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"But We Took You To Stately Homes!" - Survivors of Dysfunctional Families

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DontstepontheMomeRaths · 11/02/2014 17:30

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It's February 2014, and the Stately Home is still open to visitors.

Forerunning threads:
December 2007
March 2008
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February 2009
May 2009
January 2010
April 2010
August 2010
March 2011
November 2011
January 2012
November 2012
January 2013
March 2013
August 2013
December 2013

Please check later posts in this thread for links & quotes. The main thing is: "they did do it to you" - and you can recover.

OP posts:
GoodtoBetter · 28/02/2014 21:10

You're right Hissy, I have to just let it all go and get on with being happy and enjoying my life and let her just be a bit of an annoying thing at the edges of it. I hope you have cracked open the wine and are feeling better.

Meerka thanks, sometimes I look back and can't believe how much shit I put up with! I can honestly say I am really happy, feel good in my own skin.

MyriadOfMiracles · 28/02/2014 21:20

Thanks Meerka. I just wish I could block them in RL too haha!

2013go · 28/02/2014 22:38

Hello, I am having a tough time with dm/ all relationships generally.
Dm left dv dd when I was about ten. She was quite amazing in rebuilding her life and providing for us in the next years. I'm very proud of her.
I had rocky relationship with dd thereafter and many years Nc- when I was about 13 he had a rage and broke down my bedroom door and it fell in on my bed, then he raged on and told me that he and dm went to court for custody of dsis and not me and that nobody wanted me, so after that I was Nc for a few years. He was DV with Dsm also and is now with a new partner.
Anyway, rel with dd is distant but cordial enough at appropriate times.
However in recent years dm has been the difficult one and prone to sulks, hurts, rages etc.
We fell out a few weeks ago at a family gathering where my aunt remarked on dsds behaviour and I agreed with my aunt.
Since then dm has told my dsis that she is angry with me and dislikes me and is furious with me because of my exp (who was abusive)
She's not speaking to me and is waiting for me to apologise for slighting dsd. To make matters worse, she's been unwell and had an op.
For my part, I am still burning over many issues in recent years- many sulks and strops including storming out on a recent visit, and the visit before that. She's unreasonable at times to say the least.
Have already given too many details really, scared to out myself here but essentially I just wonder what to do. I feel very sad, but I think I now have to see myself as someone without really either a 'dm' or a 'dd' or at least not in the way others have dms and dds- both don't love me in any kind of tangible way.
I hate there being a rift but the rift is there and if getting over it means apologising for things I am not sorry for while both parents never apologise for anything then what can I do?
Just feel lonely and sad.

2013go · 28/02/2014 22:40

Oh sorry for dd I meant my dad not my daughter!!

Hissy · 28/02/2014 22:43

Myriad blocking on FB is your prerogative.

You don't have to answer to anyone. She won't say anything, and if she does, deny all knowledge.

Beat them at their own game :)

MyriadOfMiracles · 01/03/2014 07:57

2013go sorry to eat of your situation, I am not really in any position other to empathise I would say! But ladies on here will def help :)
Thanks for advice ladies: I blocked her. If anyone says anything I shall simply explain that after all the crap and abuse she has put in there about me and dh (and she got her bf to do so too) she can do one! I do not want see anymore of her crap :)
Jesus, Facebook drama... What would Jeremy Kyle say!

spanky2 · 01/03/2014 09:11

Thank you for the support Cigarettes, Hissy and Attila. They didn't show up. What a relief. Need to work on the level of control my mum has even when nc.

Hissy · 01/03/2014 09:37

2013 aha! now I understand!

We use DM for mother and usually DF for father! Confused the hell out of old hissy!

What a horrid pair! I'd leave em to it! You haven't lost anything, as by the sounds of it, you never had them in the first place!

How terribly sad, but it really was them, not you.

Walk away, walk towards happiness and freedom.

Hissy · 01/03/2014 09:44

spanky delighted to hear it! The 'control' she has though is in your head! Put plan in place, tell others and call the police if you need to.

GoodtoBetter · 01/03/2014 10:01

Good for you spanky scary how much control they can have or to put it another way how much control we cede to them.

