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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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MrsC1969HJ · 22/04/2014 14:10

SimpleSal70...You poor thing, what an ordeal you have been through. You really do need to get some legal advice. It is probably better if you start your own thread about this. I am going to asked MNHQ to move your post for you so you have your own thread where you will get lots of advice that is not mixed up with my situation.

We will all happily follow and post.

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Custardo · 22/04/2014 14:44

ive read all this thread,
terrible situation but can't help wonder why you maintain so much direct contact

if child contact is set and he wants to chage it - refer him to speak with your solicitor not you

really dont understand all the e-mails and texts

AcrossthePond55 · 22/04/2014 16:01

Oh Mrs, don't think I was saying you weren't texting the truth to him. We all know what a putz he is. Just that for now it must be 'softly, softly' since even the truth you speak can be twisted. Plus you don't want him to think for a second that you feel sorry for him.

Springy and Thumb are right. Don't respond right away. Write what you'd LIKE to say on paper & tear it up. And I'll add that 'poor me' texts should go completely unanswered. Respond to direct questions regarding DS. Let the emotional blackmail & taunts alone. Nothing constructive will result and do you REALLY care what he thinks? NO!!

MrsC1969HJ · 22/04/2014 16:29

Custardo and AcrossthePond...he has no legal rep anymore and mine is "on hold" while we go through mediation. I am not paying my legal bills, my brother is, so I use her only when I really have to. I normally only respond when directly about DS. Yesterday's texts just annoyed me, all his "pain", he doesn't know the meaning of the word. To be fair, he wasn't aggressive or rude, it just got my back up as it were. Normal service now resumed...!

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springydaffs · 23/04/2014 00:32

erm not sure anyone can get someone's post moved onto a fresh thread? I think that's up to the poster - simplesal your situation sounds terrible, you poor thing, it sounds like hell (hug). As Mrs suggests, do start a fresh thread and you'll get a lot of direct support on here from the lovely Mumsnetters. Also call Womens Aid 0808 247 2000 (better to call at night because lines are busy during the day, sadly) who will support you to the hilt ie emotionally, legally and practically. They are the experts - in fact three cheers for Womens Aid HIP HIP

The draft section on my phone is regularly full of texts I am never going to send but need to type out to get whatever out of my system I even once drafted a text to God - they make me laugh when I read them through when the storm has passed.

springydaffs · 23/04/2014 00:34

OOPS! - Womens Aid number is 0808 2000 247

tsk should know it off by heart by now

MrsC1969HJ · 23/04/2014 00:41

Springy have reported post and asked for it to be moved...not that I mind at all, it's just better for the OP to have her own thread and not to get tangled up with my shit! Have told her we'll all support x

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MrsC1969HJ · 23/04/2014 00:43

LOL at drafting a text to God Springy...I might try that :-D xx

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captainmummy · 23/04/2014 08:24

Oh MrsC - that did make me laugh! Poor poor dh, he left you and now is heartbroken because he can't see his dc every day. Bit like the guy who murdered his parents then complained that he was an orphan.... Grin

Hope simplesal gets her own thread

MrsC1969HJ · 23/04/2014 09:04

Captainmummy...it just kills you doesn't it?! You literally couldn't make it up.

Got another pitiful email last night about how I "should" think about allowing him "extra access" as it's not "all about me" but only about DS. Apparently we don't have to be "at war" either. I have ignored it, you cannot reason with an imbecile. At war?! Who the fuck does this "man" think he is after what he's done to us? He is also saying how "happy" he is "for once", not to me, to somebody else. How true that is, I don't know, but as far as I can see there is no true happiness to be found in such a deceitful, disloyal "relationship" based on death, lies and misery and attempting to destroy the lives of your wife and children. Bastards.

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LBZT · 23/04/2014 09:50

Glad you ignored the e-mail mrsc, just don't take the bait. Your right there is no true happiness awaiting them but that's not your problem anymore.
This e-mail/text thread he is setting up about you not "allowing reasonable access" is something that you have to be careful with. It looks like he is trying to prove that he is asking and you are saying no, so time to be careful here, have a think and maybe others can suggest some ideas.

MrsC1969HJ · 23/04/2014 10:22

Oh I haven't said no, I have always maintained we will discuss at mediation. I did say no to the May bank holiday thing as we are already going and explained that quite clearly. I will be taking professional advice in relation to access. Personally, I think he is just bored to death, knows that he has screwed up his son's life and thinks he can somehow make it up by seeing him more. He needs to remember that it was HE who requested this access, he specified the times and the days and put it on the Statement of Arrangements that went to court. He chose this, he set it out, is was his decision and there was no discussion with me about it. At the time he was telling me he was moving to Newcastle to cover up moving in with her (7 minutes away from here). You couldn't make it up!!

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WishiwasHenry · 23/04/2014 10:49

Would your son like to see him more?
Is it in his best interests?

I think that's all that matters.

springydaffs · 23/04/2014 11:00

Not as simple as that Henry Hmm

LBZT · 23/04/2014 11:00

Well that's all you can do is remind him that he choose this access and that your primary concern is to keep a routine for DS as his whole world has been turned upside down and you want to inject struture and routine as he adjusts to the changes in his homelife. I would also say that you do not feel at war with him and would no way even consider that as you love your kids too much to add any more emotional turmoil to their precious lives. I would also be tempted to say that you are encouraged that he is interested in maintaning a relationship with DS as you were worried after he cut off DD that he would do the same to ds.
Not sure if you want to say that but i would like that on record myself as it shows that you do have cause for concern that if he can turn on DD whats to stop him turing on DS in the future and causing emotional harm to him.

