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Ex may have been snooping round my house for a decade. What to do now?

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anotherrandomusername · 29/12/2013 05:20

Long post, sorry.

Somewhere between five and ten years ago (I'm terrible with dates) I gave my ex a key to the back door of my house in case of emergencies.

Shortly after he called round, and because he wasn't expected; I was in the bathroom and my son was playing upstairs, the door wasn't answered immediately so he just let himself in through the back - not an emergency situation. I was annoyed and asked for the key back. He giggled and handed it over.

The laughing was a red flag, and I should have said something, but ever since he'd learnt about my mother's serious mental illness (schizophrenia) he would use it against me. I knew he would have told me I was paranoid, and turning into my mother. It was a big fear for me, and he played on it to control me. I believe they call it gaslighting? Anyway, it crossed my mind he may have had a copy made, but at that time I had got used to being told I was paranoid and crazy that I couldn't say anything.

I remember being vigilant for a while, but nothing happened and I decided I must have been over-reacting. I would sometimes feel like someone had been in the house after coming back from a weekend away, but of course that was me being silly and paranoid so I just brushed it off.

A few months ago I was sitting at the table overlooking our front window. I saw my ex open the gate, then walk straight down the side of the house towards the back garden. At the back were signs of life, the kitchen window was open, there was food cooking, etc. He came back round to the front door and knocked, and just said 'Oh hi, I thought you said you were out today?' We had a short conversation about our son and he left. I was thinking about it for ages and it took the best part of a day to go from general WTF thoughts to realizing that he was possibly going to let himself into the house and may have had a key all that time (I have at least aspects of an autistic spectrum disorder if not actual high functioning autism, and sometimes it takes me a while to work out my reaction to something out of the ordinary.)

I didn't know what to do. I started leaving a key turned in the back door when I went out, and again, started convincing myself I must be in the wrong. Because of my family history I can never talk to anyone about this kind of thing, for fear they will just think I'm going insane. I'm already a near 100% introvert (I've done the tests!) and a depressive which doesn't seem to compute with my family. I don't want to hand them more gossip on a platter.

Early on Boxing Day morning I heard a crash downstairs. Because I live alone with a vulnerable son, I had got in the habit of leaning something heavyish against the living room/kitchen door when I went to bed, the idea being that if it fell, someone had broken in and I could shut myself in my sons room and call the police. It used to be an ironing board, for the last year it's been a large rectangular piece of thick glass, which used to be the top of a coffee table. It used to give me peace of mind when I was nervous living alone, now it's just habit. I had gone to bed the night before, settled our foster cat in his bed in the kitchen, shut the door and propped the glass there, and went to bed.

When I heard the noise I sat up in bed too scared to move, and listened out for any sounds that meant I should call the police. Because I was sleepy I wondered if maybe the cat knocked something over, etc. After 10-15 minutes I went downstairs. Our foster cat was in the living room, the door was slightly ajar, and the glass was not only flat on the carpet, but partly pushed under the rug. I was trying to work it out for ages. The glass couldn't have slipped and got wedged under the rug, it would just have fallen straight onto the rug. The cat is nowhere near strong enough to have opened the door, even if he could have jumped up and turned the doorknob. My son was upstairs and on the rare occasion he does come downstairs he just moves the glasstop out of the way, he doesn't put it back at the door. It could only have fallen when someone opened the door from the other side, and then presumably was moved about as the person tried to pick it back up, or move it out of the way.

I've thought about it since it happened, and it must have been my ex letting himself into the house. I'm really upset about this, I haven't been able to sleep tonight. Our last foster cat didn't like to sleep in the kitchen so for 7-8 months that glass wasn't there. Could he have been creeping round the house then too? And WHY? The house is usually upside down. It's been getting better because I am treating myself for a thyroid condition and actually have energy for the first time in years, but I wouldn't know if he's stolen things, at times my house has been a candidate for 'Hoarders'. Things go missing in the clutter - or do they? (See - me sounding paranoid!) I'm convinced I'm right about this though. 2 + 2 + 2 must equal 6, right? I badly want to talk to someone in my real life but I don't know if they would take me seriously.

And I'm so pissed off because he has always been free to come into my house and see his son whenever he liked, and drop off his princely £10 a week maintenance. I feel violated, for want of a better word.

What do I do?

