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The relationship with my mum is hanging by a thread. Can anyone please help?

126 replies

FamilyIssues234 · 31/12/2013 01:27

Im not going to use the MN abbreviations as Im halfish tempted to show this to my mum, if I think it will help rather than hinder the situation.

Bit of background is needed to make the current situation clear.

My mum and I have always been very close, she was always more of a best friend and I absolutely adored her as a kid but particularly in mu teens and 20's. Theres nothing I couldnt discuss with her, spoke with her regular and generally had an excellent relationship and all round good laugh. My folks split when I was 16.

My mum met her husband I guess, about 8 years ago now, they moved in and married in the last 2-3 years.

2 Christmases ago I was 20 weeks pregnant with my second son. I split with his dad (father of my first son) the day I found out. This was not my choice.
I also moved out of a not-so-great area to a much nicer one, and my mum was amazing and lent me 2.6k to move. She told me on no uncertain terms not to tell her husband as he is very controlling with money.

I had my 20 week scan a couple of days before Christmas. On the way back my ex flipped out, screamed and shouted at me about nothing and everything, threatened to hit me, at which point I was sobbing and bolted out the car towards moving traffic liked a prized dick but I was pregnant, threatened and upset.

I called my mum and she told me to gather everything together and get the train up to hers (is 2-3 hours away by train) so I did.

Her husband picked me up from the station and was quite off with me. When we got in, he was going on and on about how broke my mum was which I found odd. Kept bringing it up over and over again, then mentioned how her credit card was maxed out and the penny dropped. She had told him. I felt sick, he was making me feel like a proper bastard for borrowing the money. Again and a-fucking-gain. I need to press at this point, that in no way did her lending me money affect his finances. It was very much money I borrowed from my mum, not from him or even them. Something I was, and still am very very grateful for.

I stayed a few days and after Christmas passed I was about to go and get the train home with my 3 year old and I started bleeding. I asked my mum to take me to the hospital and she was mental. Screaming and shouting, so once again I was crying and had a crying 3 year old hanging off me.

In hind sight I think the above might have something to do with the husband/money fiasco because she is usually a lovely, caring person.

So then I was dropped like a hot potato, no calls or texts, and calls I gave were cut short 'got to go!' Or just ignored completely (never answered her phone to me on a weekend).

Then I realised in over 2 years, she had only called me two times and I wondered what Id done. The relationship was fucked as far as I was concerned so I sent her an email wondering what went wrong, accepting the relationship was screwed but I needed closure.

She sent and email back asking what I wanted, I just said I wanted to talk.

So we did. On a weekly basis, a set day she calls me and its been great! I feel like Im beginning to know my mum again after she became a complete stranger for a few years.

However, it has been made clear by her husband that Im no longer allowed to stay over at their house when we travel up there for Christmas etc.

I asked her why this Christmas after it became uncomfortably obvious that there was an issue between her husband and myself. She said when I sent the email, she showed him and was pissed off because it showed I didnt respect him.

I just read the email back tonight because I cant sleep as I cant get thus issue out my head, and the only mention of him is "After you married [husband] our chats understandable dwindled...." Then no mention or reference to or about him for the rest of the email. It was clear in context that a meant, new relationships take up your time.

Why is has taken such offence to that is beyond me.

My issue now is, I no longer feel welcome at all in their home. I dont want to go there and theres bi-yearly gatherings that take place there. And her husband clearly has beef with me.

I dont particularly like someone who makes me feel repetitively shit for borrowing money (which I paid a large amount off straight away, and this time last year owed £100), tells my mum that all her children rely on her too much, takes offence to something that is totally inoffensive and basically says Im banned from staying at their house, and presumably doesnt particularly like me being there at all, because according to him 'I dint respect him' because of what I wrote of him in the email.

Sorry this is long, and seemingly petty perhaps but its putting a strain on mine and my mums relationship and from this point onwards I fully, and totally blame her husband for it.

I didnt before, but I very much do now and I can only see things getting worse.

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muddylettuce · 31/12/2013 09:35

He's jealous of you. I had the same problem with my mum's partner. For 12 years they lived together but his children were always treated differently, favoured over my two brothers and I. My mum has split from him this year because he started to become jealous about her grandchildren, even saying they could not come to the house. She'd been trying to leave for years but he was emotionally abusive and kept reeling her back, so this was the straw that broke the camel's back.
I think your mum might be in the same situation...
I don't really know what to suggest, except talk to your mum, let her know you're upset and why. She might be feeling the same but is probably trying to appease him. Any attempt I made to challenge my mum's partner ended up in a row so I wouldn't recommend that. He's unlikely to be amenable because of course, he knows best.

FamilyIssues234 · 31/12/2013 09:38

I would never approach him. The argument would be explosive and not al all helpful.

Im not sure about the jealously thing, but Im sorry to hear you and your mum had a hard time too. It really sucks doesnt it?
I say its not jealously but I couldnt tell you what it was.

Its something and there is more to this but Im buggered if I know what.

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SantasPelvicFloor · 31/12/2013 09:40

If you were in an abusive relationship, your DH was pressuring you to reduce contact with your mum and constantly being negative about her to the point that you reduced contact rather than face the wrath... What would you want your mum to do?

That's what you should do.

She was the for you. Now, be there for her.

FamilyIssues234 · 31/12/2013 09:41

I wasnt going to put this, but Im not going to show this to her now so I guess I can just say it.

