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thatsnotmynamereally · 25/11/2013 06:23

Sorry in advance as this feels long to me. I've posted often about my emotionally abusive H over the past year and now with benefit of all the help I've had here and from reading books and speaking to women's aid I feel I can more clearly see what he is doing his tactics and what has been going on through our whole marriage/relationship of 25 years.

He has constantly belittled me because I haven't worked (full time, have done bits of freelance) over the past few although I have been drawing a salary from his firm, for tax purposes that stopped at the end of September. I have no self confidence and although I have good skills in my field it has been really hard for me to start properly job hunting and he has been no help whatsoever for example he picked up a copy of my CV when I'd sat down to proofread it, said it was sh*te and crumpled it up. But I managed to get a contract job, it literally landed in my lap and it is a lovely project. I started exactly a week ago. It's not the most impressive job in terms of prestige or money but it is a good way back into the loop as far as I'm concerned... and one week in I'm loving it, really enjoy everything about being at work full time again.

True to type (I had been wondering how he would respond) he seems to be subtly making problems. He has just been generally in a bad mood and I've been tiptoeing around, at the moment I'm still getting used to getting back into the routine of getting up and going to work. When I worked full time, as I did the whole time our kids were growing up (I stopped when DS was in last year of A levels, he's now 3rd year uni and DD is in first year so we have an empty nest, kids are both doing well and I'm v proud of them) his rule was that my job could never interfere with his life, I have always had to do all the cooking/childcare/clothes etc. But because he earned more money than me that was deemed fair... but of course looking back I always put myself in the position of second to him, and probably reinforced his view that he was entitled to special treatment.

Anyway to get to the point. This weekend, my first after working, he wanted to our weekend house in the countryside-- his pet project and something he has used to extremely control us (mainly me + DD over the summer, DS early on started refusing to go). I was a bit muddled up as to what I wanted to do, in my mind, I thought I should put my foot down and say NO as I could stay here plus get laundry done, do some cooking for the week, and play around with the project I have on the computer (he does NOT want me working at home even briefly as I won't get paid for it, but I would like to brush up my computer skills a bit and do some extra work on the project) but for various reasons I agreed to go. Although we had a nice time Saturday as we met up with friends, he was niggling away all day today (Sunday). For example I lightheartedly asked what the agenda was for the day, as I was making the coffee and just wanted to know what he had in mind for the day, ie work in the garden or go for a walk, and he exploded at me for using the word 'agenda' as it sounded like a work-word... he was doing his own thing on the computer and said he just wanted to be left alone so I didn't bring him a cup of coffee, which further infuriated him, etc etc and the day sort of went downhill. But we went by to see DS as we had to deliver something to him so there was some point to the day so to speak.

We got back around 6:00 tonight, I put a load of laundry in, and cooked dinner, he sat on the sofa and worked on HIS project. I transferred laundry to tumble drier eventually, after dinner I folded clothes, set up ironing board and ironed 2 pairs of trousers for him, left shirts on the back of a chair, left ironing board up as I was going to do a quick job on the shirts. NB these were ALL his clothes. We had a couple of glasses of wine, he wasn't too happy with the fact that I hadn't planned a 'pudding' for him (this was after minor niggles with the dinner) then he didn't want to watch Family Guy (my guilty pleasure and I hate to miss it) so I went upstairs to watch it on the TV in the bedroom. Was this unreasonable??

I think I dozed off, he came upstairs an hour or so later shouting at me that the house was a mess and that I was wearing a jumper he doesn't like, a comfy one I wear around the house. I think he was insinuating that I wasn't dressed for sex. So I got furious but didn't shout (this is fairly usual) and came downstairs to sleep on the sofa. I got down here and found he'd folded up the ironing board roughly and left it on the table (weird place). He's always hated it when I left the ironing board up but in this case as I was trying to 'catch up' with laundry after going away for the weekend on his insistence I thought he should give me a bit of slack. Then I found some things on the floor, papers etc, that he must have just slung down there. Plus I found my muddy boots on top of my laptop. FFS I had even cleaned the kitchen before I went upstairs, all counters were cleared, it wasn't all that bad. As usual he was just finding fault with things-- I cannot argue, yes the ironing board was up and yes there was a tiny bit of clutter and yes my boots were left in the middle of the floor. But he just doesn't help. Shouldn't he be really supporting me, in a new job, plus I've not bothered him for anything over the past week? I even take the train so he can have the car, and I have come in and made dinner every night plus of course do all the cleaning, evidently not to his standards but that is ridiculous because he is really messy himself and never even picks up his clothes off the floor. But if his clothes are on the floor it is my fault because I haven't picked them up.

