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"But We Took You To Stately Homes!" - Survivors of Dysfunctional Families

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DontstepontheBaubles · 18/12/2013 20:27

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It's December 2013, and the Stately Home is still open to visitors.

Forerunning threads:
December 2007
March 2008
August 2008
February 2009
May 2009
January 2010
April 2010
August 2010
March 2011
November 2011
January 2012
November 2012
January 2013
March 2013
August 2013

Please check later posts in this thread for links & quotes. The main thing is: "they did do it to you" - and you can recover.


Welcome to the Stately Homes Thread.

This is a long running thread which was originally started up by 'pages' see original thread here (December 2007)

So this thread originates from that thread and has become a safe haven for Adult children of abusive families.

One thing you will never hear on this thread is that your abuse or experience was not that bad. You will never have your feelings minimised the way they were when you were a child, or now that you are an adult. To coin the phrase of a much respected past poster Ally90;

'Nobody can judge how sad your childhood made you, even if you wrote a novel on it, only you know that. I can well imagine any of us saying some of the seemingly trivial things our parents/ siblings did to us to many of our real life acquaintances and them not understanding why we were upset/ angry/ hurt etc. And that is why this thread is here. It's a safe place to vent our true feelings, validate our childhood/ lifetime experiences of being hurt/ angry etc by our parents behaviour and to get support for dealing with family in the here and now.'

Most new posters generally start off their posts by saying; but it wasn't that bad for me or my experience wasn't as awful as x,y or z's. 

Some on here have been emotionally abused and/ or physically abused. Some are not sure what category (there doesn't have to be any) they fall into.

NONE of that matters. What matters is how 'YOU' felt growing up, how 'YOU' feel now and a chance to talk about how and why those childhood experiences and/ or current parental contact, has left you feeling damaged, falling apart from the inside out and stumbling around trying to find your sense of self-worth. 

You might also find the following links and information useful, if you have come this far and are still not sure whether you belong here or not.

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0553814826/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0553814826&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1943011-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">'Toxic Parents' by Susan Forward.</a>

I started with this book and found it really useful.

Here are some excerpts:

"Once you get going, most toxic parents will counterattack. After all, if they had the capacity to listen, to hear, to be reasonable, to respect your feelings, and to promote your independence, they wouldn't be toxic parents. They will probably perceive your words as treacherous personal assaults. They will tend to fall back on the same tactics and defences that they have always used, only more so.

Remember, the important thing is not their reaction but your response. If you can stand fast in the face of your parents' fury, accusations, threats and guilt-peddling, you will experience your finest hour.

Here are some typical parental reactions to confrontation:

"It never happened". Parents who have used denial to avoid their own feelings of inadequacy or anxiety, will undoubtedly use it during confrontation, to promote their version of reality. They'll insist that your allegations never happened, or that you're exaggerating. They won't remember, or they will accuse you of lying.

YOUR RESPONSE: Just because you don't remember, doesn't mean it didn't happen".

"It was your fault." Toxic parents are almost never willing to accept responsibility for their destructive behaviour. Instead, they will blame you. They will say that you were bad, or that you were difficult. They will claim that they did the best that they could but that you always created problems for them. They will say that you drove them crazy. They will offer as proof, the fact that everybody in the family knew what a problem you were. They will offer up a laundry list of your alleged offences against them.

YOUR RESPONSE: "You can keep trying to make this my fault, but I'm not going to accept the responsibility for what you did to me, when I was a child".

"I said I was sorry what more do you want?" Some parents may acknowledge a few of the things that you say but be unwilling to do anything about it.

YOUR RESPONSE: "I appreciate your apology, but that is just a beginning. If you're truly sorry, you'll work through this with me, to make a better relationship."