GoodtoBetter · 02/03/2014 11:51

Saw the old bag and she was on top form. Manipulative old witch. So, clear conscience here.

pumpkinsweetie · 02/03/2014 12:25

Hello good to better sorry to hear you are still having problems.

After nearly a whole month of no phone calls mil is back to ringing again. Good thing is me and dh swapped mobiles so the silly cow isn't getting to him as muchGrin
4 times she rang my phone yesterday, I just laughed and thought... I wonder whats so important? Hmm probably wants dh to go fix their shed or something.

The other good news is that my baby is nearly 8 weeks and so far so good no ils have met herSmile so glad my first weeks were not ruined by them horrid people.

Dh hasn't seen them for a long time now, and I haven't been the one to stop him. He just hasn't mentioned them or wanted to see them. Very proud of how far he has comeSmile
Just hope Mothers day doesn't have him on a downer with the guilt that will ensue!

Cigarettesandsmirnoff · 02/03/2014 13:19

Hello 2013
I don't have a 'normal' relationship with either of mine. After reading your post your father sounds like a total asshole. Aggressive , violent and cruel are not qualities that are supposed to be resevered for our children. If it was a stranger that did that he would have been arrested.

I have a similar memory of my mother, kicking the toilet door in where I was hiding and continually hitting me so hard apparently sprained her wrists and wore a huge bandage to show what I'd done to her. She was violent towards me , my father wasn't.
He however was never emotionally available as he was always having his own drama, married two more times, forgetting each bunch of children as he moved on. He lives tem mins away and the year before last I didn't see him for a year. He was really busy Hmm I went nc with him and he is slowly trying to crawl back in after realising the fucking mess he created.

Don't feel guily about how they have behaved. The responsibility of their actions are theirs.

It took along time and it still hurts for me to realise I don't have just ordinary nice fucking parents. When I was younger I used to think "why don't you fucking care where I am OR I've not spoke to either of you for a long time, do you not miss me or your grand kids!!! But they are beyond selfish and only care for them selfs. I do have family, I have a DGM who I regard as my mother, but tbh she facilitated my father a lot.

My core family are my dp and kids, then close friends and a few cousins ect.

You will never change them. You can only change how you feel about your life now - even though it stings every now and again, when I see pics of my father with dgc at the zoo ect that are not even bio. As he never did that with mine.

Toxic parents is a great book, read it.

I don't really talk about my mother as I still have ishooos so I tend to focus on my demonic MIL Grin

Flowers
Hissy · 02/03/2014 13:20

What happened Good?

Cigarettesandsmirnoff · 02/03/2014 13:21

Have a relaxing Sunday all!

GoodtoBetter · 02/03/2014 15:24

Nothing happened. She was absolutely fine. No sign of anxiety or anything. Said she felt better and maybe it was because she knew we were going over and that she was sleeping a lot better. Didn't seem depressed or anxious or otherwise complain about it, except to say she hasn't been out in the car but will drive to the nearest shop next week.
So, so much for all the hand wringing and "lying in the foetal position on the sofa". Nobody perks up that fast...she was putting on a show. Which pisses me off, but at least it means I have a clear conscience...I needn't worry or feel bad about her. She's fine...just a crafty old, manipulative, victim loving old bag.
Oh, and she knows it was DH's birthday yday as she mentioned it, but didn't say anything further about it. Hag.

GoodtoBetter · 02/03/2014 15:25

Now eating homemade choc cake in front of gas fire with DS, we're watching Disney's Fantasia while DD naps. Good stuff...although he keeps whingng about where's Mickey Mouse :)

MyriadOfMiracles · 02/03/2014 18:03

Hi all , hope all ok :)
good your mil sounds like mine... Awfully difficult!
Cigarettes :( eek your mum sounds hard work, seems good you have nc with bio parents from what you say xx
pumpkin nice to hear someone having no ILs about for those lovely newborn days. I will not make that mistake again!

