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thatsnotmynamereally · 25/11/2013 06:23

Sorry in advance as this feels long to me. I've posted often about my emotionally abusive H over the past year and now with benefit of all the help I've had here and from reading books and speaking to women's aid I feel I can more clearly see what he is doing his tactics and what has been going on through our whole marriage/relationship of 25 years.

He has constantly belittled me because I haven't worked (full time, have done bits of freelance) over the past few although I have been drawing a salary from his firm, for tax purposes that stopped at the end of September. I have no self confidence and although I have good skills in my field it has been really hard for me to start properly job hunting and he has been no help whatsoever for example he picked up a copy of my CV when I'd sat down to proofread it, said it was sh*te and crumpled it up. But I managed to get a contract job, it literally landed in my lap and it is a lovely project. I started exactly a week ago. It's not the most impressive job in terms of prestige or money but it is a good way back into the loop as far as I'm concerned... and one week in I'm loving it, really enjoy everything about being at work full time again.

True to type (I had been wondering how he would respond) he seems to be subtly making problems. He has just been generally in a bad mood and I've been tiptoeing around, at the moment I'm still getting used to getting back into the routine of getting up and going to work. When I worked full time, as I did the whole time our kids were growing up (I stopped when DS was in last year of A levels, he's now 3rd year uni and DD is in first year so we have an empty nest, kids are both doing well and I'm v proud of them) his rule was that my job could never interfere with his life, I have always had to do all the cooking/childcare/clothes etc. But because he earned more money than me that was deemed fair... but of course looking back I always put myself in the position of second to him, and probably reinforced his view that he was entitled to special treatment.

Anyway to get to the point. This weekend, my first after working, he wanted to our weekend house in the countryside-- his pet project and something he has used to extremely control us (mainly me + DD over the summer, DS early on started refusing to go). I was a bit muddled up as to what I wanted to do, in my mind, I thought I should put my foot down and say NO as I could stay here plus get laundry done, do some cooking for the week, and play around with the project I have on the computer (he does NOT want me working at home even briefly as I won't get paid for it, but I would like to brush up my computer skills a bit and do some extra work on the project) but for various reasons I agreed to go. Although we had a nice time Saturday as we met up with friends, he was niggling away all day today (Sunday). For example I lightheartedly asked what the agenda was for the day, as I was making the coffee and just wanted to know what he had in mind for the day, ie work in the garden or go for a walk, and he exploded at me for using the word 'agenda' as it sounded like a work-word... he was doing his own thing on the computer and said he just wanted to be left alone so I didn't bring him a cup of coffee, which further infuriated him, etc etc and the day sort of went downhill. But we went by to see DS as we had to deliver something to him so there was some point to the day so to speak.

We got back around 6:00 tonight, I put a load of laundry in, and cooked dinner, he sat on the sofa and worked on HIS project. I transferred laundry to tumble drier eventually, after dinner I folded clothes, set up ironing board and ironed 2 pairs of trousers for him, left shirts on the back of a chair, left ironing board up as I was going to do a quick job on the shirts. NB these were ALL his clothes. We had a couple of glasses of wine, he wasn't too happy with the fact that I hadn't planned a 'pudding' for him (this was after minor niggles with the dinner) then he didn't want to watch Family Guy (my guilty pleasure and I hate to miss it) so I went upstairs to watch it on the TV in the bedroom. Was this unreasonable??

I think I dozed off, he came upstairs an hour or so later shouting at me that the house was a mess and that I was wearing a jumper he doesn't like, a comfy one I wear around the house. I think he was insinuating that I wasn't dressed for sex. So I got furious but didn't shout (this is fairly usual) and came downstairs to sleep on the sofa. I got down here and found he'd folded up the ironing board roughly and left it on the table (weird place). He's always hated it when I left the ironing board up but in this case as I was trying to 'catch up' with laundry after going away for the weekend on his insistence I thought he should give me a bit of slack. Then I found some things on the floor, papers etc, that he must have just slung down there. Plus I found my muddy boots on top of my laptop. FFS I had even cleaned the kitchen before I went upstairs, all counters were cleared, it wasn't all that bad. As usual he was just finding fault with things-- I cannot argue, yes the ironing board was up and yes there was a tiny bit of clutter and yes my boots were left in the middle of the floor. But he just doesn't help. Shouldn't he be really supporting me, in a new job, plus I've not bothered him for anything over the past week? I even take the train so he can have the car, and I have come in and made dinner every night plus of course do all the cleaning, evidently not to his standards but that is ridiculous because he is really messy himself and never even picks up his clothes off the floor. But if his clothes are on the floor it is my fault because I haven't picked them up.