"We did the best we could." Some parents will remind you of how tough they had it while you were growing up and how hard they struggled. They will say such things as "You'll never understand what I was going through," or "I did the best I could". This particular style of response will often stir up a lot of sympathy and compassion for your parents. This is understandable, but it makes it difficult for you to remain focused on what you need to say in your confrontation. The temptation is for you once again to put their needs ahead of your own. It is important that you be able to acknowledge their difficulties, without invalidating your own.

YOUR RESPONSE: "I understand that you had a hard time, and I'm sure that you didn't hurt me on purpose, but I need you to understand that the way you dealt with your problems really did hurt me"

"Look what we did for you." Many parents will attempt to counter your assertions by recalling the wonderful times you had as a child and the loving moments you and they shared. By focusing on the good things, they can avoid looking at the darker side of their behaviour. Parents will typically remind you of gifts they gave you, places they took you, sacrifices they made for you, and thoughtful things they did. They will say things like, "this is the thanks we get" or "nothing was ever enough for you."

YOUR RESPONSE: "I appreciate those things very much, but they didn't make up for ...."

"How can you do this to me?" Some parents act like martyrs. They'll collapse into tears, wring their hands, and express shock and disbelief at your "cruelty". They will act as if your confrontation has victimized them. They will accuse you of hurting them, or disappointing them. They will complain that they don't need this, they have enough problems. They will tell you that they are not strong enough or healthy enough to take this, that the heartache will kill them. Some of their sadness will, of course, be genuine. It is sad for parents to face their own shortcomings, to realise that they have caused their children significant pain. But their sadness can also be manipulative and controlling. It is their way of using guilt to try to make you back down from the confrontation.

YOUR RESPONSE: "I'm sorry you're upset. I'm sorry you're hurt. But I'm not willing to give up on this. I've been hurting for a long time, too."

Helpful Websites

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.alice-miller.com/index_en.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alice Miller</a>

<a class="break-all" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Personality Disorders definition</a>

More helpful links:

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Daughters of narcissistic mothers</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://outofthefog.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Out of the FOG</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/disp_9408_a.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">You carry the cure in your own heart</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.havoca.org/HAVOCA_home.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Help for adult children of child abuse</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.pete-walker.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Pete Walker</a>

Some books:

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0749910542/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0749910542&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1943011-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Homecoming</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1439129436/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=1439129436&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1943011-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Will I ever be good enough?</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0060929324/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0060929324&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1943011-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">If you had controlling parents</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0385304234/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0385304234&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1943011-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">When you and your mother can't be friends</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1572245611/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=1572245611&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1943011-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Children of the self-absorbed</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0671701355/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0671701355&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1943011-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Recovery of your inner child</a>

This final quote is from smithfield posting as therealsmithfield: 

"I'm sure the other posters will be along shortly to add anything they feel I have left out. I personally don't claim to be sorted but I will say my head has become a helluva lot straighter since I started posting here. You will receive a lot of wisdom but above all else the insights and advice given will 'always' be delivered with warmth and support."

Happy Posting
OP posts:
Hissy · 08/01/2014 16:44

Looking FGS, you don't have to go out with people you don't want to see. Cancel the group thing and arrange to go out another time with DB!

If Child care is an issue, invite him round to yours and cook him something nice.

Hissy · 08/01/2014 16:46

Dontstep DontBother!

Sorry to hear about your DD, keep an eye on her, concussion can be a funny one. good to hear that she has a big bump, as that means the impact is coming out, not going in. My DS cracked his head a while ago, a dent, no bump. He wasn't himself for a few weeks!

pumpkinsweetie · 08/01/2014 21:49

Thankyou for all the congratulations everyone, me & baby are finally homeSmile

On a bad note though it seems ils have already found outConfused, dh hasn't admitted it to me but i have seen his phone flash up with texts from mil and he has read them and not told me. Tbh i cannot deal with this right now and am quite annoyed he may have told her of the birth as there really isn't any other way of them to have found out as they are not on my FB anymore, and the one il i have on their is limited threads, baby ones she defo wouldn't have seen, of which there are 2 on there.

