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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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MrsC1969HJ · 12/04/2014 22:29

Feeling very tearful tonight. Not sure why, maybe to do with reading a thread about a woman who has just lost her 3 year old DD suddenly. Puts things into perspective and makes you feel a bit ridiculous for grieving over a man who has treated you like shit. That's not real grief. Should be grateful that my DS is tucked up in bed, sleeping peacefully...and I am. I just wish we had a family again. DD out tonight at a sleepover. OW has cut his hair, she's a hairdresser, but she doesn't do it "properly". Need to get a bloody grip. Why should I care about his hair?! He stood on drive today talking to neighbour about his new car, just stuff he used to do normally. Why do these little things get to you so much? When will I feel better, it's nearly half a year yet I still feel like it was yesterday :-(

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springydaffs · 12/04/2014 23:12

erm it's only 6 months! That's no time at all. Love, you hold up the healing if you insist on pushing it through. Grief takes its time - thorough like that - and you can't push it with force of will. And grief it is, even if it is not grief because someone has died. Something very, very important has died (and you've been tortured half to death by a sociopath) so, really, give it time. Have a good cry lovely xx (that was me yesterday, in absolute bits - not sure 'why' (though it's obvious why!) - and it's been 3 years since my terrible loss)

MrsC1969HJ · 12/04/2014 23:32

Springy there are no words to reply to your post. Thinking of you...thank you! xxx

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AcrossthePond55 · 12/04/2014 23:40

springy is right. You have suffered a loss and have a right to grieve. Death is one kind of loss. Divorce is a different kind. Both cause pain, grief, anger, and profound sorrow. While I agree that there can be nothing to equal the loss of a child, the loss of your dreams, family, & future has got to be considered one of life's greatest losses. Especially because you still have to deal with the people who caused it!

Don't be critical of yourself, my love, you are worthy of happiness. Cry your tears when you need to! But always remember that, even now, you have more reasons for joy (your DCs, your health, your lovely family-in-law) than you have for sorrow.

MrsC1969HJ · 13/04/2014 10:39

AcrossthePond55..thank you for your lovely post. I am trying to be positive, I think it's just the ebbs and flows of this situation and I feel so sad that I have lost 6 months of my life that has been filled with nothing but stress, pain and grief and I will never get it back. All due to the utter mindblowing selfishness of those two. I don't think I will ever get my head around that unfortunately.

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AcrossthePond55 · 13/04/2014 14:25

No, I'm sure you won't. But I always comforted myself with the thought that the reason I couldn't get my head round things like that was because I am too good to understand such evil. May sound a bit smug, but it helped.

I remember times that I would just cry & pray that I could just turn my feelings off, even for a bit, to give me a moment's peace. Just 5 minutes of numbness, I used to say! But life doesn't work that way, does it? But eventually I came to see that the times of peace & happiness were starting to outweigh the times of pain & anger. It'll happen for you, too, probably when you least expect it.

springydaffs · 13/04/2014 14:56

It may be small comfort at the moment but you have been initiated into a world that an awful lot of people inhabit: an exquisitely human world of pain and loss and abuse, injustice etc. It does equip one to come alongside people who are suffering, with real understanding of the type of thing they're going through. It's certainly been an enormous help and solice to me when people have come alongside who just know what it's like, don't offer platitudes (or panic and bugger off, unable to cope Hmm ), but are able to just sit with me in the horror. It's also (and you'll probably want to smack me one here) almost a gift to realise we're not in control of everything. It makes for a much more peaceful life in the long run. You'll miss it lovely if you scrabble to get back control - so you've lost 6 months? Nelson Mandela 'lost' 26 years, was it, and look what he went on to do. You just never know what's ahead.

springydaffs · 13/04/2014 15:05

and not only that, you'll find out there isn't an i in solace (

Pimpf · 13/04/2014 20:42

Would you say someone should no longer be upset if their husband died 6 months ago? No. The man you knew as you husband did, it is that you are grieving for, not the man himself. Give yourself time, 6 months is not a long time.

Pimpf · 13/04/2014 20:44

And the hair thing, you know she's done that specifically to wind you up, it would have made me furious, but don't let her know, keep it in your record of where your dick of an ex agreed that he would not introduce her to your son and he clearly has done. Use it against them

LBZT · 13/04/2014 20:57

hello mrsc the hair cut was just done to wind you up, very poor behaviour on her part.. ignore it. Now I am afraid I going to have an immature moment here...once your son returns to school in a couple of weeks he gets head lice, what a pain they are to treat so he ends up with a grade 2 or 3 as the shampoo just wasn't cutting it! Grin I'm sorry I'm no good at rising above things.
I'm sorry to hear you've been feeling down. I hope you've had a better day today. I agree with others 6 months is nothing in the grand scheme of things the good news is you won't always be in this place and your life will move forward, and each day is another step towards being in a better place.

