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PLEASE HELP - DESPERATE AND AWFUL DIVORCE :-(

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MrsC1969HJ · 19/03/2014 18:03

I apologise in advance for the very long first post, but this is a story and I have no idea how I am going to move on with my life. My husband and I had a baby 11 years into our marriage as he was suddenly desperate to become a father. I already had a daughter from a previous relationship. I didn’t want to have another child if I am honest because I knew that he would struggle to cope and that it would be such a huge change. I was 42 when our son was born, my husband 39. Our son was a very difficult baby who suffered reflux, cried constantly and didn’t in fact sleep at night until he was 2 ½ years old. In the meantime, he was referred for statementing for ASD due to severe behavioural problems. Clearly this put a huge strain on our relationship. 2013 was a very difficult year, my husband receiving a life changing medical diagnosis which affected him quite deeply, I also had two cancer scares and some serious family issues. I also had severe PND which I didn’t seek proper help for, thinking I could cope. All of this put a huge strain on our marriage in many ways. Last October, my husband walked into the kitchen at 8 in the morning and told me he didn’t love me anymore and was leaving, he then walked out for the whole day rendering himself unavailable. When he returned home he said he wouldn’t leave for a few weeks but I got together every last one of his possessions/clothes and asked him to leave, which he did early the next morning. I was absolutely stunned, I didn’t see it coming at all and while I knew we were having a rough patch, there was nothing that was insurmountable. He assured me that there was nobody else involved and I believed him, I couldn’t bear to think otherwise. However, his behaviour was then astonishing. He raised a divorce petition with his solicitor within 3 days on the grounds of my unreasonable behaviour (so I knew he wasn’t coming back apparently), sacked me from his company (completely illegally), cut off all financial support (despite initially promising that nothing would change financially), cancelled the Sky package, mine and my daughter’s mobile phones and took his name off all the utilities, even taking the credit balances. He had already set up post redirection to the house of a friend where he said he would be staying and announced that I would have to start claiming income support and tax credits and that he would pay the mortgage for the next 13 weeks until I could claim Mortgage Interest Relief. I was just stunned. He just kept throwing things at me, not giving me a chance to breathe or recover. I didn’t eat a thing for two weeks, existing on coffee and protein shakes, losing 2 stone in the process, all while trying to care for two devastated children. I then received a text from him that was clearly not meant for me “you are my life”...I thought I was going to have a heart attack, the shock was indescribable. I subsequently discovered the OW was somebody who had been known to us for around 12 years and was unfortunately somebody I really disliked, much older than my husband and to top it all, her husband was killed last March in an RTA. I initially made email contact with her, explaining my sadness, she replied but tried to use her dead husband and grieving child to imply that she was vulnerable and nowhere near ready for a relationship and I took some comfort (and hope) from that, but it soon became clear that this was not the case and she became increasingly nasty and vile as time went on, especially when I caught them out at a log cabin weekend away when my husband said he was on business. She has called me some awful things, complained about being “bored of your pitiful your bleating”, calling me a “sad fuck”, “grow up and move on”, “if you were so great, why did he leave”, “you kid yourself this is all my doing”, absolutely tortuous abuse. Surely she is the one who involved herself with a married man?! This woman runs 3 child based businesses in a small town and can’t afford the damage to her reputation. She even had a solicitor write to me to threaten me. I have suffered an assault by my husband with police and social services becoming involved, the hell of a contact centre as a result of that, it has been a never ending nightmare. I finally filed for my own divorce on the grounds of their adultery which my husband tried to overturn by pretending he was gay (!). He finally told me that he met her again after a gap of 8 years at the beginning of October via work. He said that two days before he left me (on the 19th), “they” decided they wanted to be together and he tried to do the right thing by not having sex with her until after he’d left the house!! I have subsequently found out that he moved straight in with her (after less than 3 weeks, really?!) and only 6 months after the death of her husband. I can’t believe this relationship hasn’t been going on for much longer but he completely denies it. He re-registered his business to her business address 5 days after leaving me, listing her address as his home address. Last week he cancelled the car insurance just as I was leaving to take the children to school. Who is this man I was married to for 14 years and has turned into a complete stranger, selfish beyond belief and without any moral compass whatsoever? They taunt me with taking custody of my son, tell me I am not fit to be his mother, yet my husband shows no interest in my son’s very many medical appointments and only sees him twice a week, leaving me to pick up the emotional mess my little boy is reduced to every time. I just don’t know how to cope. I have developed some serious health problems as a result, which she saw fit to mock quite unbelievably and am trying really hard to keep myself together but it’s getting harder by the day. I have a great support network, even my husband’s family who have completely disowned him but I feel so lonely and frightened. I never imagined I would end up in a situation like this at this time of my life. My husband has given up EVERYTHING except the clothes on his back to be with this woman who is a horror to look at and surely must have some emotional issues to be behaving as she does and “moving on” so quickly after the death of her husband. My husband no longer has any friends, all have turned their back yet apparently it has all been “worth it” as she gives him lots of “cuddles, kisses and greets him nicely when he comes through the door”. I am not even joking. I am starting counselling this week but with the divorce becoming ever more nasty and awful, I can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel. My husband is also desperate to involve my son with this woman, something I think is totally inappropriate at this stage, especially given her antagonism towards me. I just don’t know which way to turn. Again, apologies for such a long post and believe me, this is the short version. How will I ever recover from all of this and how do I cope with such a vindictive pair especially in relation to my children? I feel like my life is no longer my own ?.