Well, today is Sunday so dh visits mil with dd. She got all emotional as dd has changed so much and she misses her terribly and feels she missing out ( she still sees her once a week!) my dm lives away and has to go bloody weeks/ months without seeing my dd. Anyway, dh informed her i have said for him to go to her more if he wishes but he chooses not to due to dds bedtimes/ work etc making it difficult.
Am I being unreasonable in thinking once a week to see dd for mil is enough anyway!?
So dh came home and said he had lovely time and his mum has asked if i will be willing to ' draw a line under everything that has happened and move on ' as ' we have ALL learned lessons from the fallout. Sorry what!? She phoned me and gave me shit because me and dh argued!? None of her buisness and not the first time she done it! Then sil gets involved and threatens to hit me... But I am now expected to just move on and learn from it as she says ' neither of us are gojng to apologise' - i have nothing to say sorry for! According to her i said horrible things too, but dh pointed out to her i hardly said horrid things, just my opinion and that I was defending myself!

I can proudly say i kept my cool and told dh I would think about it. But inside im fucking raging!! Dh doesnt give a shit about sil by the way, just wants me and mil to make up. I also think this is terribly double standard to make truce with dm but still have nc with sil- sil was an idiot, but she was sticking up for mil- who is a perpetual victem and caused all this mess!!

What's more, dh has said if we do just move on then she can. 'Only' stay once a month overnight. I dont want her to stay at all! Yes she did help when dd was born by getting up with her and just generally being an extra pair of hands- but even back then i found her incessant self pitying grating and would rather she didn't stay a lot of times she did.

She is guilt tripping dh saying all she has done is trying to help us and she has to pay off the sofa she bought us for xmas this week. She bloody does that a lot! Gets us gifts then throws it back in our face, I have told her before i don't want her money and dh fell out with me.

I want to do the right thing by my dd and dh ultimately. Maybe I should give her a second chance? :/ i just feel she still playing the victem and hasn't really learned anything as she doesn't want to discuss anything with me and just wants to move on . What should i do?

MyriadOfMiracles · 02/03/2014 18:10

Thing is she made accusations that there is an atmosphere fr dd when me and dh agree and we should split up beause 'these years are precious'. Never mind the fact she is round here crying all the time and moaning about yet another health issue infrint of my dd! Plus me and dh argue but no more than many and rarely infrint of dd- Jesus what couple doesnt bicker!?
I just feel i need to at the very least out her right about that. She can she what she pleases, but dramatising our bickering to make out it would affect dd in some way is just not on! Its too far. I am a good mother, dh is a bloody good father too. I will not stand for that .

MyriadOfMiracles · 02/03/2014 18:11

*argue
(Sorry for epic post!)

GoodtoBetter · 02/03/2014 18:14

Unfortuntely she's my mother, myriad. Sad

Cigarettesandsmirnoff · 02/03/2014 20:34

myriad I can see through your post your extremely worked up. I think you need to step out of your shoes and look in on your life as if you were a stranger.

You need to stand up to your dh. If you don't want a relationship with this woman don't have to, your an adult. You get to choose who you speak to. You are going round in circles and I don't think anyone has learnt from this as your now starting to give in to pressure of mil.

She is effecting your marriage even now,what will she be like right in the middle and more ammunition. Forgive and forget/ drawing a line really means let's pretend it didn't happen.

SIL is a non starter, she is irrelevant. Don't entertain it.

incogKNEEto · 03/03/2014 15:48

Sorry to dive back in after what has seemed to be ages.

Just wanted some wise words from those who understand. I have just come home after the school run to bags of gifts on the doorstep from M. It was dd2's birthday yesterday, and I was just starting to relax (last year M ambushed me and the dc at the primary school to deliver dd's gifts). And I am fuming. Which part of 'I want nothing to do with you again, and I want you to leave me and my dc alone' is she not getting?!

Grr, I'm sure it's just hoovering and I should just dispose of the gifts and stay NC but I really want to drive to her house and throw the bags at her front door ... why won't she leave me alone?

incogKNEEto · 03/03/2014 15:54

I know she would just use that against me but maybe it would show her I'm serious?

My DB has pretty much cut me off after saying he wanted to stay out of it, he sent me an email to say he's finding it difficult to have to support M as she's so devastated that she can't see her gc and that she/ they deserve an explanation (which I gave him in my email reply, and which he has not replied to at all).I know my place in my family is firmly 'in the wrong' but I thought that we could maintain a separate relationship despite me being NC with M, how wrong was I Sad

AttilaTheMeerkat · 03/03/2014 16:08

Hi IncogKNEEto,

re your comment:-
"Grr, I'm sure it's just hoovering and I should just dispose of the gifts and stay NC but I really want to drive to her house and throw the bags at her front door ... why won't she leave me alone?"