So, with my enhanced knowledge of how abusers work, I know this is what he is doing. And I am fairly detached (which angers him) and I just let it wash over my as much as possible but I was really upset when I saw what he had done with the ironing board. I've actually been crying about it. It was just so unnecessary. So I think he is trying to sabotage my new job, and I need to get out. But now after googling flats to rent I am really depressed, I have a cat and a dog, this house works for me. And kids are coming back from uni in a couple of weeks when term ends.

When I've spoken to WA the idea of a refuge doesn't seem to fit with me no point in taking a room when I could rent privately. If H was violent things would be different. If he left it would be fantastic, absolutely lovely, we have a great time when he isn't around, but he needs to be in London for work over the next few weeks so not much chance of him moving to the weekend house. Plus he doesn't like to go to that house without someone else I think he gets bored on his own (whereas personally I love being on my own).

I'm going to call WA today, they were organizing counselling for me but I put things on hold for the new job. My question is, WTF do I do?? I was all for the idea of moving out until I realized how many problems that thew up and how much of an adjustment that would be, with the new job as priority. And it isn't really all that affordable. I know this is a question so many have had to deal with, and why staying always seems so much easier somehow. But I need to do something. I'm thinking that I can possibly speak to a lawyer about getting an agreement drawn up where we both live her but separately until we sell the house and I can buy another one, basically try to recreate the house we have on a smaller scale for 1/2 the money.

OK I'm feeling more angry than sad now I know I have been told to LTB before but I think that this is the week when I finally need to act. Inertia is not an option. Bastard. I feel like I want to hurt him and I hate myself for that. Stupid ironing board. I know I can manage him as I've been doing, but at the cost to myself of all my self worth and sanity!

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Ledkr · 07/12/2013 21:21

Here here dolly

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Blu · 07/12/2013 21:38

"I want someone to explain to him, Lundy Bancroft-style, that he is an angry and abusive man!"

why? Why do you need HIM to understand and accept this? The person who needs to know it is you. Are you wanting him to agree with you, and give you permission to leave?

The only thing that needs to affect your decision is how you feel, what you want, and how angry and abusive he feels to YOU. You can leave him for any reason you like, or no reason.

Your DD seems to understand very well that leaving him would be a good move.

Good luck OP, I do hope things stay calm tomorrow and he stays away.

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IAmNotAMindReader · 07/12/2013 21:47

I echo what others have said. Get legal advice to keep him away.
All of this is his making he does not have the right to treat you like this. If he breaks the law then the consequences are his you didn't force him to do anything he decided to and to hell with the consequences which he probably thinks he can rely on the police to see his side as he truly believes he is entitled to behave in this way and that your opinion is as worthless to them as it is to him. He has spent years convincing you his self worth is all that matters as even now you try to justify his actions to make life easier for him.

Listen to your daughter she has lived with this her whole life. This has escalated because your new job has given you the independence away from him to see the wood for the trees and he feels his grip slipping so he feels perfectly justified in bringing you back into line. To him you are not a person worthy of respect, other people have rights. You just don't even register as human to him, you are property that's why he feels safe to threaten you and claim you are unstable because in his view you are an inanimate object there to reflect his views, opinions and way of life. You are now threatening that way of life and must be broken in any way possible to bring you back to inanimate object status.
The police when they came were trying to impress upon you the seriousness of this and that despite what you think he would or wouldn't do he is escalating and therefore is unpredictable especially seeing as their involvement has done nothing more than incense him.

His behaviour and the consequences of such are his responsibility, if he feels he has the right to break the law to impose his will then he must accept the consequences of that thinking.
You have a right to behave in any way you see fit within the confines of the law, even without this going on you have the right to say it just isn't working anymore and concentrate on yourself. You do have a right to a sense of self, your own life and your own persona free of anyone elses conditions.

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Donkeylovesmarzipanandmincepie · 08/12/2013 13:09

"I've done a stupid thing...."

Interesting choice of opening words but your DD grasped the significance of what happened.

I'm sure you brought up your DCs to be good polite little children, not cheeking adults or answering back. But if an adult - 'stranger danger' or a familiar figure - posed any danger, you or their school may have covered this, in that case they could shout, make a scene, pull away, call for help.

