimum would give you the space to breath and get this awful situation out of your head, even for smallish periods of time.

handfulofcottonbuds · 21/04/2014 12:04

In a way, I almost wish I still did see my H. It clears his conscience and helps him justify his actions by having a whole new life and not having to see any of his past. He needs to come to the house at some point but said he won't come while I'm here as he will feel 'uncomfortable'.

I'm not the best to give advice right now but try not to focus on his motives for getting rid of his legal representation. I'm sure it will become clear at some point.

He is playing his cards very close to his chest, you need to do that too. Don't give anything away. Have a cold demeanour, treat it like a confidential work project.

Also, don't expect his Form E to be complete and with accompanying paperwork. My H filled in the minimum and what he did complete looked like he'd written it with his foot. It was a fruitless and pointless process.

Don't focus on what he's doing / not doing. Focus on what you will do lovely Thanks

handfulofcottonbuds · 21/04/2014 12:04

springy xx

MrsC1969HJ · 21/04/2014 12:22

Handful and Springy, thank you. This "coming back" and having to retain contact is DREADFUL for H. He shuffles about, doesn't look at me, can't make eye contact. Gets very uncomfortable around the neighbours, especially next door who gave a statement to the police after the January incident. It's nothing more than he deserves to be honest. He has also still got to clear out his remaining "junk" from the garage and has failed to do that in the last 6 months despite repeated requests. I can't get anybody else to do handovers unfortunately, the timing doesn't work. I can cope with it, it just unsettles me for a bit. I am expecting nothing from Form E, I will just list out everything I know and question him. I wouldn't mind, but this isn't some massive complicated situation but what I can't abide is him leaving us on benefits, swanning off to live in a big house, funded by somebody else, not working, driving round in somebody else's car and living the high life while trying to cut us off in every way possible...but expecting me to bow to his demands about everything else. It is just wrong in every respect. It will all come back to bite him one day, he will have exactly ZERO if this joke of a relationship doesn't work out. By which time, I will be back on my feet I hope.

Handful, I sincerely hope you're OK...please share if it helps :-) xxx

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handfulofcottonbuds · 21/04/2014 12:26

Thank you mrsc - don't want to derail your thread as you're getting lots of good advice on here. I'm posting on my thread x

MrsC1969HJ · 21/04/2014 12:56

No worries my lovely, can you send me a link please, perhaps inbox? Thank you x

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MrsC1969HJ · 21/04/2014 22:21

Handful..am engrossed in thread 3 at the moment, my goodness the similarities are astonishing and I will mention it here..guilt transference. Oh yes, they all do it. Treat you like shit to justify what they've done. It's disgusting. I definitely think the abuse I have received from OW is just a reflection of her own personality.

So, today more texts from H. This time asking to take DS to a show I have already booked tickets for in May. I said I was already taking him but reminded him the last time we went there was for our wedding anniversary where we'd had an amazing time. Yes we did, he responded, followed by "there are only so many times you can refuse" etc. I said I wasn't refusing and that I do these things because I had to now I was being "Mum & Dad". He said "you refuse more access" and then get this "IT WILL COME BACK TO BITE YOU ONE DAY"...WTF?!??!! Bite me?! Is he serious. So I said "you buggered off because you thought somebody else and her kid were more important than your own family and I pick up the pieces of that every day".... to which he said "DD and DS are my children, DD chose not to see me even though I brought her up her entire life. I live the pain of not seeing them every day, a hell you will never understand, a pain I could never explain. I have paid for leaving, don't you worry"....IS HE FOR REAL?!?!?! I just responded with "like the pain I live with every day that will never leave me". He didn't respond. I know that I shouldn't get into these conversations and I did remain calm, but I couldn't not respond to that. He literally doesn't have a clue what he's done to us...or can't see it. They must sit there, the pair of them, justifying what they've done every bloody day!

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AcrossthePond55 · 22/04/2014 02:17

Stop. Step back. He is wording his texts very carefully to make it seem as if you are vindictively refusing him access and trying to turn the children against him! Even your responses might be interpreted in a bad light. 'I do these things because i had to', 'like the pain I live with every day'. We know you are only speaking the truth from your heart, but remember he is fighting just like you are but he won't hesitate to fight dirty by twisting your words. He knows exactly how to get a rise from you. Remember, you must weigh your words very carefully & look at them from every angle.