MrsC1969HJ · 13/04/2014 21:47

Hi all, I should just point out, OW has NOT cut my son's hair. If that happened, it would the last thing she did. I would hope she wouldn't dream of doing that, I can assure you that all hell would break loose. No, she cut H's hair, it looks all wrong. Mind you, son will no doubt get nits before long with his lovely mop, my daughter had them terribly for years, despite regular treatments, she seemed to be a nit magnet! Thank you for all your kindness, been a difficult weekend, don't know why particularly, it just has. I know it's early days but the whole process is SO draining. Pimpf...funny you should make the reference to "would somebody tell me not to be upset if husband died six months ago"...well OW's husband did in fact die only six months before I found out about their affair, you'd think she'd be upset wouldn't you? Instead, she took my husband to replace hers. What a shit. :-(. Am actually desperate for counselling on Tuesday morning, I am feeling very sad at the moment. Took son on long walk through the bluebell woods today, he loved it, but so sad looking at all the families. I miss that, a unit, will I ever have that again?! :-(

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handfulofcottonbuds · 13/04/2014 21:58

mrsc - I don't want to add to any worries you have but I would also think that telling MIL a lot may not be a good idea lovely.

She may have cut him off 100% but he is her son and they could reconcile. A mother's love for her son is a strong bond as you know.

I really don't want to worry you, I want you to protect yourself in all ways x

MrsC1969HJ · 13/04/2014 22:07

I hear you handful...my MIL is actually my H's stepmother but has had that role since he was about 4 years old. His biological mother is dead. Honestly, there is not likely to be a reconciliation, they are utterly disgusted. They think that he engineered this whole "split" as he very quickly realised that they would not entertain OW or yet another grandson. They have been through this before, with his two relationships prior to me, got to know children etc and then he just did his cut and run thing and they had to just get on and never see the children again. It hurt them immensely. Obviously over such a long relationship, we have become close, my own mother is dead and my MIL has taken her place in many respects. My H went to see them before Christmas and essentially said "i know you love MrsC but I am with OW now" ie : we didn't matter anymore. They couldn't do that. I produced them their first biological grandchild and their loyalty is with me and the children. At Christmas, my H badgered all of us all day, it was pitiful, long story that I won't go into now, I was with his parents. In the end his Dad sent a text saying "please enjoy your Christmas and let us enjoy ours" and my H jumped on that and sent a text to his father saying "fuck off, don't ever contact me again". He is upset that they haven't just welcomed OW into the family, that will never happen, she will never be welcome and they blame her for a large proportion of this. She even wrote out the family Christmas cards to "Mum & Dad"..WTF?! That went down well...!!!! He has chosen to cut off his family and they don't feel they can support him. I have spoken to my MIL every single day since 18 October when he told me, they come down here regularly (live in the North) and I visit them too. I couldn't have got through this without them. So please don't fret, they are entirely on my side and are willing to statement on my behalf if needs be. I am very very lucky to have them. :-) x

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handfulofcottonbuds · 13/04/2014 22:11

Okay lovely, sending you love and strength x

MrsC1969HJ · 15/04/2014 12:01

Hello all, had third counselling session this morning. It is really helping me to see that I have actually escaped from what was clearly a toxic situation even though I couldn't see it at the time and the realisation that there have probably been a lot of "dalliances" over the years down to his need for constant adoration and attention and the inability to see that "love" comes in all forms, including just being a mum and wife and all that goes with it. She used the word "sociopath", said his cruelty and lack of empathy was nothing short of breathtaking and said that it really was a dreadful pity that he would probably never seek help of any form and will hence just lurch from one relationship to the next being unable to find the "perfection" he is looking for, this situation with OW being the most toxic of all. His biggest issue is the constant having to "come back" to us because of DS, a situation he didn't account for at the beginning of all this when he said "obviously DS will come with me"...!!!! It is really helping me to understand, and I do need to understand, and realise that I don't need this in my life. I deserve better than how I have been treated by him in all ways. My poor son will no doubt suffer because of his father and that frightens me most of all!

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LBZT · 15/04/2014 12:34

hello mrsc I am really glad to hear of the great support you have for yourself and your children.
I guess with the counselling you are on a bit of a journey of discovery, you are very strong to face this and learn from it, many people would run screaming in the other direction.
The charming comment that "obviously DS will come with me" what a plonker no wonder he can't deal with you he just doesn't get it does he, and sadly he may never but rest assured you will always be his mum and as a mum of 3 boys ranging in age from 4-14 I know that a sons love is priceless. It's wonderful how the older they get the more protective they are of "mum". The oldest one now always carries my shopping when we are out. They are all really good at holding doors for me, it's endearing and you will have all this to come. Sons seem to have an ability to make you feel treasured. Lots for you to look forward to, have a blessed day.