Yes you are right in that this is again hoovering behaviour on your mother's part. She wants to still manipulate you and feed off you emotionally, that is also why she does this. Tempting as it is to respond, please do NOT do so. Radio silence from you must be maintained. Dispose of the gifts via a local charity shop. No response from you at all is the way forward here. You are NC with your mother for good reason, keep it that way!!.

Any response from you will be seen by her as a reward so she will bother you even more.

Such damaged people like your mother always want the last word.

Some toxic people will let you leave a relationship without caring one bit. They never really cared about you, and if you don’t want to be used and abused anymore, they’re simply on to the next person before you can say, “Bye!”

Others, however…

Others hoover.

The toxic hooverer doesn’t truly care about you either — they just want to keep you around to feed on emotionally, and when you decide to go no contact, they don’t plan on letting you get away that easily.

Many hooverers have traits of borderline, narcissistic, antisocial or histrionic personality disorders. You can click the green & purple buttons to the lower right to find out if that may describe the person hoovering you. People with Dependent Personality Disorder may also hoover.

Hoovering is manipulation to gain control over your choice to distance yourself, and typically takes the following forms:

•Ignoring your requests to break off the relationship and attempting to continue on as if nothing has changed.
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•Asking you when you’re going to “get over it” and return to your past actions.
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•Sending you a fake apology to give you hope that things have changed.
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•Trying to trick you into contact by saying someone needs you, is sick, or in trouble.
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•Triangulating with others, communicating things to you through them.
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•Saying they’re worried about you, concerned about whether you’re okay, need to know where you are, etc.
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•Sending unwanted cards, messages and gifts, sometimes gifts for your children, as they know you are likely to feel guilty about keeping a gift from your kids. Don’t allow this – exposing your children to manipulation is far worse!
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•Returning old items you left behind.
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•Baiting you with drama games.
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•Contacting you about “important” things they “forgot” and suddenly have to tell you.

Don’t Fall for Hoovering Tactics

Attempts to pull you back into a toxic relationship are not valid expressions of caring and concern — they are attempts to regain control over your behaviour. Beware — hoovering attempts are often disguised as caring, loneliness, hurt, desperation, fear, illness, and other things designed to play on your sympathies and pull you back. Abusers know that pulling on heartstrings works very well. (In the case of BPD, it may be simply out-of-control emotions and fear of abandonment more than an attempt to control you per se; however you will likely still feel that you are not being allowed to end a relationship you no longer want).

If your wish to end a relationship is not being honoured, whatever a toxic person thinks will work best on you will be what they try, so when one angle doesn’t work, they will try another, and another, ramping up their efforts until it seems they might never stop. Typically, hoovering DOES stop if the person being hoovered does not fall for the hooverer’s tricks.

The sooner the person being hoovered completely ignores everything and does not respond to anything at all in any way, the sooner the toxic person finally understands that they do not have the control. Some toxic people may still make the occasional attempt on holidays, anniversaries of events, etc. Don’t bite the bait. Simply ignore any attempts.

If you have already made it clear that you do not want a relationship (or if it’s obvious) then DON’T ever contact the person doing the hoovering to tell them to stop again, or how angry you are. That is a reward. They will be thrilled to receive your attention and pleased to know that their efforts have paid off by snagging you, so they’ll be contacting you even more!

Harassment

If you have told someone you do not want contact, and they continue to bother you, the police can assist you. If you ever feel that someone you are trying to break off a relationship with may be capable of more than simply annoying you mildly, contact your local police for assistance. They are well-accustomed to dealing with skillful manipulators and have many smart ways of handling them, so do not hesitate to ask for help. (And remember, you have nothing to be ashamed about; you’re not the one behaving badly, and the police are there to protect you from abuse.)

Sorry to read but not terribly surprised if I am honest to hear that your brother has let you down as well. Its easier for him to not hear the truth about his mother and remain thus favoured. Honestly you do not need him in your life either if he is behaving like this; he is too stupid to realise that he too is being manipulated as well.

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