Will have to check and see what is going on when i'm ready and be ready for another day in preparation for saying the word no and why..

Hissy · 08/01/2014 21:56

Now littlepumpkin's here, that number can be changed eh? His phone can go off too.

Don't forget, everyone that knows you will know that sooner or later there will be a baby. She could be just fishing.

Bedtime1 · 09/01/2014 05:51

Hope you all had a peaceful Christmas.

Well gifts wise it went a little weird. I unwrapped the original ones I had bought for my mum and her bf and threw the card in bin. ( Never done that before) But then my sister who lives away came up and we met up in a cafe with her partner and kids and she brought younger sister as shed been at mums before she came to meet me. Younger sister wanted to come back to my house so I gave in and let her as I did want to give her her gifts, even though she lived with my mum and often acts just like her and as an accomplice. Then she gave me these gifts that my mum sent down . Mainly money. Therefore I felt bad as I had nothing to give so I scrambled round when sister was in other room and sent a bottle of wine and a few bits of chocolate etc that I didn't want and then I wrote another card from a spare pack I had last year .
Then I gave it to sister before she went home ? What are your thoughts ?

Anyway everything gone quiet and silent. Texts and everything. Though she did say thanks for gifts and wished me a happy new year and that she hoped we could sort things out in new year, but the tone was more its both our faults not hers. When I feel it is all her fault . Yes I've not been nice in some of arguments but then I'm not the one sending nasty texts and saying she's doing things wrong all of the time.
The less I hear from her the more I think what was that all about. All texts, all drama, all digging. Jealousy etc its hard to see things when your so involved .
I feel sad but also better for no texts. I also feel strange like what happens now?what does this silence mean now? Is that it?

I'm still getting a new phone therefore no text messages. I think the worst thing is texts and Facebook . As they can really get to you that way. If I go back to the old fashioned way of just the house phone I think it will be a bit better.

Bedtime1 · 09/01/2014 05:53

Congratulations pumpkin .

pumpkinsweetie · 09/01/2014 09:16

Quite upset hissy, it turns out he told her, she didn't "find out" as i suspected Sad. I asked him last night and he said that yes he told her, as she is his mumConfused

Then it transpires the texts are more or less the same shit. One of them says "oh great another one i won't see" & "i still have xmas/bday pressies here, they probably won't fit now"
Ffs cannot deal with this in the midst of having a new baby & i hope i'm not going to have a fight on my hands with dhSad

pumpkinsweetie · 09/01/2014 09:49

And to make matters worse he also announced the news to sil1, whos message has pissed me off "well done daddy", ffs he didn't give birth alone!!
I will try not to let them get to me but why did he have to personally let them know?!! Now the missed calls have started & if i'm right he has also unblocked her hasn't he, because blocked people should not be able to phone, i'm right aren't i?Sad
God only knows but i hope he isn't being sucked in again, as with newbaby aswell as 4 other children i do not have the strength to be there for dh when he has gone ahead & made things worse againSad

I had a baby 2 days ago , i should be happy but i feel as though the warpath is gearing up & it's only so long before he starts arguing a case of contact. To make matters worse he has to go back to work as he isn't entitled to paternity pay or holiday pay due to not being there long enough, so i'm thrown in at the deep end with school runs, 5 children, no sleep, and my mum can't help because she works too and in the midst of this i have that fucking family to deal with and by god do i hate the whole lot of themConfused

Wobblebeans · 09/01/2014 11:33

Congratulations pumpkin! Thanks

Bedtime1 · 09/01/2014 11:53

Pumpkin - I think he accepts you don't want contact but then the children the mil probably makes him feel bad about. It's hard for him to accept that when she is badgering for contact. The sister in law doesn't sound very pleasant and is winding the situation up by saying congratulations to daddy and not you.

