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The Dating Thread 68.

999 replies

Bant · 13/01/2014 23:45

Support for everyone, dating online or in real life.

No judginess, no shoutiness. Nuff said.

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Blossomflowers · 04/02/2014 17:38

Help!!!, so have been messaging and chatting with guy, he sounds lovely but I am keeping and open mind. Anyway he has asked to meet up later this week, ( this will be my first date after the end of a 20 year relationship, just would like some ideas about places to meet. It will need to be in the evening as we both work, we live about an hour from each other and I am very rural. Any suggestions gratefully received. I am very nervous.

Jarlin · 04/02/2014 17:52

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Santaclaws · 04/02/2014 18:00

bant good news hope it goes well for you

blossom try to meet in a reasonably quiet pub. He drove to my town which is about 20 miles from his and then I could pick somewhere I felt comfortable with. Was shaking when I went in, but soon relaxed and we stayed chatting for 4 hours. Good luck with your date

SoftKittyWarmKitty · 04/02/2014 18:01

Santa I think it's easy to become cynical when online dating, especially if you have an EA ex. I think the best way to approach it is to take people at face value and if they're an idiot/arsehole/liar/player it'll be be revealed soon enough. You're keeping your options open by going on other dates, which is good.

OneDay I'd probably go with option b but keep it short and quite blunt. 'I'm fine thanks' will probably suffice. If he asks you about a second date, then you can tell him you've met someone else.

Cynical On POF if you've previously exchanged messages with someone your old messages will be 'attached' like a thread, unless you've deleted the previous messages. I wouldn't particularly say 'perhaps we should meet' is another way of saying 'I want sex'. Anyway, you don't have to have sex with anyone you meet, so even if that's what he's aiming for, you don't have to comply. If you like him, meet for a coffee or something, see how it goes. Just remember - you are no-one's second best!

I've seen Mr Coffee Shop six times now and he seems lovely, although I'm fully aware it's early days so we're both still on our best behaviour. I want to take things slowly, so although things have got heated we haven't slept together yet. When do you usually have the 'where is this all going?' possible exclusivity type chat? We haven't really discussed whether we're just dating or actually a couple, then today it came up but I can't even remember how! He said something about how we've seen each other six times then said something about us now seeing each other, and I said 'are we?'. He said yes, so I said 'are we seeing each other, or seeing each other?' which confused him a bit so I said one is we see each other now and again, and the other is being together type seeing each other. He said we're kind of in between. So still not sure! I'm seeing him again on Friday.

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Blossomflowers · 04/02/2014 18:34

Thanks santa and jarlin god it will so weird. I think a quiet pub sounds good. Just got to think of somewhere.

ALittleStranger · 04/02/2014 19:06

Right, this is a little unfair. But this eligible batchelor is currently being promoted on the Guardian homepage.

But does anyone believe this is a recent photo of a 54 year old? Hmm
soulmates.theguardian.com/landing/52dae9b6e4b0bcacd309f838?INTCMP=mic_2718

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Santaclaws · 04/02/2014 19:27

I think its possible

MadeMan · 04/02/2014 19:28

@ALittleStranger I'd be more concerned that he's looking for a woman between the ages of 55 and 90. He looks older than me though, so his age is probably about right.

HanselandGretel · 04/02/2014 19:29

That is a little unfair, yes.

Lahti · 04/02/2014 19:29

Hi all, can someone help me see sense?
I met a guy online just over a month ago and we seem to get on really well. We have visited each other's houses etc and spent time together in the daytime as well as the evening.
He seems very keen ie asks about seeing me more often, and talks about future plans. I am fairly reserved (only just divorced following an EA marriage) but I do like him a lot and I have agreed to go to an event with him in a month or so. However I took my profile down as I couldn't handle all the dodgy messages etc, but I know he has kept his up on 2 different free sites but has taken his match profile down which he told me about. What would you make if this? He rings nearly everyday without fail and texts frequently everyday often in the evening. He talks about meeting my family (I have a DD) I wouldn't introduce anyone for at least 6 months, but I definitely wouldn't introduce her to someone who was still in a dating site. Does this make sense?

I guess I am asking at what stage should I expect an exclusivity talk?

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ALittleStranger · 04/02/2014 19:32

Hmm, to be fair I don't exactly have a great benchmark for men in their 50s. May ask HQ to delete.

MadeMan · 04/02/2014 19:33

@Lahti It's probably a bit too soon for you both to be exclusive and although you say he seems keen (maybe too keen after a month or so?), your post doesn't really say anything that suggests you feel quite the same about him yet.

Santaclaws · 04/02/2014 19:34

lahti I know what you mean as this is the thing that bothers me as regards online dating tbh, when should you expect them to take down all profiles? Not sure really and I don't think we can ever really be sure they've taken everything down. Difficult one

blossom definately loo update please

Lahti · 04/02/2014 19:36

Thanks mademan you're right. Him being so keen automatically makes me think he's either a bit needy or maybe a player. It's difficult to know.

OneDayWhenIGrowUp · 04/02/2014 20:54

Text (b) sent

lahti persponally I'd say the exclusivity conversation happens when it feels right for you personally. Have already discussed it with my Niceguy as it came up naturally in the conversation. But for others would want to wait longer. Do you want this relationship to be exclusive?

