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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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Onmyownwith4kids · 09/04/2014 15:13

Your husband and mine need to get together..maybe a foursome with them and their other women..they sound like they have a lot in common and would make great friends..You poor, poor thing this must be an absolutel nightmare..I know exactly how you feel..Horrible letting these vile individuals get involved in the children's lives..Hope you're OK xxx

MrsC1969HJ · 09/04/2014 15:21

God isn't it awful! Have replied to your thread, hope you're feeling a bit stronger now. I know it will have to happen, but not yet, not after what she's put me through. There has to be boundaries especially given my son's autism assessment. They have to accept that and abide by my guidance...not do what the hell they please and hang the consequences. If you saw some of the Google reviews of her business, you'd not want your kids near her either. She once squared up to a friend of mine and told her "to fuck off back to her own country" in front of friend's 4 year old son..because friend complained about something. This was before she was involved with my H, but even so. Nasty. Have ALL your kids met the OW yet? xx

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Onmyownwith4kids · 09/04/2014 15:26

She sounds a right charmer...It's only a matter of time before my kids meet the OW..Have decided to be philospohical about it..I'm dreading it but am just going to have to let them get on with it..sounds like your husband has made a right mess of his life, just a shame you and your son have to be dragged into it xxx

MrsC1969HJ · 09/04/2014 15:28

Have you taken legal advice yet? How long as it been? Even H's solicitor advised a minimum of 6 months depending on circumstances and frankly, if he is still coming back and telling you he loves you, I would be loathe to let them be involved at all, he doesn't know if he's coming or going, so they get used to her, it all goes tits up and then what?!

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AcrossthePond55 · 09/04/2014 17:50

MrsC- if you have't started one, you need to start an access diary. Start by detailing your informal agreement re visits & no-contact agreement with OW. Then keep track of every contact, be it an access visit or Dr's appointment, & anything DS has to say about them & his reactions when STBX drops off or leaves. Details re his demands for change, what you decided & why and his reactions. Jot down every conversation. You can be sure these things will come up in mediation & court proceedings. Even though he & OW will surely deny what's detailed, at least you will have an orderly record. Just do remember to keep all entries unemotional & factual.

And keep copies of every scrap of paper, texts, etc, that pass between you!

God I hate it when evil people use innocent children to hurt their spouse. And it always seems that it's the guilty party doing it to justify their bad behaviour.

MrsC1969HJ · 09/04/2014 21:48

AcrossthePond thank you, yes I will do that, although I do keep absolutely everything without fail. I will do an actual diary. Do you know, I have no wish to keep my son away from his father, however lacking he is. However, this whole "creating a new family" thing is not going to happen. I have now involved professionals and will await my meeting at the end of the month. So, my next post will be about today's exchange...!

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MrsC1969HJ · 09/04/2014 21:56

Evening all, I know that exchanges are not advised in situations like this but I was completely backed into a corner today so decided to send the following via email to my H while he had DS, I hope factual and calm enough but also very clear :

To H

From my solicitor : If it is the case that if His not prepared to abide by the written agreement that OW is not involved at this stage then contact will need to return to a supervised environment at the contact centre where the identity of the parties present is monitored

You are ignoring a written agreement from your own Solicitor to not involve your latest "new" family at this stage. If it has been "six months" then you have lied to me about when your relationship started, which you have anyway, that much is now clearly obvious. Your e-mail to me on 7 November stated that you had been in a relationship for two weeks. That would be since 24 October 2013. It is currently 9 April 2014. I believe you were advised that it was a "minimum of 6 months depending on the circumstances" (confirmed advice from his solicitor). I would suggest the circumstances dictate that you keep OW away from my son given the antagonism and abuse directed by her towards me. The agreement was drawn up as a DIRECT RESULT of her emails which she sent without being in possession of the full facts. OW is not an appropriate person to be around my son at this time and you are pushing very serious boundaries by allowing DS to call her parents "Grandma and Granddad". They are not, and never will be his Grandparents. He has biological Grandparents of his own and as a father, you have a duty and responsibility to explain that to him. You cannot create a new "happy family" from the destruction of the one you left behind. What you do with your life is entirely up to you. However, it is me who picks up the pieces of the confusion suffered by DS in this dreadful situation.

I would suggest you take further advice from your own solicitor in this regard and I suggest we discuss this openly in mediation and try to reach some sort of agreement. I do not want to return to the contact centre, I will avoid this at all costs. However, I ask you to understand and respect my wishes at this time and certainly while we do not have a proper agreement on how to proceed.