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MrsC1969HJ · 06/04/2014 10:42

So I had a really nice night out, a guy tried to chat me up but I think I put the barriers up a bit, crossed my arms, not good body language! I don't think I am ready to go down that road quite yet. My friend pulled him instead...which was good for her :-). I didn't mind. Had a very vivid dream about H last night where I overheard him tell somebody he wasn't with OW anymore...wish that were true. It's unsettled me and made me feel sad this morning. Mind you, I wouldn't want to be mucking that horse out in this weather :-)

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growingolddicustingly · 06/04/2014 11:59

MrsC there are some really excellent posts (particularly from AndreaApple) on this thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/a2040600-So-hes-moved-on-why-cant-I

Ask yourself and be totally honest with yourself when you reply : Hypothetically, so what if he is not with OW any more? What if he tries to come crawling back - he would have no roof over his head, no money etc? Would you take him back now knowing what he is like?

Mumsnet is very good at saying "when a man tells you what he is like, LISTEN!" He has told you, and he has told you in spades.

You are a loving, rational and reasonable human being but he is not. You deserve better than to be a wafe and stray rescue centre. He'll look at you with those puppy eyes and then proceed to piss up your curtains and bite you again.

You do not need him.

MrsC1969HJ · 06/04/2014 12:57

Thanks for that growingold I will read that today!

In answer to your question, no I wouldn't/couldn't take him back. Indeed his own parents have said they will never forgive me if I do (!). There is no way back from this for us, I do know that.

HOWEVER, I do still love him, I miss him terribly, I know that is really pathetic but I can't help it. I do have to remind myself daily of what he has done to me. I think the truth is, I just don't want him to be with her. As far as as I concerned, she gave him a way out, in every way. She has done everything possible to break up my family, he was in a very bad place and weak and she made it all possible and then blamed it all on me. I cannot bear to have her round my child, she is a poisonous excuse for a human being and I will never forgive her for what she's done. Or him for that matter. I know that he isn't bright enough to have done half the things he's done, I know that some of the most evil texts he's sent me have been sent by her (mainly because he writes in code due to dyslexia and all these perfectly grammatical texts are not from him!) and still it sticks in my mind when he said if OW's husband hadn't been killed, he wouldn't have left me and if I hadn't have asked him to leave, we may have been able to work things out. I know that is a lie, I know it. It's putting the blame on me again, but I need to get my head round that!!

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growingolddicustingly · 06/04/2014 14:02

You need these lovely lady Flowers.

AcrossthePond55 · 06/04/2014 18:25

I told someone in a different but similar thread that the love you may still feel is separate from the current situation. You can love someone desperately but still make plans for the future and still move on. If you do that the love will resolve itself as you discover your new and happy life. So, right now just put that feeling in a mental closet in the back of your mind. Concentrate on the practicalities of day to day life, not 'what ifs' & 'should haves'. Those never do anyone any good.

MrsC1969HJ · 06/04/2014 21:21

Growingold...thank you so much...I know I am a sad sap!! :-(

AcrossthePond55, thank you so much for pointing me over there...I am so grateful for all your support.