Lahti · 04/02/2014 21:35

Hi all and thanks for your replies. I don't so much mind him keeping his profile up, but he is the one who has said he wished he had met me earlier, he always rings when he says he will, quickly organises dates and is asking about future plans. He says that he isn't interested in dating anyone else and removed his paid site profile when his subs ran out. This all sounds lovely and I want to believe him, but if he isn't interested in dating others why keep any profiles up? It's like his actions and words don't match. I'm not dating anyone and neither do I plan to as 1 I like this guy and 2 quite frankly I haven't got the time. I may be making a mountain out of a molehill, but past experiences have made me cynical.

FolkGirl · 04/02/2014 21:35

So I went to counselling again today.

I thought I had a pretty good insight into myself already, but talking and hearing the counsellor reflect on what I've said, telling me what she heard is proving to be really interesting. I feel like every time I go, more things are clicking into place, which is good, but at the same time, it seems like the more I work through, the more stuff that comes up and the more overwhelmed I feel by it all.

I have so many years worth of negative feelings towards/thoughts about myself from my parents and these have just been reinforced by the bad relationship choices I've made. I've only really been aware that I've been making these bad choices recently because I look for relationships that fit the model I'm used to which is one that regards me as worthless. I knew it really, well I realised it recently, but the counsellor also said I only see evidence in the world that reinforces my view of it as a hostile place that doesn't value me so I only see things through that filter.

I feel like I only attract abusive/damaged men. She suggested that it might not be that I only attract those men, but that I only recognise their behaviours as being part of a meaningful relationship. So perhaps I wouldn't notice if a decent and good man was interested, I certainly don't think I'm worthy of a good and decent man. Or rather, I think a good and decent man could probably do a lot better than me on account of them being a good and decent man. Does that make sense? Is that the same thing? It's quite interesting though.

I think that's part of what has been driving me mad with the man I'm seeing. He's so lovely and everything (but obviously not perfect!) but I really have no idea whether the way he is is because he's just not abusive and is genuinely nice, or whether he's just not really interested. It really could be either. Is he just taking the piss when he's being so lovely and saying all these lovely things? But then, why would he do that? What benefit would there be to him?

She's made me realise just how hardened I am. She asked me to describe the real me, who I see when I look in the mirror and I couldn't. I don't really know. I said I could write a pen portrait of myself - what I do, what I believe, values, interests, achievements, but we both agreed that that would be an intellectual exercise and even though on paper, I think I look like a reasonably worthwhile person, it doesn't even begin to touch me emotionally.

She said she is confident that I will be able to change how I think/feel but it just feels so big and I'm a bit intimidated by it as it starts to unfold. At the moment, I can see me having a greater insight into it all, but not how I will be able to feel differently.

Sorry this is long. I was just musing really.

OneDayWhenIGrowUp · 04/02/2014 21:53

Folk witter on, it all sounds really positive. I found it interesting reading, as someone who has never been through counselling (although definitely would have benefitted at times!) to read how it is helping you. Go Folkgirl Smile!

Ugh Mr Camera is trying to draw me into a conversation. What did I get up to at the weekend? Shall wait until tomorrow to send a lacklustre response. Slightly tempting to reply ''spent 60 hours straight with gorgeous lovely new man'' but that would probably be inappropriate. Just get on and ask me out already so I can turn you down! Heh.

ALittleStranger · 04/02/2014 22:02

Folkgirl that sounds super interesting and I think if you can push through with it, it will be really useful. Remember it's meant to be uncomfortable, but the reason you can do it now is because you're in a stronger place and have the resources to start picking yourself apart a bit, knowing you can pull it all back together.

I suspect I'm a bit like you in that I think I know my flaws and neurosis quite well, but actually we have such a blinkered view of the world it's incredibly useful to have someone else step in and force us to probe a bit more, look at new evidence and turn some of our accepted thinking on its head.

I feel like I only attract abusive/damaged men. She suggested that it might not be that I only attract those men, but that I only recognise their behaviours as being part of a meaningful relationship. So perhaps I wouldn't notice if a decent and good man was interested, I certainly don't think I'm worthy of a good and decent man. Or rather, I think a good and decent man could probably do a lot better than me on account of them being a good and decent man. Does that make sense? Is that the same thing? It's quite interesting though.

Hmm it sounds like there's two things going on here. 1) You don't think you're worthy of a good man and see his interest as a character flaw, but also 2) you only really value the approaches of someone who isn't decent. Is she suggesting that you can't pick up on the type of advances that someone who would be a healthy partner would make? I've heard it argued before that women who say they only attract abusive men really, really don't; it's just that non-abusive men will pick up on their natural defensiveness given past bad experiences and back off, whereas abusive men will plough on through the boundaries.

OneDayWhenIGrowUp · 04/02/2014 22:09

it's just that non-abusive men will pick up on their natural defensiveness given past bad experiences and back off, whereas abusive men will plough on through the boundaries.

That's really really interesting - as is seeing someone's interest in you as a character flaw - I guess that's what we were saying with thinking people are too nice/too good for us - they must be too needy because they are showing that they are interested in us, rather than treating us like sh#t.

WE ARE THE PRIZE(S), PEOPLE!

OneDayWhenIGrowUp · 04/02/2014 22:09

Apologies for the shouting. It was more of a battle cry, really.

FolkGirl · 04/02/2014 22:10

Doesn't feel hugely positive at the moment, OneDay but I think it's probably all moving in the right direction. Smile

I still can't shake the feeling that I ought to just be single. Certainly what I've got with the man I'm seeing is sort of almost more than I'm capable of.

I like him, he likes me. We like being with each other. I'm confident 'love' won't come into it and that suits me fine. But I feel like I need to keep saying that to remind myself not to fall for him.

As far as Mr Camera goes, I wouldn't leave it. I would reply with something now that lets him know that you're not interested.

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