This was not you being stupid that night you rsng the police, you had just cause to be fearful. Maybe you felt you had to downplay your situation to her? In the cold light of day perhaps the danger recedes but I hope you know better.

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Lweji · 08/12/2013 15:35

I understand you both feel sorry for him, but if he continues with you, you'll suffer and it's likely that you'll end up calling the police on him again, or the E&A doctor will...
It's best for you all if you separate now.

Get the injunction, even if it doesn't seem really necessary now.

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thatsnotmynamereally · 09/12/2013 07:47

Not much time as am getting ready to leave for work. So after that awful series of phone calls and texts Saturday he came home, arrived with flowers and nice food, saying that he really didn't want to lose me and he was sorry. I should add that Saturday was our wedding anniversary. We went out for dinner, the contriteness continued I should add he has NEVER been so nice to me, holding my hand (cringe) etc. Continued until yesterday and now he's had me up half the night recounting all the 'bad' things I do(sorry but LOL I own too many pairs of brown boots and I left my keys in the door a few weeks ago and sometimes I don't lock up the house to his satisfaction) and he's making a really big deal of a 'fit' I had about 2 months ago, when I had been at the end of my tether for various reasons due to him keeping me (hostage essentially is how it felt) at our weekend home then informing me without asking that we were going up to see his family for a few days he decided that we needed to clean the house before we went and he told me I was cleaning the toilet wrong-- yes I did go totally ballistic, shouted my head off... had a sore throat afterwards and felt very remorseful. He wants me to go to the police and tell them about THAT time, the time that HE was being abused. I think I will do just that.... sure the police will see through that! and, he is furious with the police as he doesn't think he did anything wrong the other night. and I am starting to doubt my own recollection of events but am going to call them this morning.

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thatsnotmynamereally · 09/12/2013 07:48

I know I could (should?) get an injunction or maybe just do a midnight flit, move out, but I still think he needs to see that he has done something wrong!

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thatsnotmynamereally · 09/12/2013 07:50

PS will be dealing with things today. And he is banking a lot on the Drs appointment tomorrow morning and I am not in danger, as long as he has others to focus on.

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FunkyBoldRibena · 09/12/2013 07:51

That's the whole point - he isn't going to see that unless you get yourself an injunction and get away you will spend another 10 years trying to show him he is wrong...and what for? Is the rest of your life happy worth sacrificing just to prove a point?

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TeenyW123 · 09/12/2013 08:06

Bloody hell, Thats, you'll never get him to see he's in the wrong. Get out ASAP and let him do some navel gazing on his own. Why are you relying on outside agencies (police, doctors) when you have the wherewithal to remove yourself from his nasty, evil presence? I know you have seen through his 'nice' charade; do you think he thinks you've fallen for it though?

You've said he sees himself as doing nothing wrong. He's already been haranguing you about (in his eyes) your past misdemeanours - cleaning the toilet FFS! And he's also rewriting history as in he doesn't see he's done anything wrong!

Do not feel sorry for him. Remember the torture he's put you through. Might he escalate his abuse into actual physical abuse? He's threatened you with it already.

Please, please, get out. Get an injunction against him. You don't have the problem of no money and nowhere to go. Get it sorted! now!

I'm worried about you.

Teeny.

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Ledkr · 09/12/2013 08:15

Well at least you can see now that his apparent epiphany was a ploy to get you to drop the charges!
Then he reverted to his true colours.
You are a grown woman and its your life but it would be a bit if a waste to carry on on like this.
It seems as if you are enjoying the drama of his reaction and kidding yourself he's "learnt his lesson" which is a common reaction to a "lull in abuse" but from what you have said he has a very bizarre and unnatural attitude to women and their role which I can't see changing.

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Lweji · 09/12/2013 08:16

I know I could (should?) get an injunction

Should

or maybe just do a midnight flit, move out,

Yes, and the injunction.

but I still think he needs to see that he has done something wrong!

Famous last words. Sad
Why? You are saying what he needs!? This is codependency. All you need is to be free.
At the moment you are playing games and dancing to his music.

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thatsnotmynamereally · 09/12/2013 08:39

I am wondering if I'm prolonging it. Yes I was hoping for an Epiphany to get us through the holiday and him into counseling. Codependency? Probably or more like used to be treated badly. Yesterday he was being nice and complimentary and it was v uncomfortable but then he listed my faults and I felt normal again. I can deal with normal. If I leave I will destro him if course. If I ran off with another man would be better.

