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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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Astonway · 10/04/2014 19:52

All I would add is that time chugs on and it will resolve and pass into your past. It will not be like this for a significant portion of your life but it will make a mark of course.
Keep on trying to stay in the right by not sinking to their level - so your children can see what sort of person you are. emails are poignant but they are also a history that we never had before - and one you can write!
I would urge you to try mindfulness - with or without the meditation and yoga aspects. Like Edna Mode in The Incredibles it helps you to be 'in the now' and stand proud on your island looking up and not be swallowed up by the flood!
Finally on practical and financial matters the CAB are in my experience wonderful! This blessed corp of people have seen it all and can help you for free.
Now, look into your DCs' eyes and give them a warm smile - and watch a film that will have you all in gales of laughter - the Court Jester, the Paleface, Airplane, Marx Brothers and of course Laurel & Hardy are all my children's favourites!
Oh and the person who you loved and married is not the same any more - he has in effect died for you and you will be bereaved in a very real sense. Be gentle with yourself. Very best wishes.

springydaffs · 10/04/2014 20:32

Lovely post Astonway Smile

Actually, all lovely posts - you've a heck of a lot of support here MrsC Flowers

Agree with 55's 'putz' conclusion. Lowdown shit about the poor, deprived father and the witholding mother. Take no notice. Really, take no notice at all. The only reason you're twisted like a pretzel is because you want to be fair re the kids. Otherwise you'd have told him to piss off for good and would block him on every front. He's trying the whole range of emotional manipulations/torture. Take no notice.

Re DS - re his diagnosis, one of my kids is loosely on the spectrum and she found the toing and froing between my house and her dad's house very difficult indeed. I imagine DS would find it much harder that my daughter. Add to this the toxic environment DS is being introduced into with Hubble and Bubble: I think it would be appropriate that DS's exposure to them is limited further rather than augmented. You could successfully argue for that re DS's diagnosis. I can't remember if in the past DS has seen his dad at a contact centre?? I can't help thinking that a contact centre would be much more appropriate in light of 1. DS's dx and 2. H's toxic behaviour. Imo H should be watched like a hawk during any interaction with DS.

So many women twist themselves into impossible shapes for fear they will look like the evil witholding mother if they don't - when, in fact, the ex is toxic through and through and - this is my strong opinion, bourne from experience - it is sometimes better for the kids to have no relationship with the toxic parent than to be used as a pawn in a toxic game to destabilise and torture the mother.

Crap english but I hope you get my drift.

springydaffs · 10/04/2014 20:42

When I say 'successfully argue' I don't mean successfully argue with H - no argument with H would be successful tbf - but argue the point legally, not directly with H.

MrsC1969HJ · 11/04/2014 09:34

AcrossthePond...yes, that is what i'll do. It's funny isn't it, still playing the "poor me" card, we seem to have hit that six month point I have read about so often where they seem to start behaving a bit pitifully (creeping regret maybe?). Who knows? I won't rise to it though :-).

Astonway Thank you for your lovely, kind and inspiring post. I will take your sound advice. I am getting a tiny bit better by the day, the rollercoaster continues, but I am gaining strength. Indeed, the H I "knew" has gone, to be replaced by a stranger with so many many issues that I doubt he will ever have a stable relationship. I pity him in many ways. However, I know that my DC will remain safe and loved by me :-).

Springy...I do indeed have amazing support on here and will be eternally grateful! I don't take any notice of him anymore, he and his OW have demonstrated their lack of emotional stability in relation to both children (by which I mean her son and mine, let alone the complete dismissal of the needs of my daughter who is suffering too). I am seeking all the help I can with this and will have further professional advice prior to our next mediation which I hope will demonstrate to my H that he can't just swan back and forth causing upset and disruption to my DS (who is fine between visits, it's the visits that cause the distress when he has to come home, of course H doesn't see all of that does he?). I will do whatever I have to for my DS, I don't give a damn what H and OW think! Thank you again for your ongoing support :-).

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MrsC1969HJ · 11/04/2014 23:01

So after yesterday's pathetic email asking for more access as the 9 hours he originally asked for "isn't enough", I have a conundrum. OW has a business page on FB. She has started to be "clever" (she thinks) and rather than post as admin on her own page, she has started to post from her personal FB page as she thinks I can't see them as she blocked me. Obviously I have a fake FB page so I can see her posts anyway. Have discovered that shop is shut on Wednesday as she announced it which is H's midweek access day so I am not waiting for him to ask me to have DS for the day with some pathetic excuse about how much he misses him etc. Thinking I will preempt this and say I need to change access to Tuesday as we have another invitation for Wednesday. My mother in law says I cannot let onto them that I know shop is shut or I will look like a stalker (to be fair, I am) and it will also make me look like I am changing access on purpose. She's right I guess. He is now also asking for Monday's. OW doesn't work on a Monday either, so shop is shut. The problem is they are both SO thick. DS speaks, he will tell me. H is trying to introduce her by stealth even though we have this solicitors agreement. WTF is wrong with these two?! I hate them :-(

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AcrossthePond55 · 12/04/2014 01:46

I think right now it's important to keep the access to her fb page. You never know what you might discover. I think the plan to change the day is a good one. If he wants another day, why not Tuesday & Thursday? Two days spread thru the week.