Today has been a bad day, my little one ended up in A&E after falling off his bike...everybody else was there with somebody, but it was just me and him, could have done with an extra hand...but I managed, as I have done with everything else with him. Nothing is simple with DS, he can't bear being touched, it's horrible. I wanted my H more than ever today. Texted him to say about A&E but it took him 2 hours to respond as he's off with tart....then had the nerve to advise me about helmets etc...fuck off you tosser...I know all of that. I hate him. I love him. Wish this would just go away :-(

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springydaffs · 07/04/2014 11:15

Love for him is not going to go away overnight. It's been chopped off with an axe Sad . ime the love does die off. It takes a while but eventually it dies.

re I still feel shaky and sick to my stomach every time - I have been in a similar position recently, where someone at work, a line manager of sorts, was bullying me and each time I spoke to her I quaked inside. I was annoyed with myself and tried to work out why I was so frightened. She had power over me, particularly financially, and it was probably this that was at the root of the shaking (she got the sack btw. shame!). I think it's a primal thing tbh, we shake because we're under serious threat. You are, understandably, especially afraid of being hurt - and there he is, hurting you to the max [(((hug)))] - you are probably very afraid each time that he will hurt you more. He is being exceptionally cruel, it is no wonder you shake with feelings of tremendous hurt but also powerlessness. As you work on your case, get the relevant support, you will feel more empowered and the day will come when you don't shake but instead have to stop your lip curling in derision. Then when the love finally dies off you won't care one way or the other.

Clutterbugsmum · 07/04/2014 12:52

MrsC1969HJ

Would he have come with you if he hadn't left, because everything you have written about your ds medical issues say the complete oppsite. You still would have coped alone as you have done on every occasion.

And you do because you can cope. Hope your ds isn't to badly injured and is feeling better today, as are you.

MrsC1969HJ · 07/04/2014 21:38

Springdaffs Thank you so much for your usual insightful post. I've just had a bad day, one of those "they're getting away with it and laughing at me" days. I hate the shaking and anxiety. I know it will go away eventually but it just makes you feel ill doesn't it? I have decided to delay return to mediation until after the Easter holidays. I will have had another 3 counselling sessions by then and will hopefully feel a lot stronger. I took son to GP today who promised me 100% backing in the event of any attempts by H to gain custody. Didn't make me feel better though, I am just frightened about where this is all going to go :-(.

Clutterbugsmum...thanks for your post. He did initially come to appointments but cut off doing that when he left, I don't think he could bear to acknowledge the fact that he had left a child who has some additional needs, so ignored it. I have coped alone mostly with everything to be fair. The only thing he was good at was getting up in the night, he didn't mind doing that but it's irrelevant now as DS sleeps through anyway. He is fine thank you, minor abrasions and a sore finger! Didn't stop him whizzing round on bike today as happy as anything! :-)

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springydaffs · 08/04/2014 10:07

Oh MrsC, an assurance like that from a GP is worth its weight, it is very weighty. GPs are powerful - do take comfort from it.

I'm going to say, again: disengage. Not just verbally but internally. There are two of them and one of you, and they are vicious - you won't be able to compete. And, as you've found, appealling to them for humanity or common sense is useless. Try to drop out of the fight and let the process do its thing. I don't mean lay down and die and stop 'fighting' for what is right - of course you must carry on fighting in that sense - but behind the scenes, disengage personally iyswim. It's not easy, of course, but the alternative is appalling for you and, particularly, for your kids. Take each day as it comes and try not to project ahead, it does no good. You have a lot of clout on your side.

LavenderGreen14 · 08/04/2014 10:10

and you have us lot on your side too Thanks

Onmyownwith4kids · 08/04/2014 11:59

Hope you're ok today x

MrsC1969HJ · 08/04/2014 18:37

Springdaffs...I am trying really really hard to disengage. He is bored, isolated and lonely so is now trying to move goalposts with access, asking to see son yesterday and today, outside of his normal access which is tomorrow (which he has also asked to extend) citing "i just want to see him more". I have refused (short, concise and polite via text) as I feel that it is upsetting and confusing enough for DS and he has got exactly what he asked for on the statement of arrangements. He even asked me to "give valid reasons why not" if I refused. What a bloody cheek! He has screwed up my son's life enough, I have had to work VERY hard to keep him stable and am proud of the little boy he has turned into over the past six months, far less of the screaming, non-sleeping, head banging child he was prior to H leaving.

I have told the mediator that I will return to mediation after the Easter Hols. I have just had enough for now, I need a break from it all and will have had another 2 counselling sessions by then. Today's counselling was really good and helped me a lot. I wish I could lose the anger, hate and jealousy I feel, I know it's not productive, but all goes back to the fact that I am still being blamed for this and they won't take any responsiblity for their actions at all, "YOU made your husband leave, YOU are responsible". The counsellor said to me that she had never seen anybody treated like this, such depth of betrayal and unbelievable cruelty. That says a lot. She feels that I am being hard on myself for not feeling much better 6 months down the line, citing early days and a lot to come to terms with. She is lovely and I have a lot of faith in her. I do know that if my H doesn't do something like this too, has counselling, therapy or something, his life will just fall to bits eventually.