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thatsnotmynamereally · 09/12/2013 08:43

As he would have something to hate me for. Really not enjoying the drama. It was nice with him out if the house but not with worrying about all his phone calls etc. Going to make a few calls now, on way to office.

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TeenyW123 · 09/12/2013 09:47

An injunction will stop any means of communication with him. Please get it sorted Thats. Please.

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FunkyBoldRibena · 09/12/2013 09:53

Yes he would have something to hate you for...as opposed to the loving husband he is now?

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turbochildren · 09/12/2013 10:30

You wont destroy him. No need to worry about that. You'll do yourself a favour, and maybe in the long term him aswell. But your effect on him will be minimal. He'll be cross that you are not "at heel", as that is your rightful place in his eyes. He is concerned that you will not make it without him to tell you all your faults. He'll be confused that you are doing fine on your own. And in time he'll hopefully move on.

At the moment you don't seem to think that your own wishes are important enough for you to lead your life according to your own wishes. If that makes sense :) The good news are that you have the opportunity to be in charge of your own life. It's a bit scary, as change always is. But as it can be achieved without violence, I'd recommend you to go through with it. There will NEVER be a good time, so the best moment is anytime.

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Blu · 09/12/2013 13:57

OP, you really don't need any validation or justification: your feelings about your life - being 'held hostage' - the terrible way he has treated you, are grounds enough for you to choose to leave.

The police will not act as marriage guidance arbitrators or tell him he is wrong, they will simply respond if you are in danger or if he is perpertrating DV or locking you out of your own home or the like.

He won't acknowledge how bad he is, not deeply, because if he could he wouldn't have behaved in such a controlling manner in the first place. He thinks he is RIGHT to behave as he has, and all it needs is a little window dressing and adjustment with some flowers.

Hopefully you can see a solicitor as soon as possible.

Good luck progressing with your job - the other best thing you can do for yourself! I hope your salary / fee is going into an account in your name alone? You may well need a sum of money you have to fall back on.

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LisaMed · 09/12/2013 17:19

Sending hugs

Something to think about

You do not need a reason to leave. You can just leave. You can just decide that you want it to end. You do not need to explain yourself to him or anyone.

He is never going to get it, he is never going to see it your way. You can stay until you die of old age, stress or are beaten. You will never get that closure.

His problems do not need to be your problems.

I am not saying I have the answers but I hope that this will give you some help in finding strength to do what is right for you. Good luck

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cjel · 09/12/2013 19:37

the only thing I'd say about you leaving is that it is very hard to make them sell if they don't want to. I know someone who has had a court order to X for 2 years and he still won't sell.
I did leave and after renting 6 months and him running our house down I asked him to move out, luckily he did I moved back did it up and sold it.

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mrfrancis82 · 09/12/2013 21:14

At first read I felt for you, but you keep not doing anything and making excuses for him... The guy's a lowlife, father of kids or no father of kids. Why are you staying?

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thatsnotmynamereally · 09/12/2013 22:53

Oh FFS. I called 101 to report him so I could get some documentation of his behaviour. I didn't expect the police to turn up (my stipudity) and take him to a cell overnight, then leave him to come home the next day. I thought we'd get some RL support but its been less than zero, H has no idea that he did anything wrong and thinks it is an example of police brutality/ rough justice. I cannot sleep at friends house, DD is just home from uni. Tomorrow morning we have drs appt to discuss his ' black depression' and I am going along with that. I am trying to keep going with my new job, back in an office for the first time after 4 years, job going well and workmates have no idea what's going on. It is a choice of two options, keeping going and planning the exit as i had been, or the nuclear option of packing DD, dog, cat etc into car and driving out of the city leaving everything behind. The third option, kicking him out, I couldn't do. I could not live with myself. If he kicks himself out, great. Hoping things will be clearer tomorrow.

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cjel · 09/12/2013 23:11

Get that injunction and learn to live with the fact that you married a vicious bully. Your dcs deserve better from you, or dare I say stay and stop complaining?

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MistAllChuckingFrighty · 09/12/2013 23:21

The third option is the only one, sorry

Until you accept that, or he forces the issue by attacking you or something, you will keep getting what you have got if you keep doing what you are doing

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DollyTwat · 09/12/2013 23:30

It's interesting you wouldn't kick him out. Why?
Do you feel like you deserve this treatment but he must be looked after?

He won't ever get it. Even 11 years down the line everything will be your fault. That's the man he is

Aren't YOU worth more than this? Why do you deserve this?

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