Remember you must be as neutral as it is possible to be;

"I am sorry you feel that way, but you are wrong"
"That doesn't work for me, we will have to come up with an alternate plan"
"You should have thought of that before you (whatever) but DS and I already have plans"

MrsC1969HJ · 22/04/2014 08:49

AcrossthePond...I think he's just feeling sorry for himself, I perhaps could have worded better, but I really wasn't being vindictive and this ridiculous thing about my DD...he cut off her mobile phone out of spite, left her as she was about to start her most important school year yet, forewarned her of leaving, putting her in the most awful position, outrageous and cruel behaviour towards a child he professes to love. What does he think I do with DS? I have had to do things that I would normally have left to his father, taking me right out of my comfort zone if I am honest, but as I said to H, I have to be Mum & Dad every day. Stupid man he is :-(

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LBZT · 22/04/2014 08:59

MRSC i agree with acrossthepond don't engage you will only trip yourself up your answers can be twisted you are giving to much away, it's to dangerous. I know you want to let rip at him use MN to say here what you want to say to him and always always sit on texts for a few days before answering you then have had a chance to calm down and think. Also you need to consider that the texts were known by ow as you said that she mointers this so she was aware that he contacted you. This is why a considered slow response with no emotion would have been a better way to go.
Also like acrosstheponds neutral answers keep them and use when possible.
Have a good day and enjoy your kids as much as you can today.

MrsC1969HJ · 22/04/2014 09:14

LBZT to be fair, I don't normally, I just couldn't be doing with all of this "poor me" nonsense. How dare he say I have "no idea of the hell he is going through". Fucking prick!! Excuse my language. I thought I kept responses quite calm, I was calm actually, it just annoyed me. It's still all about him and what he wants. He only gets like this during occasions when he should be with his family...you should have seen what it was like at Christmas...

Anyway, on a happier note, one is back at school and the other one wants to go and look at diggers! Ha!

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LBZT · 22/04/2014 09:37

mrsc call him all the names under the sun on here that's what MN is for. Grin

I have 2 back at school today and an afternoon of GCSE revision with the other one, oh what joy, I think I'd prefer diggers!

MrsC1969HJ · 22/04/2014 10:02

Oh you're right LBZT and I will! Selfish, self-absorbed, self-focussing, "it's all about me me me me me me" twat. If he could see what he's done to my kids...which I live with every bloody day. As for her...urgh...

Anyway, back to household chores and diggers :-). Hope you have a good day :-) x

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springydaffs · 22/04/2014 10:02

Mrs, that was major engagement. Don't go there - you know how treacherous he is, you really MUST not engage. If you don't stop doing engaging on this intense level, the hell will gear up again. He is not going to see it, he is not going to get it, he will use you trying to get him to see it/get it to torture you. Step right away and go back to short statements (or nothing at all). Really, your life depends on it.

And - my mantra - if you can't do it for yourself, do it for your kids. You need to be settled for them to be settled - if you waggle a red flag in front of his face he will bite and maul you and you will come off worse because he is deadly.

You insist justice is on your side. Yes, it is, but you can't enforce it between you - or you can but you'll get a beating and you won't get justice. (Justice does its own thing and will show up at some stage, you don't need to be the one to usher it in.)

MrsC1969HJ · 22/04/2014 10:07

Springy, you're right. It was just the pathetic-ness of it all. Poor him. It's always poor him. I do otherwise stick to the mantra. I am just sorting out final paperwork for mediation. Can't wait...:-/

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springydaffs · 22/04/2014 11:29

As difficult as it is, don't bite. EVER. Chew a sheet or scream or punch a pillow AFTER you have spoken to him (incidentally, why were you speaking to him? he will try to speak to you, he will throw bombs in your path with the clear intention to goad you. He knew full well you have been there on your wedding anniversary, it was why he suggested it to see if you would bite).

springydaffs · 22/04/2014 11:34

Sorry, just seen it was texts. In which case you have time to collect yourself. YOu really must, Mrs. Rant on here and to your friends if you need to, but don't take his bait. You don't want to be handing yourself to him on a plate, which is what you are doing if you respond to his manipulations xx

Thumbwitch · 22/04/2014 11:38

Best thing to do is write down the response you would like to send to him, then rip it up/delete it. That way, you kind of feel like you've got it out of your system, but he doesn't ever get to see it.

This will also cause him massive frustration as he's doing it to get a rise out of you - so don't give him the satisfaction.

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