So, with my enhanced knowledge of how abusers work, I know this is what he is doing. And I am fairly detached (which angers him) and I just let it wash over my as much as possible but I was really upset when I saw what he had done with the ironing board. I've actually been crying about it. It was just so unnecessary. So I think he is trying to sabotage my new job, and I need to get out. But now after googling flats to rent I am really depressed, I have a cat and a dog, this house works for me. And kids are coming back from uni in a couple of weeks when term ends.

When I've spoken to WA the idea of a refuge doesn't seem to fit with me no point in taking a room when I could rent privately. If H was violent things would be different. If he left it would be fantastic, absolutely lovely, we have a great time when he isn't around, but he needs to be in London for work over the next few weeks so not much chance of him moving to the weekend house. Plus he doesn't like to go to that house without someone else I think he gets bored on his own (whereas personally I love being on my own).

I'm going to call WA today, they were organizing counselling for me but I put things on hold for the new job. My question is, WTF do I do?? I was all for the idea of moving out until I realized how many problems that thew up and how much of an adjustment that would be, with the new job as priority. And it isn't really all that affordable. I know this is a question so many have had to deal with, and why staying always seems so much easier somehow. But I need to do something. I'm thinking that I can possibly speak to a lawyer about getting an agreement drawn up where we both live her but separately until we sell the house and I can buy another one, basically try to recreate the house we have on a smaller scale for 1/2 the money.

OK I'm feeling more angry than sad now I know I have been told to LTB before but I think that this is the week when I finally need to act. Inertia is not an option. Bastard. I feel like I want to hurt him and I hate myself for that. Stupid ironing board. I know I can manage him as I've been doing, but at the cost to myself of all my self worth and sanity!

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NorksAreMessy · 05/12/2013 07:11

In a non-abusive relationship, you would just take the car and collect DD without even thinking about it

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NorksAreMessy · 05/12/2013 07:13

And I know you don't want to get into bother at work, but it might be an idea to offer to swap your days around a bit.
You might not be in the best or most attentive frame of mind to work today, and you have a few things to do and to think about

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thatsnotmynamereally · 05/12/2013 07:14

Yes led an injunction is what I want, he can go to the other place. I'm sure it will all be discussed at some point today, I am just in somewhat denial but with rage simmering underneath!

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 05/12/2013 07:18

He has been trying to weaken you but now he knows you won't sit by and be threatened. Sometimes in the heat of the moment it's hard to process everything, you may have felt compelled to defend him in front of the police, it is a reflex but this morning you will have a chance to replay it all in your head. They weren't taking any chances were they.

I hope you can confide in a rl friend. I don't know about non-molestation orders or what steps you should take next but will you update the person you've spoken to at WA asap for further advice? This could be a big turning point.

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thatsnotmynamereally · 05/12/2013 07:21

norks, really? I just cannot imagine making a unilateral decision. In fact I cannot even imagine suggesting anything because it would just be shot down, ie collecting Friday rather than Saturday am as per original plan, due to anticipating traffic on sat.

Cannot remember if I said that when police turned up ( I hadn't expected them to) I begged them to leave as I didn't want him to know what I was planning (a slick exit at some point in the future) so they've called my bluff. They wouldn't leave without him, and were going to force their way upstairs if I didn't let them.

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SirSugar · 05/12/2013 07:27

I think letting the police take care of him is the right thing to do

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AliceinWinterWonderland · 05/12/2013 07:29

I do agree with the posters that are saying this is the most dangerous time for you. He knows you're getting ready to leave and he's already ramped it up by threatening physical abuse now. The fact that you've rung police now means his pride has taken a hit - you've challenged him and he's going to feel that need to beat you back down, and in many instances, this is where the physical violence can get really nasty and deadly.

Please do not take chances. This is not your fault. Don't feel guilty, don't worry about whether or not he is alright, and don't kid yourself that he doesn't realise what he is doing is wrong. He knows- if he didn't know, he'd act like that to everyone and in front of everyone. And I'll be willing to bet he's much worse in private - that's your answer - if he's hiding how he behaves to any degree from the general public, then he knows it's wrong.

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ThisIsMeNow · 05/12/2013 07:36

Thats, everyone is right. This is a really dangerous time and I don't think he will be calm when he's released. Please please stay safe. Call 999 even at the first hint of trouble.
Wishing you strength.

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EugenesAxe · 05/12/2013 07:44

I have no experience but agree you should get control by finding out your rights from a solicitor. Maybe once divorced the comfortable home will come back to you anyway.

Agree you shouldn't act until you know your path ahead clearly, and that any material object with which he could hurt you (emotionally) through sabotage should be made safe.