On a practical level, I've ordered a new cylinder lock for the back door - I wish I'd gone out and bought one, but I'm nervous to leave the house now. I'll feel much happier once that's fitted. I should have done it years ago, I didn't know they were so cheap and easy to fit.

What do I say to my ex? He will either try and convince me I've gone crazy (at least he can't threaten to take my son away now he's 17), or he will laugh it off as if it's no big deal.

I want to say that if I see him at my door again I will report him to the police - but what do I do about my son? He has autism and he's very anxious in general, also depressive. If I tell him this stuff about his Dad he will be so upset. But if I don't give him a reason for stopping his Dad coming to the house he will think I'm being cruel to his Dad, which his Dad will encourage.

Is this actually a big deal, or am I being over sensitive? Is there a chance I could have it all wrong?

I am expecting a bright and breezy phonecall from him any day now (he's always extra cheerful when he thinks I may be pissed off, like a pre-emptive strike), he'll be asking to come over and see our son's Christmas presents. And that's what our son will want too. I just feel sick over this.

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Jaynebxl · 29/12/2013 07:22

Don't even tell your ex that you've changed the locks. He doesn't need to know. If he discovers it for himself then you will know he has been using a key he shouldn't have and all you need to say is how do you know? If he really pushes it and you want to give an explanation you can just say the old lock got stuck. I would then try to just carry on letting him see your son but encourage him to do so at his home not yours.

AmandaCooper · 29/12/2013 07:26

I would call the Police OP. Just because you originally gave your ex a key doesn't mean he has your permission to come and go at your home forever more. You took the key back which is a very clear indication that you were withdrawing the invitation to your home.

At the very least, the Police could come to your home and do a home security check. You may be eligible to have some security features installed for free, if there is an active scheme in your area. The Police can advise on which locks to use and general home security.

If your ex is entering your home without proper permission and taking even small items away with him, that is burglary; an extremely serious offence with the aggravating features that it is an occupied dwelling house at night. How dare this man casually come into your house like this taking the chance of frightening you and his own son out of your wits?
It is quite clear from your OP that you would be far better off with this man completely removed from your lives.

SoWhatDoWeDoNow · 29/12/2013 07:28

I agree, don't tell him. You'll find out the truth soon enough - if he can't get in whenever he likes and he's frustrated he won't be able to resist dropping hints and asking questions to get to the bottom of it.

shabbiegurl · 29/12/2013 07:31

Re: neighbours you wouldn't be asking them if they've seen ex snooping around you would be asking them if they've seen anyone hanging around chances are they'll say oh just ex & that gives you an opening to say Ive asked him not to use the back could you let me know if you seee him or any one else hanging around and by neighbours you should be thinking opposite/diagonal/behind as well as next door.

Re: worrying about what your ex says to your ds can you not have the conversation with your son before that its important to be out & about esp given history depression that it stops getting stuck in a rut at home & equally important to maintain relationship with dad without you being present especially now he's older there maybe somethings he might feel better discussing with Dad and thats its equally important for you to have some you time

Re: worrying about gossip you really need to worry less imo nothing will fester into something if you stress long enough.

AmandaCooper · 29/12/2013 07:32

"why didn't you put a bolt on the back door, or change the locks then?"

Not particularly helpful, Strawberrykisses.

shabbiegurl · 29/12/2013 07:41

I don't think it particulary helpful suggesting OP needs to remove this man from her sons life I didnt read original post as raising any alarms for son's safety or detrimental to his well being in anyway ... if OP had serious concerns about anyones safety she would have gone to police by now.

DeckSwabber · 29/12/2013 07:51

You don't need to explain yourself at all, to anyone. If you want to improve your security, that doesn't need to be justified.

DeckSwabber · 29/12/2013 07:52

And if you suspect intruders again, call the police.

SirSugar · 29/12/2013 08:06

I also remember this from some time ago, have you posted about this before OP?

FunkyBoldRibena · 29/12/2013 08:16

Even if you have got any kind of illness, it still does not give him the right to come into house.

I'd report it and get the locks changed. I'd not tell my son beforehand, dismay that someone has come into the house and not mention the ex until you suddenly realise during the conversation that yes, he did have a key but you took it off him a while back.

FunkyBoldRibena · 29/12/2013 08:17

Just say

Not

Dismay

FunkyBoldRibena · 29/12/2013 08:18

And I'd start with making sure your ex doesn't come into you house again full stop. Why isn't he going to his dads for contact? Make that happen as of today.