So, he has agreed to speak to his solicitor and I am hoping that we can come to some agreement via mediation. He then started sending me pictures of son playing, I think I mentioned that upthread, it's just odd. I imagine there's a bit of "this is your fault, if you hadn't sent those emails" in the lovenest tonight! I think I did the right thing under the circumstances but all advice gratefully received as usual! :-)

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MrsC1969HJ · 09/04/2014 21:59

Sorry, all my "bolds" went awry there..not sure why!!

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LBZT · 09/04/2014 22:33

my opinion is the e-mails with pictures were bribery to keep you sweet as your e-mail may have shit him up a bit. I guess he also wants to avoid the contact center. Personally and this is me I would now insist on it until you have a formal arrangement drawn up and he has gone back on his word and sorry but he will again, I wouldn't trust him.

MrsC1969HJ · 09/04/2014 22:58

LBZT...he didn't take son out with OW today. I think the mere mention of the contact centre was enough to be honest. I have to say, I don't want DS to go back there...it wasn't that they weren't really kind, it was the closed in environment and the fact they have to remove the child from you (causing additional distress) to take to the other parent and then do it again to return them to you. It is so stressful for my son. I don't trust him, he knows that, he also knows that DS speaks. So, I am hoping that this will be enough for him to abide by the arrangement until we can draw up a formal agreement. I have two senior health visitors coming out to see me because of DS's assessments. They know about this situation and are going to assist and advise. I wonder if he actually processes that his precious OW's behaviour has caused this?!

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LBZT · 09/04/2014 23:20

You could be right you know him and how he thinks. I know your not supposed to contact him but I did like your e-mail I thought is was very to the point and professional like you will not be walked over. E-mails like that once in a blue moon have more affect that lots of little texts/e-mails. Try not to e-mail him unless you have a couple of issues that you need to raise and if possible delay sending them for a couple of days. Do you have a special e-mail account to use just for him. What about a mobile just for him so you can switch it off unless he has your DS. I guess it's creating bounderies but I'm no expert others may have lots more to offer.

MrsC1969HJ · 09/04/2014 23:44

LBZT thanks again for your insightful post. I did feel that I had no choice but to send that as it really was a critical situation, other than that, I don't do it and ignore any he sends. He has a separate email account, well it's one I use for divorce, mediation and solicitor. I have another for friends/family. He only texts rarely, this is because she reads the texts as her phone is hooked to his via i-cloud (how trusting that relationship is!). Funny that his emails are normally quite "polite" but texts are blunt to the point of rudeness. This is because she can't bear us having any relationship at all due to her jealousy issues. Well she's got 15 years of that yet, so had better get used to it!!

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MrsC1969HJ · 10/04/2014 00:16

I need to post this as I am going to end up talking to myself!! What sort of man leaves his son at the beginning of assessment for autism and leaves his stepdaughter of 14 years at the beginning of her GCSE's? My daughter is a total nightmare at the moment because of him, it has affected her deeply. He hasn't once asked how she is, tried to contact her or done anything, what he did was cut off her mobile phone which was her birthday present..."she wants nothing to do with me, why should I pay for her mobile"....! All he was interested in was him, what he wanted, how he needed to feel "special", how his needs were met. Everybody else could go screw themselves. What a totally worthless oxygen thief. Thanks, I just needed to get that out Angry

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mistlethrush · 10/04/2014 07:15

MrsC - at least you now know his true colours! It is awful to do this to your daughter as well as your son.

I think that your email was very good - it didn't sound dramatic, over emotional and clearly stated the facts and consequences. The occasional one to address specific, significant issues is I think perfectly reasonable. Just make sure that you try to keep anything of your dislike for OW out of it as much as possible! (I think what you put was fine because it relates to what she did to you)

MrsC1969HJ · 10/04/2014 09:27

mistlethrush, I know it's shocking. I do wonder what goes through her head. She had a lot of issues last year, not least the diagnosis of anorexia. She's had a tough time. When he left, she was staying over at a friends house, when I picked her up I said I had something to tell her and she said "I already know, he's left hasn't he?". To my horror, he had text her when she was at school four days previously and said "if I leave your Mum would you still see me". She didn't say a word, didn't know what to do. I wish she had, I might have been able to do something about it all, but I have never said that to her. I still can't believe he put her in that position, a vulnerable child. Makes my blood boil!

Regarding e-mail, I just had to state facts and he needs to accept that the reason he's in this position is because of his wonderful OW!!! She has done nothing but make this situation more difficult, more complicated, mainly because she is so nasty, jealous and manipulative. I wish he'd come to his senses and get rid of her, I really do.