Again wait and see what others say but you need to send one final e-mail that shows reason and ensures that he can't keep asking for different times etc. Therefore stopping him from showing that you are being unreasonable.

LavenderGreen14 · 23/04/2014 11:03

I would also add the child needs to be kept safe in light of previous dangerous behaviour of the father.

MrsC1969HJ · 23/04/2014 12:55

WishiwasHenry..thank you for your input, my son is 3 years old, he is being assessed for ASD and has been seriously affected by this situation. He is too young to express wishes, I have to make the decisions for him. No, it is not in his best interests at all, there are a lot of background issues and we have had the police and social services involved. Further, my husband lives with an emotionally abusive woman who has already decided that there is "nothing wrong" with my son and I am only having him assessed because I am "attention seeking" and wish to "claim disability". Actually, the assessment was advised by a senior HV at DS's 30 month check. My husband denies that conversation ever took place. The only person doing the right thing for my DS is me!

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MrsC1969HJ · 23/04/2014 12:59

LBZT...thank you my lovely, I will think on it. Mediation can't come soon enough. It needs to be set out. I don't think I am being unreasonable at all. I was speaking with a neighbour this morning who said she can't believe the difference in DS since his father left and remembers how irritated he used to get with DS and shouting at me to "get him in", "take him away", "I'm busy", 10 minute trips to the park, coming back saying DS was "bored"...what nonsense, I can be over there for hours with him and he doesn't sit still! He wouldn't even take DS swimming as he didn't "like" the local pool. The truth is, he couldn't be arsed. Now I have managed to create a calm and routine atmosphere for DS he is a different child to the one left by his father, so it's not such hard work for him now! Breaks my heart, it really does.

Lavendar Don't we know it?! x

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AcrossthePond55 · 23/04/2014 14:51

I see what LBZT is driving at but I still think it would be better to be as brief and unemotional as possible. I'd leave out the 'you chose this' as it may come across 'made your bed, lie in it sucka'. Maybe more along the lines of 'DS has settled himself into this routine with only minor upsets & I'm loath to disrupt it due to the negative affect on his behavior, but I am certainly willing to discuss it at mediation and then discuss it with the professionals who are assessing DS. I am sure we both only want what is best for him'. This says that 1-you are open-minded & not denying access BUT, 2-DS is having some problems adjusting & you don't want to disrupt him further, 3-you both need to be guided by professional opinion as to what is best for DS. All of which is true and being expressed in an unemotional way.

You see, the reason I'm so 'one-note' on this is that I have a cousin (really like a sister to me) who was prone to emotion driven responses during her divorce. It nearly cost her a great deal until she got herself under control. Her X really knew how to push every button she had and her emotional responses, whilst containing nothing but the truth, made her look like a vindictive shrew whilst he came off as 'poor papa' denied his children. Her attorney finally had to insist that any emails & responses be routed through his office.

MrsC1969HJ · 23/04/2014 15:02

Hi Across, I understand what you are saying. I have drafted a response but haven't sent it yet. I will think on it for a while, both of your suggestions absolutely worthwhile and will be included. I have long since given up on emotional emailing. It gets me nowhere and actually the stuff he is uncomfortable with, he just ignores anyway. The table has turned slightly it seems. Indeed, I don't want to look like a vindictive shrew and actually, I'm not and haven't been, even if I've felt like it. Having been accused of being "vindictive" the OW, it is clear she hasn't a clue what she's talking about because if that is how I had been, her feet wouldn't have touched the ground. Dignity above all other!

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AcrossthePond55 · 23/04/2014 15:27

Dignity above all for sure. Maybe all women should take the motto 'Dignitatum Omnium' during a divorce. Feel free to correct my schoolgirl Latin. It's been years!

Thumbwitch · 23/04/2014 22:34

I would also steer clear of the "you chose this" comment but for a different reason - because if he thinks that he got what he chose before, he might think he only has to change his mind about what he wants/chooses and he'll get it again. Don't give him that idea.

lovesmycake · 24/04/2014 07:58

Hi - I have read your thread all the way through. Just wanted to say you sound amazing, so strong and a truly wonderful mother.

Also having read your thread I don't know if you realise it but you are getting stonger the difference in your posts at the beginning and your posts now mrsc I can feel your new strength and control resonating from the screen.

I will go back to being a professional lurker now but wishing you all the best.

MrsC1969HJ · 24/04/2014 08:36

Oh thank you lovesmycake, I am so grateful for such a lovely post! Such support helps SO much. I don't feel very strong, I am probably making progress without realising it, this really has been the toughest experience of my life thus far. I hope that all of us who are going through similar pain will come out the other side at some point. Thanks again, I really appreciate it! Smile

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RedRoses · 24/04/2014 08:52

Are you sure he isn't reading this? He quoted you directly 'bite you in the bum'. Could be chance but...

You need to stop engaging, just calm texts to do with access etc.

I would also be open to him seeing his son more - why not? If you can both be calm about it.

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