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GoldfishCrackers · 29/12/2013 08:33

It sounds like you have good grounds to suspect that your ex has been letting himself in.
Giving him a key for emergencies and then taking it back off him in no way muddies the waters about whether it not he has (or ever had) permission to enter your house without your permission.
Your worries about your mental health have been encouraged by your ex for his own purposes: cruelty and power over you.
If it were me, I would:
Talk to the police. Do not mention your fears if sounding paranoid/inheriting your mother's illness. Stick to the facts about the key, the ex and the knocked over glass.
Change front and back locks
Don't tell your ex why you've changed them.
Do not let your ex know your plans - no chit chat, no calendars on display.
Stop contact in your house. Your ex can collect DS from you and take him out or to his.
Your ex is not your friend. At the very least he has been torturing you with the fear you are mentally ill, with the intention of keeping you second-guessing yourself. And possibly breaking in and stalking you in your own home. I don't know what's worse.
You sound so unhappy about this. Get angry about this and get support in standing up to him.

GoldfishCrackers · 29/12/2013 08:35

And if I heard a crash and swearing from the bathroom, I'd stop talking too - not because I thought the person was mad and talking to herself, but to make sure she wasn't hurt etc.

RandomMess · 29/12/2013 08:41

I'm glad you are going to change all the locks - best explanation to anyone else is that you've lost a bunch of keys Wink Your ex won't ever mention it because how would he know that his key doesn't work anymore if there is never an emergency - in fact he doesn't even officially have one anymore!!!!

It sounds highly likely he has been in your house and has taken things. I don't think you will have any evidence though. Do you think you can just let that drop.

Do not trust your ex as has been said he isn't your friend. How often does he see your son and what do they usually do during contact time?

dozeydoris · 29/12/2013 09:58

Gosh, please find something else to prop against the door, a sheet of glass sounds a really bad idea.

Get some old fashioned bolts put on the doors for when you are home alone. No one can tamper with them from the outside of the house by any method and if you want to get out in a hurry you just unbolt them, don't need to search for a key.

anotherrandomusername · 29/12/2013 10:08

Yes, that was my original thread. I was worried about outing myself, though I suppose I've given more than enough detail in this thread anyway.

I know the glass is not the safest thing, it was just there. It's stored safely, but I was worried about over what order the glass fell and the cat entered the living room. I suppose it's done its job now anyway.

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BeCool · 29/12/2013 10:19

I would ban him from the house. Permanently.
Your DS is 17 - more than old enough to go to his Dad's for a visit.

anotherrandomusername · 29/12/2013 10:20

OK, so general consensus is to change the locks, and not tell them why, just say that contact will take place outside the house from now on?

I think that's probably for the best. This is too much to put on DS, his DF is not a great father, but as I said, I've gone to effort to never badmouth him. I think DS will work him out in the future anyway. Contact mostly took place at my house because my ex is a lazy sod who took early retirement and does nothing, yet seeing his DS is always an afterthought. It's literally always 'a flying visit'. So they'll see each other a lot less now, but that's down to him, not me.

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BeCool · 29/12/2013 10:25

yes it is down to him! His responsibility.

Once you change things and stop him coming to the home he (and your DS) can figure out how they can do things a little differently together. It's completely possible and easy - he will just have to stop taking the piss out of you.

AmandaCooper · 29/12/2013 10:31

I didnt read original post as raising any alarms for son's safety or detrimental to his well being in anyway ...

Really? I see burgling the house where your own child is sleeping as a bit of a red flag. He is taking the risk that his child will wake up and hear an intruder in the house - he wouldn't know who it was; he would be terrified and it could easily lead to a serious accident, he might try to climb out of a window. Even if he is just trespassing and not stealing anything it is seriously weird and risky behaviour.

owlbegoingmerrily · 29/12/2013 10:32

Something that I thought having read the post...
You said that you used to have an ironing board then the glass propped up against the door but for around 7 months you didn't.
Could he have known about this system? Could your DS have told him? How long has it been since you've started doing that again?
Could he have opened the door thus making the noise to make you question yourself?
I hope when you've changed the locks you feel more secure Thanks

anotherrandomusername · 29/12/2013 10:33

Thanks! I'm just now realizing the irony - that he probably spent more time in the house when we weren't in it... Angry

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