Nanny0gg · 15/04/2014 12:57

My poor son will no doubt suffer because of his father and that frightens me most of all!

That isn't necessarily the case but I can understand your concern.

Maybe in the future you could find a child-centred counsellor for your son who will be able to help him make sense of all this.

MrsC1969HJ · 15/04/2014 23:41

Handful, thank you my darling, you too :-).

LBZT...that is lovely to hear about your boys, what a credit they are to you! I am sure that once DS blossoms from a 3 year old fireball, he will be a lovely young man, I hope that I can ensure that happens! I am so glad I started the counselling, she is brilliant and is so full of empathy and understanding. I hope it makes me a better person and a strong Mum for my kids! Thank you for your lovely post :-) x

NannyOgg, indeed I could be wrong, but I see history repeating itself right before my eyes, but obviously being aware of that is to my advantage as I can help him in the right way. For example, since the weekend my son has asked me repeatedly, "do you love my Dad", "do you like my Daddy" or today "why don't you love my Daddy"...it seems to come from nowhere but something is bothering him. It is heartbreaking to hear and today he said it in front of my friends who were quite upset about it. My worry is that my H is telling him that "Mummy doesn't love Daddy anymore" as a reason for him leaving. I really really hope not as that would be the last straw for me I think.

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mistlethrush · 16/04/2014 15:49

MrsC - I have a friend whose brother abandoned his first wife, got his partner pregnant and then abandoned her for another woman when their son was tiny. My friend's parents have a close relationship with the ex partner and her son - she's been to stay, they went to his first birthday party etc - it can work (particularly when the man has been so obviously terribly behaved).

In terms of your son, I would make it clear that 'Daddy decided he loved another woman more than mummy and that made mummy sad' might be a way of explaining it to DS in a way that explains why you don't like him anymore.

hotcrossbabblehag · 16/04/2014 16:50

sorry not read through the whole thread yet, if your son has ASD you can get DLA for him, also depending on what rates you get you will also get higher tax credits and carers allowance, have a good delve into this area, I think you may be surprised at how much extra help you van get financially.

I'll go back to reading this thread now.

hotcrossbabblehag · 16/04/2014 19:32

I have finally read the thread, and can I just say mrsc you are so strong, you might not feel it at times but I would be chewing at the but in your situation, well done for staying so calm. I was thinking in regards to your children could you talk to your sons school about play therapy, explaining your concerns about the mankyoldhag ow being mentioned and him covering his eyes, also ask if he could have an ed phsych involved perhaps if not already, also the same sort of thing in regards to your daughter. The fact that both children have access to therapy due to the damage done by h, may go well in your favour, of course I am no expert, but if I was in your shoes I would think of doing this mainly to make sure my kids were OK and were able to communicate with someone other than me, and eventually to get a bit of one up manship if h ever did try for custody.

MrsC1969HJ · 17/04/2014 11:36

Mistlethrush, thank you for your post, goodness he sounds like a charmer! It is so good to have that sort of support, I don't know what I would have done without my inlaws. H doesn't appreciate the stress that he has put them under and the heartache he has caused them. He expected to just be able to slot OW into their lives and seems surprised that they don't want that. I also know my MIL well enough to know that she would find OW intolerable, even under different circumstances! :-)

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MrsC1969HJ · 17/04/2014 11:42

hotcrossbabblehag...thanks so much for your posts and for taking the time to read through this huge thread! DS is currently undergoing assessment and we have 18 months ahead yet. Funny, I didn't know anything about DLA etc until OW told my H that the "only reason" I was having DS assessed was so I could claim it. What an absolute cow. H has completely "forgotton" DS's 30 month check where the Health Visitor said almost immediately that he should be "statemented". It was all imagined apparently....even though he was sat there with me. Guilt does awful things to your head doesn't it?

I don't feel very strong, everybody says I am, but I find every day an emotional struggle. It's just grieving isn't it? It will pass in time. DS has an "at home" assessment in a couple of weeks, watching him in his normal environment, all of this will be discussed then. DD will return to counselling when she goes back to school next week. I have emailed the counsellor in the light of recent issues. Indeed, H has no idea of the damage he has done, DS is clearly now realising and this contact "why don't you love my daddy", "do you love my dad" is heartbreaking. Today he asked me if I could give his dad a cuddle and he keeps saying "mum and dad" all the time. It's taken him 5 1/2 months to stop asking when his dad is coming home. I have emailed my H about this in as basic terms as possible and he replied "so can I see him longer tomorrow". He literally refuses to acknowledge what he's done and the affect on his son. It's just mind boggling, it really is. Oh well...onwards and upwards...!

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MrsC1969HJ · 17/04/2014 11:44

Sorry, the typo's are coming thick and fast today..."constant" instead of "contact" and "effect" instead of "affect"...!!! Reminder to preview posts! :-)

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