I wouldn't put it past those two to tell DS to lie to you which will put him in a terrible position. He isn't old enough to totally understand, put he is old enough to feel 'in the middle' even if he doesn't know exactly why. And old enough to feel the burden of 'let's not tell mummy,ok? We don't want to make her angry at daddy, do we?'

MrsC1969HJ · 12/04/2014 09:36

I know, it's awful isn't it? Yesterday we saw a car when I was grocery shopping and he said "granddad's car"...I then realised DS was talking about OW's father. I stopped and explained that DS has two granddad's and one nanna and the person who had a car like that was not his granddad. I am not sure how much he took in, but I tried to explain as best I could. I have also had him saying OW's name and putting his hands over his eyes and shouting "no". It makes me think they are saying "don't tell Mummy", it's just disgusting. They have completely ignored the agreement and she is so emotionally abusive I don't want her to have contact. This morning DS has been asking "do you love my Daddy", I just said "you love him, don't you" just tried to reverse it. It breaks my heart :-(. I will change access to Tuesday, he can then go off with her and whatever she's doing on Wednesday with no underhand involvement of my DS.

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Flux700 · 12/04/2014 10:38

You are being so strong!

Great idea to suggest you discuss contact in mediation. Also I would add that you are pleased he has recently taken more interest in his son. (to acknowledge in a roundabout way tat he hasn't previously). And state that contact is presently at the level he requested formally with solicitor.

Also on another note. In your original post you mentioned that your son was due to be assessed for ASD. ASD is mostly genetic, so it is possible that one of your sons relatives have ASD (possibly to a lesser extent?). I'm wondering if your DH's struggle to empathise could be a result of ASD?

MrsC1969HJ · 12/04/2014 10:54

Flux700, thanks so much for your post, my H has issues without a doubt. I suspect my son is actually Aspergic and his father is the same. We have a long way to go with assessment but I truly believe my H has some sort of spectrum disorder. At 42 though, I am not sure he will ever seek help or even get it. I have mentioned it to our GP who said at his age there is very little to be done.

I agree with what you say about mediation and acknowledgement. The only thing is I know that his "increased interest" is because I believe he is going to make an application for custody. I also think that the access he asked for at that time was because it suited him while they were all "loved up" and in the first flush. Now of course things have changed somewhat, OW has got him tied to the house and under surveillance, he is barely working, has no friends and is probably bored to tears. She can't really argue with him seeing his son can she? It's funny how it's suddenly "not enough" but at the same token and throughout all of this I have had to work VERY hard to keep my son on a level since his father left and will not allow him to disrupt the routine we have just because it suits him. Even minor changes unsettle my son completely, a symptom of his possible spectrum disorder, hence why I am seeking professional advice...and using a different angle to legal advice as they unfortunately don't go hand in hand!!

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LBZT · 12/04/2014 11:08

mrsc i see a little problem here what if H and ow are saying stuff to your son and leading him to say things against you that they will try and use in court. What if they are filming this??? Your son is clearly distressed by what is happening and you don't know what is being said etc. Why can't you go back to the contact center you say DS was distressed by that and it worried you but think about this that you knew what was worrying him you are now dealing with something that you don't really know anything about his distress can not be properly played out because he is being told to hold back, either is bad but at least with the contact center you have some control.
The other thing is why are you going against legal advice will that not bite you in the back at a later date?
I am still worried that you are giving to much away you are behaving reasonably and they are not. You have to be really careful and I'm worried that you are looking at the short term pain of your son instead of considering the long term for him. Remember they will lie and lie they do not care about you they are out to win. Please tread carefully.

LBZT · 12/04/2014 11:16

Also just to add I know this goes against normal advice but I think your case is unique. Where is the hurt in changing AT THE LAST MINUTE contact times for H. As in on saturday you have a family party to attend so he has to pick him up later or you offer say tuesday instead or soemthign has come up on weds so offer thursday only do this 24 hours in advance. I know I know not nice but it means the plans they are making with your DS and ow will struggle .I get it's not good but you have a life and as long as you are reasonable about offering other dates. Stomach bugs come at the last minute as well it can't always be helped. It's bitchy I get it but I think that it will make their secret plans more difficult to play out. Maybe think about it and use it on occasion when you are really worried about a contact day

MrsC1969HJ · 12/04/2014 11:18

LBZT, obviously I have no idea what goes on when H has DS in his care. I do think that largely he doesn't see OW, she works on a Saturday, her busiest day, but I do think H drops in there with DS every now and again. He clearly talks to DS about her. Remember my son has only just turned 3 so his understanding is very limited. I am not sure how far he could be infuenced to say things at this stage. He hasn't mentioned her son in a long while so I believe he is being kept out of the picture. It may be we have to return to the contact centre, I am looking at all options at the moment.