As far as I know this has only happened once but he hit her once.

Three times during that 'once' too.

Slapped her hard round the face so her face was burning and her ear was ringing.

She swore to me this is the only time its ever happened.

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FamilyIssues234 · 31/12/2013 09:42

That santa is a very good point well made.

I really appreciate you putting it that way. Thats made me think.

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FunkyBoldRibena · 31/12/2013 09:43

Yeah, like I said. She is in an abusive relationship.

FutureDreamer · 31/12/2013 09:43

Presumably she rings you at a set time in the week because her DH is out and therefore doesn't know she has contact with you.

SantasPelvicFloor · 31/12/2013 09:44

Put yourself in your mothers shoes. Abused women stay because their whole understanding of 'making things right' has been twisted by the abuser. They fail to see the abuse but focus on their own failings and assume its down to them to fix it. Bolster your mums self esteem. Tell her how precious she is to you and your DC. Ensure her that no matter what you will always stand by her.

FamilyIssues234 · 31/12/2013 09:44

Yes.

She is. Isnt she.

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FunkyBoldRibena · 31/12/2013 09:44

If you can get her to your house you could maybe talk about the future and see what her reaction is. Best/worst case scenario she doesn't go back.

FamilyIssues234 · 31/12/2013 09:45

furture she rings me on a set day at a set time, yes.

But as far as Im aware, he is there.

Apparently she is never on her own in the house. Ever.

She struggles with this. She hates that she has no time on her own.

Im beginning to wonder whether he read her email, rather than she showed him the email....

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SauceForTheGander · 31/12/2013 09:46

This sounds terrible. He hits her?

Is there really only ever once?

SantasPelvicFloor · 31/12/2013 09:47

Her belief in herself has been eroded. Until she can accept that she is not the problem she won't be able to leap that invisible hurdle to realise what the problem is.

The hurdle exists as self worth, financial fears, 'where will I live', what will the neighbours say, he's not well...he's stressed...he needs me, I can't cope alone, my family don't want me. Little steps. Erode those thoughts a little bit at a time

Dwinhofficoffi · 31/12/2013 09:48

It sounds like your Mum has been ground down by emotional abuse.

I would say your hunch about him reading her email is probably right. What would he do if you turned up without warning and took you Mum out for the day?

FamilyIssues234 · 31/12/2013 09:50

He would not like it.

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FunkyBoldRibena · 31/12/2013 09:53

So pretty much everything was fine until she did what comes naturally and told you to use hers as a bolthole whilst you sorted stuff out. This is because it invaded his territory and has become what, quite rightly, is you figuring all this out. The more you try and contact her the more he will control it. You absolutely have to have a way of getting her out so that you can speak to her without him there.

How many brothers have you got? Does he ever work or go away with work? Does she work?

FunkyBoldRibena · 31/12/2013 09:56

Has she got any best friends/brothers/sisters etc etc - is she still in touch with your dad? Can anyone else help you here?

FamilyIssues234 · 31/12/2013 09:59

Theres a local pub just 4-5 mins walk from mine. Im going to invite her down and will offer to pay for her to stay there the night so we can go out and have a drink together and talk.

I feel I could discuss it with her very very carefully without causing a row, if we were on neutral relaxed territory.

Whether she would actually come though......?

I have two brothers. He doesnt work. He was some director or a huge company in which he earned hundreds of thousands of pounds a year and as far as I know, has retired. He never works or goes away. He never leaves her alone in the house.

She works yes. Full time.

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FamilyIssues234 · 31/12/2013 10:01

No one can help, no.

I dont think she really has any friends any more. Any she speaks of are couple friends she knows through him or as a couple.

She has a sister but they arent close.

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FunkyBoldRibena · 31/12/2013 10:02

Ok if she works then you can call her at work and arrange to ring her in her lunchtimes 'just thinking about you mum and thought I'd call you at work, what time do you have lunch and I'll call you back'.

FunkyBoldRibena · 31/12/2013 10:02

You can't force her all you can do is help her with some ways of getting out. It's not an intervention but an invitation.

2468Motorway · 31/12/2013 10:03

Invite her down. She what she says.

I feel very sad for you both, what a horrid situation. Even with the abusive relationship I would find it hard to completely forgive the lack of concern, but perhaps you are a better person than me.

It's not the same but my mum has MH issues and it has made her behave in a way that she never would have before. No matter how many times I say 'it's the illness not her' I still feel let down. God I know that sounds shit and I sound like a brat. It's possible to feel sympathetic and concerned and also feel disappointed at the way things are.

Dwinhofficoffi · 31/12/2013 10:04

It's good that she works. If she would not come to the pub ... Could you meet her say a Friday lunchtime or something? Don't give up on her.

FunkyBoldRibena · 31/12/2013 10:07

I have to say I'd be up there and surprise her at lunchtime one day for some pub grub.

FamilyIssues234 · 31/12/2013 10:08

Fuck. I think I have proof that he read her emails, rather than she showed him.

I realised after the initial email I sent her, which wasnt offensive to the husband at all, she asked me what I wanted from her and she will try and do it. I said I just wanted to talk to her, know her again.

I also put this "It was fine before you married [him], I always wondered if it was his influence. I know he didnt like you lending me money. It all went wrong from that point."

Theres no way she would have showed him that email. What good would have come from her showing him that email??

He read it.

He blatantly fucking read it.

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