Onmyown...I am OK today thank you my darling, up and down like you but will get through! My counsellor said to me today "what exactly is it you miss about this man"...I couldn't actually think of anything mainly because she has made me see he was ALWAYS like this, he just hid it well. He did it all because he could and because he WANTED to. That's it at the end of the day! x

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springydaffs · 08/04/2014 19:00

I beg to differ about the hate, jealousy and anger being unproductive. It's part of the healing, the coming to terms. Who wouldn't be angry, jealous and full of hatred in circumstances like this? Your counsellor is right, it's only 6 months. I'd give it at least 2 years before you start to feel yourself coming back together. I know that sounds depressing but by 2 years the normal part of you starts to eclipse the mad part of you. In the meantime, let yourself be 'mad'. It's entirely appropriate imo - in fact, healthy.

Us wonderwomen eh. I heard the joke 'How do you know Jesus was a woman? She rose from the dead' - as we all know, us women regularly 'rise from the dead' for the sake of our kids. Not just physically but emotionally and mentally. Perhaps give yourself a slot during the day when the kids are in bed/elsewhere when you can let it all out. A baseball bat on the bed is a good one (but I suppose that would have to be when the kids are out as it makes a bit of a racket) - some people go kick-boxing etc. It's a good way to vent all your entirely appropriate hurt and rage. You're allowed to ROAR btw. You may be the ice maiden as far as shitface is concerned but what you do in private is your own business.

You do ignore any further texts he sends after your pithy 'no', yes? He's trying to drag you into a row (in order to play with you) so ignore him.

You're doing well, girl Flowers

springydaffs · 08/04/2014 19:05

When I say 'disengage' I mean disengage from them . Not disengage from yourself and the agonising process you're going through.

MrsC1969HJ · 08/04/2014 19:09

Thanks springy...indeed I don't enter into any conversation at all if I can help it and am getting good at "ignoring". I need to get back to the gym, he stopped me doing that, that was my stress outlet. I was so fit, went every day, even throughout my whole pregnancy and now I'm just thin and unfit! I used to do body combat classes, that really is a stress outlet! Somebody told me to give yourself a month for every year you were together so I do know this is going to be a long haul. I am prepared for that and realise that I need time to heal. He, on the other hand, has yet again jumped from frying pan into fire (inferno this time it seems) with such amazing ease (!) with that lunatic. Maybe she will be the one to break his heart this time as he has left so many broken hearts and broken children in his wake. My mother in law thinks she will destroy him and it will be nothing less than he deserves. Yet I am STILL worrying about him!!! WHY?! :-(

Thanks so much for vote of confidence...SO appreciated :-) x

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FoolishFay · 08/04/2014 23:56

You're worrying about him because you're a good and decent person!

I was separated for a while last year (now reconciling) but went through a stage of disagreement about access for our 6 year old DD.

I took advice from a children's charity that basically said that whilst there was no court order in place, it was my decision as the resident parent about access. They advised me to be reasonable (which you obviously are!) so that I could justify any of my decisions if I later needed to. I found that advice extremely reassuring when DH was getting aerated and making wild threats about solicitors.

You are such a strong woman, I'm full of admiration for you. You and your children will be just fine.

MrsC1969HJ · 09/04/2014 00:08

FoolishFay...thank you so much for your lovely post! I am so glad that you are managing to sort out your issues with your H. That makes a change being on these boards! There is no court order in place yet so that is good to know, I didn't know that actually and my solicitor has never said that. I have stuck by what he asked for and have been flexible to accommodate his work etc, but I will not have all of this "I want him today, longer tomorrow" thing. My son is 3, he needs consistency and routine and that's it. He is going to be damaged enough by what my H has done to us (as little as possible if I can help it). It hurts me so much to hear my son say "where's my daddy" on a daily basis, even six months on. However, I can't let him come and go as he pleases as it will just make things worse. Tomorrow I have to face reminding him that DS is not to be mixing with OW, her son or her family, as per an agreement with his solicitor...can see this being a problem as it is the school holidays. He will defy me anyway and son will tell me with his hands over his eyes. It's just disgusting, it really is. Anyway, am ranting again, thank you so much for your support and kind words! x

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Onmyownwith4kids · 09/04/2014 07:22