I don't understand where I am going against legal advice or giving too much away? I don't tell him anything or have any conversations with him at all. I don't know if you misunderstood my comment about seeking professional advice...it was alongside legal, unfortunately they are different. As the law stands, I can't legally stop my DS being involved with OW. However, because DS is currently being assessed for autistic spectrum disorder, I may be able to receive back up from that point of view from his statementing team. It is very clear from her emails etc that she has no interest in my son whatsoever, just as a means to get to me. On that basis, I am hoping to seek a recommendation that she is kept out of his life. Legally, H won't have to comply, BUT if he doesn't, we will be back to the contact centre and he can make an application to court and I will then have all my evidence to hand.

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MrsC1969HJ · 12/04/2014 11:19

LBZT re : your second post...excellent plan and will be implemented ;-) Thank you! :-)

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LBZT · 12/04/2014 11:32

sorry mrsc I though I read that you were not following legal advice up thread and now when I read back I can't see your comment??? It's me clearly getting confused when reading I am very tired this morning. Bad night.

I think when I say you give to much away what I mean is that you are all reason and dealing with this properly. Your H isn't he's been awful to you and I admire that you are still dealing with him so well. I just get the feeling that you are almost too reasonable but I guess that is me projecting myself a bit here. I was in a EA relationship years ago and now I don't stand for any crap I have possibly gone from one extreme to the other! Sorry. I will be more careful when I post in future not to project myself into your situation, it will be a good lesson for me. Grin

MrsC1969HJ · 12/04/2014 11:41

No no, please don't apologise LBZT, I cannot tell you how useful everybody's input is! I don't know what I would do without you all. What I meant is that I am just trying a two pronged approach as it were...legal and medical. It's such a nightmare, it really is. I am going to change access next week, I will tell him he will have to be flexible over the holidays as I have the kids off. He can take it or leave it as far as I am concerned. What I am trying to do is be whiter than white so he can't accuse me of anything, so I am seen to be being reasonable etc. If this does come to court, I need to be able to show that I have behaved properly...and that he hasn't.

I hope you have a better night tonight, nothing worse than feeling so exhausted. I would recommend some wine. Mind you, I recommend that for everything. A cure all! Thanks

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FoxInTheDesert · 12/04/2014 11:55

OP, I have been lurking on this thread since you first posted, and I have to say I admire your strength. Your DS is blessed to have you and I erally hope things will get better for you. That man is absolutely horrible as is the OW.

I am wondering though, with you sharing this on MN, are you sure this could not possible used against you when found out? Especially the email part you have shared.

I understand you need the support- I think anyone would in this situation, an as I said I think you're amazing!- but I would be cautious. If the OW would find out, being as vindictive as she is, I can imagine she using this against you in any court case that would come up.

MrsC1969HJ · 12/04/2014 12:05

FoxInTheDesert, thank you for your post. You are right of course, it could be found out and may well have been. However, everything I have said is factual and I can back up entirely. I have no issues with sharing the situation, I wish I had earlier as it has been an amazing support for me, especially emotionally. It has also made me see that I am doing all the right things for my kids in the face of huge adversity. Anybody else have any thoughts on this?!

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LBZT · 12/04/2014 12:12

maybe this thread could be deleted it would be awful if it was used against you. I am thinking of the comment your H made about ow building a harresment case against you, wondering what was said about ow on here now?? You can always start another one keep the advice from this one and garner new advice on another thread there will be plenty on here that will post on any new thread of yours.

springydaffs · 12/04/2014 12:37

I'm shuddering a bit at H's family knowing the minutiae about what you're doing. Go carefully, lovely. He is their son.

You're not stalking btw, this is a war and it's serious. Any and every means!

Yes they are THICK. Does ds have a social worker? Get the covering eyes/No! thing officially documented - record it in your diary of course. Move quickly, don't wait.

springydaffs · 12/04/2014 12:39

If you do delete this thread, keep it saved somewhere as a diary of events.

MrsC1969HJ · 12/04/2014 12:42

Springydaffs, H's husband are right behind me 100%, they have cut off contact with him completely as they felt they couldn't support him with how he has behaved, both morally and emotionally. I don't know what I would have done without them. They are amazing in every way. H has told me never to mention their names again and says he will be one less person standing at their graves. Charming indeed. I think he will regret that in years to come and I do worry that that is concerning regarding his state of mind.

DS is under a child development centre. I know, that does upset me. He doesn't refer to it often, but has done it a few times, and my daughter has seen him do it too.

I am now worried about thread being up...well not worried as everything I have said is true and can be supported. Not sure what to do about that!

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springydaffs · 12/04/2014 12:50

Press 'report' button at far right of your original post at the top of your thread - ask them to delete the thread because of serious legal implications. You could post in a far-off corner of MN which is safer, more hidden.

Pimpf · 12/04/2014 16:07

What a pair of absolute fucking shitheads.

It will come back and bite them in the arse, I'm only sorry that you and your children are having to deal with this shit right now

Pimpf · 12/04/2014 16:07

Could the thread be moved to that other area so less visible?

MrsC1969HJ · 12/04/2014 21:22

Pimpf....thank you, that's a lovely description, perfect, thank you! :-). I am leaving it where it is for now, the thread that is, I have nothing to hide and everything supportable as well they know.

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