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LBZT · 10/04/2014 09:41

Oh mrsc your poor daughter is she getting the help she needs? Does she have contact with H's extended family.
As for OW it will eventually implode for all sorts of reasons but clearly this is not a relationship built to stand the distance. However you should be prepared for it to last possibly even a few years. The best thing to do is remove you as much as possible from the dynamic as that he what is keeping them together, it's making me think of teenagers!!! How sad is that. Worse still even if they spilt you still have to deal with H so the arrangements you make must be able to weather any storm that goes off in his life as best you can. I hope you have a good day today.

MrsC1969HJ · 10/04/2014 09:58

LBZT, thank you :-). Yes she is getting the help she needs and thankfully as H's family are supporting us 100% she has plenty of people around her. We really have had a rough time of it!! Regarding H & OW, I have no idea. Like I said, he is completely dependent on her in many ways and she will cling like a limpet but the background is so unhealthy isn't it? At some point I would have thought that her husband's death will catch up with her. I will never understand why H didn't get his own place, build a relationship with son as a separated Dad, allow his "new" relationship to grow at a more reasonable pace rather than this whole charade they have created. It's a relationship based on lies, devastation and lack of trust, so good luck to them!

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MrsC1969HJ · 10/04/2014 16:27

Hello ladies, after the drama of yesterday and threats of "taking me court" etc to get more access, I have received this from H. How do I respond? Do I respond? Feel like I should just say "we will discuss at mediation".

will you allow me more access to see DS, the time on wednesday is just not long enough but perhaps can see him on mondays as well. but happy to work around you. the gap between visits is to long, i just want to spend more time with him 9 hours a week is just not enough. as much as you hate me please allow me to have more time with DS

Now, bear in mind that when he filled in the Statement of Arrangements he asked for 2 hours on a Weds afternoon and all day Sat. That was all and I agreed. Of course at that point, they were all over eachother and he did it because it didn't interfere with them in my opinion (she works on a Saturday for starters so gives him something to do). Now he isn't working (properly) and she's got him tied to the house, he obviously has more time to think about things. So, any thoughts?

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MrsC1969HJ · 10/04/2014 16:28

Oh and she DOESN'T work on a Monday...given my email to him yesterday, I can't believe he's asking to see him when she's at home. He clearly doesn't realise I know that!!! Her shops are shut on a Monday!

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LBZT · 10/04/2014 16:41

I don't understand access, but surely access is to be sorted out in mediation, why would he try and make further requests outside of that process. I think that should be your first response but not immediately you have no obligation to respond to this any time soon.

On a plus note now you have an idea of what he going to ask for and can come up with a plan yourself. I understand that you should be making access available but as you have an idea that he is going after more contact possible custody isn't it time that DS needs more set up in the week playgroups etc that make making new access available awkward! Plus I always thought the norm was every other weekend and i day mid week. You seem to provide more than that. Lots to think on, again do not rush to respond think of it from all angles and see what others say and ask for some legal advice on it as well. Take your time there is no rush. Others may say that is wrong again I am no expert. Just my opinion.

mistlethrush · 10/04/2014 16:50

If you originally had Weds and Sat, and he now wants another evening, you could suggest Tuesday and Thursday - which gets around the monday problem - but you might want to leave that until mediation. If he really wants more contact with DS he would jump and this and not care that its not a Monday.

I suggest that you indicate, in a short way that you will stick with the current situation until you have been able to discuss it during your next session of mediation.

Is there any reason for him not working at all?

MrsC1969HJ · 10/04/2014 17:08

Thanks ladies, I think I will wait and respond tomorrow and say we will leave it til mediation. He doesn't work because she doesn't want him to...he gets a weekly allowance instead. I know, I know..! He has a maintenance contract that he has to do but that takes only one day a week. She is paying maintenance when he has no income apparently. Desperate do you think?! :-D

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LBZT · 10/04/2014 17:13

I wouldn't I'd tell him on sat thanks for the e-mail it's on my to do list to respond to and then reply on sunday. But I can be a bit cheeky!!

MrsC1969HJ · 10/04/2014 17:17

Ha ha LBZT...I might take your advice on that...:-) x

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AcrossthePond55 · 10/04/2014 19:29

I agree. Short email "We can discuss this during our upcoming mediation session". I notice that he had to throw in his 'if you don't give me what I want it's because you hate me' bullshit. Nothing like trying to make you look like the stereotypical shrew while he tries to look like the desperate father denied his son, is there?

Putz!

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