How frustrating to know he will defy common sense. Thank goodness your son has you to be the sane reliable parent in this. Just checking in to see how you are today. What did we do to deserve getting caught up in all this. You must be like me when I catch a glimpse of old photos and think life used to be normal. I never thought this would be my life. Hopefully this pain is a necessary evil on the way to a brand new and much better one. Thinking of you xx

MrsC1969HJ · 09/04/2014 09:39

Onmyown...I am fine thanks, just building up the usual anxiety for DS's contact this afternoon after nursery. I hate it. What I have done is put all things photo etc away. Everything. My H made me a beautiful box on our 10th anniversary when I was pregnant, had it printed with pictures of our wedding and filled it with keepsakes including miniature scan pictures of our DS and even a picture of the shop he bought my engagement ring in (this was the man who said he fell out of love with me two years after we married, how that hurt and how he has rewritten history). I have put everything in there and put it away. When I don't need to keep texts and emails anymore, all of that will go on a memory stick and into that box too. Then it will go away as part of my past. You should consider doing something similar when you are ready. No, we didn't deserve this, at all. I try and look on it as he has done me a favour to allow me to live a life I DO deserve, even if that feels a long way off at the moment. Thinking of you too :-) xx

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MrsC1969HJ · 09/04/2014 12:42

FUCKING HELL, I am totally powerless. Politely asked H on pick up to ensure that DS is kept away from other child today and he said "we are taking him on the train to Cambridge today and there is nothing you can do about it, it's been six months"....while smirking in my face. I told him that he had no right to do that without discussing it with me first, allowing DS to call her parents grandma and granddad blah blah. I tried so hard to keep my cool but am now in floods. Why are they allowed to just fuck up my entire life, break me, screw me over in every way and are then allowed to just go and have lovely afternoons out with my son?! I am just fucking sick of it....

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mistlethrush · 09/04/2014 12:47

I'm afraid that he is allowed to do that. Its really crap. However, the fact that you have specifically asked him not to do it means that he is relishing the fact that he's doing it and is rubbing your face in it and feeling as though he's 'won'. To stop that you must lower your expectations of his behaviour as low as possible - if there's something he can do that will hurt you, he will do it. You can't be further disappointed if you think like that.

Re OW's parents - you could have a discussion with your 3 yo - and explain that he has two sets of GPS - STBEXH's parents and your parents - and that OW's parents are not GPs at all. And you could possibly come up with something between you to call them - like OW's Daddy and OW's mummy or similar.

LBZT · 09/04/2014 12:50

oh mrsc breathe, calm down, have a cup of tea, maybe go for a walk it's a lovely day. The ONLY power this man has over you is what you allow if you don't react do not let it get to you he has no power.
Now what does your solictor say about his contact with these people?
Do you believe that they are causing harm or confusion to your son?

If so what can you do about it, think logically what tools do you have on your side that can address this.

MrsC1969HJ · 09/04/2014 13:18

I have a letter from his own solicitor stating that DS will not be involved with OW and her family at this stage. This was directly as a result of her abusive emails towards me and the antagonism and threats. So, how is he allowed to do this?

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MrsC1969HJ · 09/04/2014 14:54

Right, have calmed somewhat. Sent an email stating calmly that he had agreed to certain conditions while we were going through mediation and until we could come to an agreement regarding access etc and that this has been confirmed in writing by his own solicitor. He has backed down somewhat, is on his own with DS. Was clearly trying to wind me up. I do realise and understand that I need to come to terms with this situation but I do not think that OW is appropriate to be around my son. Bear in mind she cared so much about her own son's emotional welfare that she moved my husband in within 6 months of her husband's death. Then wrote to me stating that she "wasn't about to unsettle her son's life further"...while living with my husband and pretending otherwise. If she doesn't give a damn about her own child's emotional welfare, she isn't going to give a damn about mine. To her, he is a weapon, nothing more. She dismissed my daughter out of hand as "surely the concern of her own father, nothing to do with us"....this was after writing to tell me that "should my friendship with X mature in the future, I promise I will always d right by you and your CHILDREN" (again while living with husband but pretending otherwise). Absolutely without any moral compass whatsoever, let alone the ability to write such things just to cover her own back (personality disorder of some sort?). It all needs discussing and bringing into the open and this will be the first subject I address at mediation in 2 weeks time. I would be surprised if this "relationship" lasts the course, I might be wrong of course, but in the meantime the involvement of my little boy with his funny ways with this woman is just not acceptable. H is currently emailing me lovely pictures of son playing. What is going on in his head?! :-(

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