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please tell me what happens after a row in 'normal' relationships....

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Ihavethislittlesister · 28/09/2013 20:49

So I know I've got issues at home with my r'ship with H particularly regarding his anger and communication (sounds great huh?... )

He will tend to refuse to discuss whats pissed him off, favouring the slamming around and the silence approach. He will never apologise and will never accept one from me (if I owe one) so I often dont bother as its thrown back at me and almost makes things worse. He can then stay pretty quiet (you might want to read that as sulking..) for a couple of days. It gets resolved when he decides not as a result of a discussion.

Please tell me what happens after a row or disagreement in your house... I just want to understand the scale of how bad this is...

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springthorn · 28/09/2013 22:49

I think Vivacia summed up my relationship when she said her DP don't row, we disagree - we don't hurt each other with actions or words.

Sometimes I'm utterly infuriated with my partner and vice versa, but we deeply respect each other, so would never resort to swearing at each other, raising our voices or passive-aggressive behaviour.

Our disagreements go along the lines of: "I'm annoyed / upset / that you said/did a/b/c, because of x/y/x,"
Followed by, "I agree / I don't agree but I can see why it's annoyed you. I'll take this onboard."

It never takes more than half an hour before we kiss and make up.

FrancescaBell · 28/09/2013 22:50

We don't row very often, but if we do we both make a conscious effort to focus on the issue in hand and not ancient, unrelated grievances. But we agree earlier issues raised are fair game if the latest cause of conflict is evidence of a pattern.

E.g. we rowed last week because DH forgot to give me a very important message. It just went clean out of his head. This isn't typical behaviour and he's got a lot on at the minute so while it was infuriating and meant an important deadline for something got missed, it was a brief blow-up about that issue alone, a profuse apology offered and accepted and back to normal.

If we row about him leaving his clothes on the chaise longue in our bedroom (which he regards as a halfway house between clean and dirty clothes and drives me to despair) then it's fair game to talk about a pattern of 'Fran will put it away' type behaviour because by the time I've spotted the clothes on the chaise longue, I've fumed about shoes not put away in the shoe caddy, post left unopened or letters dealt with but empty envelopes left on the kitchen worktops but not binned. That usually merits a sorry and a promise to change- and it does for a while but he will always be an untidy merchant

Conversely, I infuriate him if I use his car and leave the petrol guage on 'fumes' (instant apology) or if I take too much on and don't look after myself as well as I should, which means I don't eat very well, get too thin and inevitably go down with something due to depressed immunity. We've had the odd row about that in the past and I've come to see that it's partly concern on his part and partly because if I spread myself too thinly, it means extra work for him when he can't always afford the time.

We've been together a long, long time and rows in the past probably weren't as maturely handled, but we've never been sulkers, we've never walked out of a room mid-conversation and we've never had a tendency to sweat the small stuff, so we've known that if one has come to the other with a grievance, it's important and needs sorting. We both get angry about others interrupting us, so we try really hard not to do it to eachother.

One other golden rule in our house is that if a conflict arises, there is quiet and no phones, TVs, music etc. are allowed to compete with or interrupt the conversation. I often think that the general 'loudness' in people's homes ramps up the conflict.

jasminerose · 29/09/2013 07:11

I have never fell out with dh for a whole night. We just get over disagreements quickly.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 29/09/2013 07:17

So now you've realised you're with a moron OP, what's your next step?

Lagoonablue · 29/09/2013 07:27

What is the rest of the relationship like? I only as as I have a very pragmatic approach to life! Is this a deal breaker? Can you work on it? You maybe need to agree a set of 'rules' for arguments. How to manage conflict etc. it is not easy.

You will get plenty of LTB s I am sure but I always follow the 70/30 rule. If 70% of the relationship is fine then I can live with it.

Won't work for everyone but works for me. Some people strive for 100% and maybe they achieve it but life is complicated and not sure the perfect relationship is ever achievable.

Vivacia · 29/09/2013 07:31

70/30 rule? Do you mean 80/20 (the Pareto Principle)?

Lagoonablue · 29/09/2013 07:33

No I mean 70/30. It is my rule tbf though I know about Pareto.

I would strive for 80/20 but can live with 70/30.

Vivacia · 29/09/2013 07:33

I think I'd settle for 95/5, but am not sure the way he blows his nose even warrants 5%.

Ihavethislittlesister · 29/09/2013 07:50

Cogito. I know you are probably right but that's really quite rude and makes me feel worse than I already do. I've got time invested in this. Not mention two kids. Thanks for that.

I need to work out the path of what's right and wrong and hatch an exit plan that I'm bought into. I'm very unhappy and I will get there I'm sure but it seems so complicated from a practical perspective.

I think about it day and night but I know the fall out will be horrid and I will get blame for splitting up family. My dc1 idolise dad. HmmHmmHmm

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Lweji · 29/09/2013 07:51

It's not only the percentages that matter.
Yes, it may be "only" 30% bad, but what if in that 30% you are beaten up?
Or always have to apologise, even though it was caused by your partner, or there are always screams at you, name calling, gaslighting, doors slamming, things thrown about, sulking?
What if 2 days of the week are like this?
What if those two days are the weekend?