You said your reasons for them not seeing kids . I don't understand why he doesn't see that particularly when you said your fil is a perv.

whiteblossom · 09/01/2014 11:55

hello, sorry to drop in. I have a similar situation to you pumpkin

In that we have been nc with IL for three years. IL don't hassle us like your MIL (thank god) They do however send bday & xmas presents to ds. As of this year they not age appropriate, they are far too young for him, its as if in the IL's heads my ds has not aged Confused They also sent an additional xmas card to dh this year, which is a new one. Trying to pull him in.

My dh insists on passing on cards and gifts so he remains 'in the right' and cant be accused of anything.

After we had ds our relationship with IL desintergrated they made life difficult/upsetting and very stressful, they caused years of arguments between dh and I. Everything was about them, they made themselves unbearable to be around. Their behaviour was hurtful. My mil is a narc and my Fil is her enabler. My dh and I wont stand for such behaviour, so Im sure you can all imagine the back lash that causes.

So, having been nc for three years nearly, my concern is that Im pregnant again. My dh is in touch with his db, who after reading this thread, it has become clear he has been used as triangulation (I think that's the right term?). Dh is also on good terms with the rest of the his family but he rarely talk/see them (typical bloke!) One family couple have been on the nasty receiving end of my inlaws and understand some of what we have been through and know what they are like but are still on good terms with them.

I really don't want the news of this baby to spark them to get in touch, they ruined it for us last time and with a new baby we don't need the stress/worry all over again etc etc.

So at some point my DH will probably want to tell his db who will go straight to his parents and tell them...my dh will strongly deny he will do this but he will, or he will tell someone else in the family who will genuinely drop it into conversation thinking inlaws already know...
It will spark the victim in them and no doubt a nasty email or letter to us.

I don't really know what Im asking, Im just fraught and the very idea of this causing trouble when we least need it or are able to cope with it.

Wobblebeans · 09/01/2014 12:09

I don't want to hijack anything, I have an update on my situation.

As predicted, 'D'aunty and U didn't show up for Xmas eve. Though my dad got a text from U saying that he would try.
Because of this, we didn't manage to give them their Xmas card (we usually give it to them Xmas eve).

Boxing Day, DP had a phone call from his mum saying that she'd had an angry phone call from 'D'A saying that they didn't get a Xmas card from us, that she bought presents for our DDs with money that she couldn't really afford, that from now on she wouldn't bother with presents for our DDs anymore, or with mine and DPs birthdays, blah blah fucking blah!

DPs mum was quite pissed off about this, and said that she was going to say "well they were going to give you your card on Xmas eve but you didn't show up!" She didn't though because she doesn't want to cause trouble for us.

The day before New Year's Eve, DP was texting my U, asking how Xmas was and asking if we could pop over to deliver our cousins birthday card for a few days later. He also said that we still had their Xmas card as we were going to give it to them Xmas eve... DP said that it would be all of us coming, and my U sent a text back saying " that's ok, we don't ignore people in this house". I get upset at this, so DP sends one back asking what he meant by that. My U then backtracks and says that they will be busy, but we won't get ignored!

We go round New Year's Eve in the morning, and surprise surprise, 'D'A is at work. My U is completely normal with us, despite having ignored us the last couple of times we've bumped into each other while out. I should just add that his personal motto in life is "anything for a quiet life".

Fast forward to now, my nan is coming up for the weekend tomorrow. 'D'A practically lives up her arse because she gives them money for extras that they can't afford, what with being up the shit creek financially. Due to this, my nan is completely oblivious to what 'D'A is like, she doesn't hear any of the nasty things she says about me or the rest of my family. She even calls my nan fucking "mum"!

If I want to see my nan, it means having to see 'D'A and my U as well, as there is usually a big outing planned, my parents and us are usually the last to find out about it, as 'D'A tries to make it difficult or awkward for me to see my nan (who of course always wants to see me).