He sounds quite evil; please keep up your courage to do this and don't fall for any lines he might spin you.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 05/12/2013 07:46

Talking of unilateral decisions and prompted by another thread just to say keep an eye on any joint account you have, in case he moves to empty it.

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strawberryblondebint · 05/12/2013 07:51

He reminds me of the shit my dad put my mum through. I would guess the suicide threats will follow. In my case my father did actually take a small overdose of tablets on a full pint of milk. It didn't work. My mum stayed strong. However the impact of his reign of terror still affects us all. My mum now has serious mental health issues. Please please stay strong and don't relent. You can and you will get through this. He will only ever put himself first. Just keep focusing on getting through this. One day at a time. Thinking of you.

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bluebell234 · 05/12/2013 07:54

they can put injunction so he can't come near you.

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Lweji · 05/12/2013 08:08

National centre for donestic violence for free emergency injunction.

Will check out later.

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CaroBeaner · 05/12/2013 08:29

He sounds really dangerous to me, the way he has escalated his abuse and control in response to your success and independence.

'Owning up' to the police was a manipulative act and luckily they did not fall for it.

None of it is your fault and he has all the power and resources to look after his own welfare so unchain yourself from that psychological prison and think only of your own future and welfare.

Do you have a sole bank account or savings? In your shoes I would see a solicitor ASAP and do whatever is legal to put half the joint monies in your own account and begin separation. Find out what you are entitled to. With 2 properties in the marriage you will be fine once it is all divided. You are entitled to half !! Gather all your important documents and have a bag packed to be ready for anything.

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frustratedashell · 05/12/2013 08:46

I can't believe you managed to put up with him for so long! Well done for taking action. Keep strong you're 100% in the right. Please take everyone's advice and see solicitors and get prepared for a quick exit if necessary. Good luck!

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wallaby73 · 05/12/2013 09:38

The fact that you can't imagine making a "unilateral decision" speaks volumes...please think about that.

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Lweji · 05/12/2013 09:56

You did the right thing and you should protect yourself now.
He is very likely to act reasonable now and step up his abuse over time to full on physical violence.

In any case, I advise you to stay well away from him. Get the free urgent injunction (NCDV , 0844 8044 999, or text NCDV to 60777).
And if he must be around, please have another adult with you.

If he manages to go back to the house, please leave.

There is nothing to be sorry for him at all. He threatened you, he has been abusing you. There is no way he didn't know that was wrong. Even if he didn't, this is no way to live. You should feel safe in your own home, and with the people you live with.

Take care and keep talking.

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Lweji · 05/12/2013 09:57

Also reinforcing other advice to safeguard money in bank accounts and documents you have at home.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 05/12/2013 10:05

Home should be a sanctuary not a place you walk on eggshells.

Upthread you mentioned you didn't want to make a bad impression at work while it's early days, but a discreet word should be sufficient to advise them that you're experiencing an unprecedented but serious situation at home right now.

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Blu · 06/12/2013 06:42

How are you, OP?

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thatsnotmynamereally · 06/12/2013 07:04

F-ing disaster. He's back at home so I don't feel I can' go there. Spent night at kind friends house but I hatei imposing. He has called every minutes since I turned my phone back on, I spoke to him briefly so he's still alive. I really feel left high and dry by police, they seem ed to think a night in the cell would fix him. He's just texting me that I've ruined his career andthat I 'have no idea what I've done.' WA could only suggest I stay with a friends and don't go back while police said I should go home and talk to him. Posting on phone, grrr

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livingzuid · 06/12/2013 07:26

Oh OP. You are so brave. Typical bully behaviour. Keep every text and proof of his abuse. Get legal advice ASAP. And I am sure your friend does not mind in the least. Don't go back. Can you hire a car to collect your son?

Who cares if his life is ruined he's been ruining yours for the last 25 years. He has done that all by himself. He can always go back to jail if he carries on like that. Get an injunction. What happened to him going to the other house?

He sounds like a complete calculated lunatic and completely unhinged. Very dangerous. I really hope you are OK today please stay strong and safe.

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SirSugar · 06/12/2013 07:30

Get yourself to a solicitor would be my advice.

He will only have had a caution, hardly able to ruin his career however if he does anything else they will charge him; and he will know that because the police will have told him.

He's just trying to scare you back into submission.

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Lweji · 06/12/2013 07:32

I agree with WA and would be moving out.

Get a friend with you to pick up your stuff.

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Ledkr · 06/12/2013 07:40

Where are you now?
A solicitor is the very next step to take.
Then you can plan your next move.
Break free now while the wheels are in motion, imagine your lovely life without him in it bossing you around and kicking off because you haven't made him pudding!
Men really don't behave like that you know.
Do it today dint look back.

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