If the 30% are only disagreements, or a bit of untidiness AND can be worked on because both partners work at it, then fine.

Lagoonablue · 29/09/2013 07:53

Would he see a counsellor with you? Try Relate maybe. He needs to work out how to manage conflict in a mature manner. Maybe he needs help with it? Or you could try and discuss how it makes you feel and agree a way forward.

If he can't approach it in a different way then you might have to consider your future together?

Lweji · 29/09/2013 07:55

An abusive relationship may even be considered 95% good because one partner is making sure the other doesn't get angry.
He could be fantastic when happy, but you'd be dreading the rare times he's not.

Lagoonablue · 29/09/2013 07:59

Jeez am not saying the 70/30 thing works in all situations or for everyone and of course won't apply if there is abuse in a relationship.

Just offering a view that the OP could consider the relationship overall and where this problematic behaviour sits within it.

Ihavethislittlesister · 29/09/2013 07:59

Lweji has it spot on.

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Lweji · 29/09/2013 08:00

Cogito was not rude. :)
You just didn't want to hear it.

He is like that because you don't want to leave. He knows you have time invested in it, you have to consider the children and you want to keep the family together.

You take the power back by having a plan to leave.
Your best bet for him to change is for him to realise you WILL leave him.

Ihavethislittlesister · 29/09/2013 08:05

Thanks Lweji. You are right I know.
HmmHmm

As you might have guessed we are in the middle of an episode now. He is in full control and I've had enough. I was slightly in wrong but was pushed by him. He's reaction to me is much worse than the original incident.

Would I actually have to leave to make my point? I would only go with kids.

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Vivacia · 29/09/2013 08:08

I wouldn't leave to make a point. I would leave in order to be safe and happy.

Do you feel in any danger now?

Ihavethislittlesister · 29/09/2013 08:12

Not in danger. He just isn't speaking to me. He knows I hate that.

He chose not to come to bed last night. That's made the biggest point. The irony is that the thing that pissed him off is usually done by him and much worse. Hmm

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WaitingForMe · 29/09/2013 08:13

For me it comes down to whether you love someone more than you love being right or getting your own way.

My ex used to twist things and ultimately saw apologising as backing down and being weak. He cared far more about himself than he did about me and before long I was self-preservationist and trying to keep my head clear through his gaslighting.

DH and I are both quick to apologise, quick to forgive and quick to move on. We don't avoid confrontation or plaster over problems with quick fix solutions but fights are an interruption to being happy and loved up and we work hard to keep them in their place and not be a big part of our relationship. We want to be united more than we want to get our own way.

Vivacia · 29/09/2013 08:14

Would it be helpful to talk through the specific incident on here?

If you are safe, then I think you're right about making planning a separation, perhaps a temporary period of space apart.

Ihavethislittlesister · 29/09/2013 08:18

Yes it would help but I'm scared he will see this. Though i changed profile name a lot. Blush

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Squeegle · 29/09/2013 08:19

My ex was like this. He was a sulker, and would sulk if I said what I thought and he didn't like it.

He would also get stroppy over silly things like no towels in the bathroom, no bread etc; things that I had forgotten to do . (Btw we both worked full time so not sure why they were my jobs anyway).

He used to try (and succeed) to control me with these awful moods, he knew that I was the peacemaker and try and keep him happy. So he really got a lot out if it. Any views of mine would be mocked, ignored or got angry about.

I don't know how normal rows are resolved. All ours were with me grovelling!!!!

We had so many miserable holidays and car journeys with him sulking or being moody. Not trying to keep his own dissatisfaction in check despite us having two children with us.

It took me a long long time to realise this wasn't normal. I kept hoping if I loved him enough, showed enough consistency etc etc, he would be "nice" more. Unfortunately the abusive side became more and more prevalent. He knew I would put up with a lot cos of the kids.

He has left now. I am so liberated. He is still a moody bastard, but thank God he is not here so I don't have to put up with it very often.

I would second you looking hard at the relationship. Is he kind to you? If you didn't have kids would you be with him? Do you want the next twenty years to be like this? What example is this for the kids?

I think I learned this behaviour btw from my mum. She has pandered to my very moody father for nearly 50 years now.

Good luck.

Ihavethislittlesister · 29/09/2013 08:20

Thing is he is so hard nosed and so strong and I'm weak in the face of this. I hate conflict and he knows that so stay quiet to avoid it

I tend to freeze in face of conflict and wouldn't be able to feel of examples of hell to make my point. Especially be cause he would try and twist every point

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Vivacia · 29/09/2013 08:20

How about PMing one of us? I don't normally do PMs, but I'm more than happy to 'listen' to you if you want to get this off your chest in a PM, and I'm sure I'm not the only one if there are posters you feel close to.

ethlinn · 29/09/2013 08:21

We argue a lot. We're both very short tempered, add my sleep deprivation to it and OH's stress at work and it doesn't take much to start a fight. But we made a rule never to go to bed without having resolved the issue. I just hate lying in the dark next to the snoring bastard and not even getting a cuddle our of it because we've not made up Grin