We are limited contact with them, but she hasn't yet got the hint that we only see them when we have to. I'm not going to completely abandon my U as I know this is what she wants. My dad has also said that he's not going to stop talking to his brother, though she tries to stop this as she doesn't like my parents as they don't put up with her shit. And apparently they also 'put ideas in his head'. Like, I don't know, being treated with respect in his own fucking marriage!

Shit, didn't realise that would be so long! Blush

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/01/2014 12:13

"My dh insists on passing on cards and gifts so he remains 'in the right' and cant be accused of anything".

Who is DH passing on the cards and gifts too; your child or his parents?. Either way its a real error of judgment on his part. It continues contact in some form which is what they want. That and the last word.

With his parents I would remain NC with them. With regards to cards and gifts sent by them to you (such things are never sent without conditions attached) I would bin all cards without opening and take any gifts to the charity shop.

Their behaviour is called hoovering and an explanation of this is given below:-

Some toxic people will let you leave a relationship without caring one bit. They never really cared about you, and if you don’t want to be used and abused anymore, they’re simply on to the next person before you can say, “Bye!”

Others, however…

Others hoover.

The toxic hooverer doesn’t truly care about you either — they just want to keep you around to feed on emotionally, and when you decide to go no contact, they don’t plan on letting you get away that easily.

Many hooverers have traits of borderline, narcissistic, antisocial or histrionic personality disorders. People with Dependent Personality Disorder may also hoover.

Hoovering is manipulation to gain control over your choice to distance yourself, and typically takes the following forms:

•Ignoring your requests to break off the relationship and attempting to continue on as if nothing has changed.
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•Asking you when you’re going to “get over it” and return to your past actions.
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•Sending you a fake apology to give you hope that things have changed.
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•Trying to trick you into contact by saying someone needs you, is sick, or in trouble.
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•Triangulating with others, communicating things to you through them.
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•Saying they’re worried about you, concerned about whether you’re okay, need to know where you are, etc.
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•Sending unwanted cards, messages and gifts, sometimes gifts for your children, as they know you are likely to feel guilty about keeping a gift from your kids. Don’t allow this – exposing your children to manipulation is far worse!
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•Returning old items you left behind.
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•Baiting you with drama games.
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•Contacting you about “important” things they “forgot” and suddenly have to tell you.

Don’t Fall for Hoovering Tactics

Attempts to pull you back into a toxic relationship are not valid expressions of caring and concern — they are attempts to regain control over your behaviour. Beware — hoovering attempts are often disguised as caring, loneliness, hurt, desperation, fear, illness, and other things designed to play on your sympathies and pull you back. Abusers know that pulling on heartstrings works very well. (In the case of BPD, it may be simply out-of-control emotions and fear of abandonment more than an attempt to control you per se; however you will likely still feel that you are not being allowed to end a relationship you no longer want).

If your wish to end a relationship is not being honoured, whatever a toxic person thinks will work best on you will be what they try, so when one angle doesn’t work, they will try another, and another, ramping up their efforts until it seems they might never stop. Typically, hoovering DOES stop if the person being hoovered does not fall for the hooverer’s tricks.

The sooner the person being hoovered completely ignores everything and does not respond to anything at all in any way, the sooner the toxic person finally understands that they do not have the control. Some toxic people may still make the occasional attempt on holidays, anniversaries of events, etc. Don’t bite the bait. Simply ignore any attempts.

If you have already made it clear that you do not want a relationship (or if it’s obvious) then DON’T ever contact the person doing the hoovering to tell them to stop again, or how angry you are. That is a reward. They will be thrilled to receive your attention and pleased to know that their efforts have paid off by snagging you, so they’ll be contacting you even more!

If you have told someone you do not want contact, and they continue to bother you, the police can assist you. If you ever feel that someone you are trying to break off a relationship with may be capable of more than simply annoying you mildly, contact your local police for assistance. They are well-accustomed to dealing with skillful manipulators and have many smart ways of handling them.

More Here: lightshouse.org/lights-blog/when-toxic-people-start-hoovering#ixzz2pu1SFb2x

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/01/2014 12:17

I would certainly keep any children away from his narc mother and her enabler of a H. Narc women always but always need a willing enabler to help them.

If his parents were to make contact you really need to ignore it completely and not respond to any entreaties or so called pleas from them at all. They always want the last word.

whiteblossom · 09/01/2014 12:32

hi Attila

My dh passes on cards and presents to our ds from his parents. As a result of this ds always writes a thank you card to them. Again to remain 'in the right'.

Out of the hovering list my Inlaws tick just two, triangulation and gifts/cards.

I dont want anything from them for the new baby, I would want to send it back to send the 'message' but I know the advice is not to.

Ill have a good read through that info thank you. Smile

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/01/2014 12:50

The gifts and such like from his parents to your child should never be at all acknowledged by any of you. Also such gifts from his parents are not at all without obligation attached. It drags your DS into it as well by him having to write a thank you note, poor soul.

In future no gifts should be at all acknowledged; exposing your son to such manipulation on the part of his grandparents is far worse.

Also it is painful to watch a narc and their attendant enabler interact with their grandchild mainly because there is no interaction. Its like watching a re-run of a tv show you've always hated.

Your DH is very much in FOG to his parents (fear, obligation, guilt). He has all of that in spades and is hurting his own family unit by being in FOG so deeply. Reading "Children of the Self Absorbed" by Nina W Brown could perhaps help him.

The sending of gifts (which are unwanted) is one such method as to how such toxic people maintain contact even though you do not want it. They always want the last word.

Hissy · 09/01/2014 14:46

Pumpkin - time to read your H the riot act I think. He specifically KNEW that he was NOT to divulge any info to his DM, for the reasons that will surely end up boring you all to death.

Inform him that you are arranging for a block to go on AGAIN and that it WILL NOT be removed unless you BOTH agree.

He needs to understand that he has to check with you when anything regarding his family is concerned. No calls, no texts, no NOTHING. If he can't support you in this, what CAN he support you in?

He has let you down here, specifically because he is too scared to be perceived as letting his DM and her brood down. Remind him that YOU are the one he has chosen to be with and have a family with. He's chosen to piss off a hormonal, sensitive and caring woman rather than protect his family. He's either very brave, or has a deathwish. :)

It's 2014. You have a new baby and you are NOT going to spend this new year, new life the same way you spent the last one.

Your H needs to get help to see his parents for what they are. He needs to talk to normal people and open up about what he's been through and see the reality of the reaction that will come back to him.

I'm very cross with your H. I can only hazzard a guess as to how flaming hormonal livid you are.

(((HUG)))

Hissy · 09/01/2014 14:52

Oh and welcome home Attilla, how's the jetlag? Wink Hope you had a good time!

What do we do with the gifts then? I have returned the birthday gift to my son back to Amazon, and sent the flaming christmas gift foisted on DS by my sister back to the merchant that shipped it. I still have a whacking great gift that we don't want - I can take it back to Toys R Us, as it has a sticker on to say it's from there for a Gift Cert for the money. which I suppose I could put to good use against some console thingy or something when DS is least expecting it.

Bedtime1 · 09/01/2014 16:09

My mum sent money mainly. I have kept it but when sister was here I gave part of it back to her so she could go on a night out and get herself something to wear in the sales.
I'm also using the rest of the money to give it back to my sister as its her birthday soon and she wants money but I've also bought her some gifts with my own money for her to open too. I usually spoil her at birthdays and Christmas.

She will be 21 next year so ill probably if I can afford if she wants a party give her something towards it or take her out for a meal. Ill also get her some nice gifts. I've actually done parties in the past for her and my sisters kids and my dad over the years . Then I was thinking ill take things down to more sensible levels . I've always liked spoiling people and buying nice gifts etc but I think some of the way I act is determined by my childhood. Like worrying wether mum would like her presents all the time and also dad always being ungrateful for his gifts, never felt appreciated . To be honest My younger sister doesn't show much appreciation either but I always end up giving her benefit of doubt because of our childhood.

pumpkinsweetie · 09/01/2014 17:01

Thankyou Hissy atleast there is one silver lining, i haven't yet heard the monotonal "can mum see her", so atleast that is one thing.

Calmed down a bit now as no more of the woman has been mentioned and he hasn't answerd her calls.
I think, and can only hope that although he has gone against my wishes by divulging, that atleast he knows there will be no meeting on the horizon as i won't allow it over my dead body!

If he does mention her at all in such a way again, i will remind him what he will be losing if he goes back to basics again. Like you say this is 2014, a new year , a new beginning, a completion of our family & i'm turning 30 this weekend so getting too old and wiseGrin for her games.

On a lower note though, my eldest dd has accidently text my mil from my phone thinking it was my dmConfused , so she has opened the portal up now too although i know she has done it by mistake! Oh well kids will be kids , its dh that should know better!

Bloody hell a 10yo opening up a can of worms, mil will think all her xmases have come at once as she'll think i have contacted her, dag nab itConfused

Bedtime1 · 09/01/2014 17:25

Pumpkin - how come your husband thinks its okay for the kids to see the fil ( I find it hard to word but if he is a perv)

Hissy · 09/01/2014 17:30

Can you block access to MIL number on your phone or delete it as a contact?

Change your numbers. All of them!

Happy Birthday for the weekend! xx

Bedtime1 · 09/01/2014 17:31

I don't see things changing if your not on the same page. It's down to your husband to make changes . The pressure of it all wlll just be too much for him to cope with. If he doesn't seek help I see you all stuck for years to come.

Hissy · 09/01/2014 17:35

Agreed. He has to see this as a problem and commit to dealing with it. Whatever that means/involves.

pumpkinsweetie · 10/01/2014 02:13

bedtime since a few months back dh is atleast on the same page re fil not seeing children. That i can say he has come to terms with (the huge danger fil poses to our dc) and we are in total agreement fil , it's mil he seems to be having the trouble accepting the past & that she is indeed mentally abusive and is no where innocent in the treatment he recieved growing up.

I think deep down he knows mil isn't good for the children, but he isn't quite there in seeing a line has to drawn & left where it is. I think he knows mil cannot see dc but couldn't quite shut her out ie "news" as that small part of him will not let go of this reluctance to see beyond what is really there iyswim.

Aslong as no further discussions, digs or asks are made re her seeing children i will have to accept for now that unfortunetly he hasn't let go of possibilities although in reality he knows cannot happen.

Once the newborn period has gone, i'm sure things will die down and dh will be left alone again. I cannot fight this battle for dh, although i have in a way got him somewhere to a way of being there.

Once i get into the swing of things with being a new mum again, i will find it in me to get him to see again that accepting things is always the best way , rather than glossing over & dreaming things that will never happen. Back to basics talk will be made soon re what is acceptable & what isn't in our relationship, re going against my wishes to please the lies his head tells him.

Bottom line is he needs to realise if he chooses to have any contact with ils, the dc are not to come into the equation even upon speech & that i shouldn't be decieved anymore, we must stand united in the very fact mil is not innocent and she too is also a danger to the dc so there is no point in her knowing anything about our dc from now on- Period !!!

On a very positive noteSmile dh has been very very helpful in keeping up with household duties, school run & looking after me, so he should, but i must say feel very well looked after unlike with my last birth. So for once the fog hasn't creeped in re practictly as normally the fog stops him being atall helpful in the slightest. And not one of the clan has turned up or been verbally spoken or called up, so there are significant improvements compared to the past. Next step is for dh to finally do away with phone number, fx he will do this without prompting when he remembers how much better things are and are getting furthermore!

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