Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

Coping strategies needed (probably tmi)

343 replies

Toastandstrawberryjam · 15/09/2013 10:14

This isn't an easy subject to ask about and possibly some people will find it distasteful and for that I apologise.

I need coping strategies to help me get through having sex with my H. For reasons I can't go into leaving is not an option for a few years. It just isn't. I wholly wish it was.

But because we are not intimate with each other (my choice) tension is very high in the house. Intolerably so. The only answer to this (and I know because I know it's all that works) is for me to recommence relationships with a man who quite frankly makes my skin crawl. He is EA and has no respect for me, not exactly a turn on.

The last time I finally gave in after a month of demands, I felt ill and dirty for days afterwards. Is there anyway (other than getting very drunk) I can cope better with this? Meditation gets me through the act, so to speak but the thoughts afterwards are the problem.

I'm wondering if it's better done in the morning, hold it together and get the kids to school after then a very hot bath and try to blot it out. Sleeping afterwards never works.

I know it shouldn't be like this. I just need help getting the next few years out of the way. Any ideas?

OP posts:
bigbuttons · 15/09/2013 16:53

This is such a disturbing thread.
Op , believe me, you cannot be the mother you so want to be whilst you are with this man and letting him rape you. Your feelings of self loathing will grow like a canker and they WILL affect our dc.
There is NO way you can simply have a coping strategy.
From what I gather and I might be wrong, you CAN leave, there is no reason, not a real one, why you can't go.
I really can't understand why you think it is better for your children to be in a household where their mother is being raped on a regular basis.
I am so saddened by this.
Btw I 'got out' last year. left a very 'comfy' situation and 'broke up the family'. I should have done it years ago.

HairyGrotter · 15/09/2013 16:54

I'm finding this whole thread frustrating. My empathy, and sympathies extend further than most, but OP, your 'martyr' routine will and is systematically destroying your children.

Out of all of this, I feel for those children. You are blind to the effect your 'martyrdom' is doing to them. Good luck living in your dogma

BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 15/09/2013 16:55

So are you telling us that he always treats you politely in front of the kids, and always is loving and engaging towards the kids... as long as he has sex on you once a fortnight?

ClementineKelandra · 15/09/2013 16:59

Is this about a prenup? If he leaved you you'll still get some money but if you leave him within a certain time frame you get nothing?

MatildaWhispers · 15/09/2013 17:01

I am assuming your h would be thinking that you were up for sex. Have you really thought this through?

Might he not start pushing for you to do things you don't want to, because you are trying to just go along with it and you don't want to upset him? So if he does that, would you just go along with that too?

You seem to be thinking you will be totally in control, but you won't be. It will start in a bad place and get worse. Are you absolutely positive you have told rl people and your counsellor exactly how you feel about this?

Toastandstrawberryjam · 15/09/2013 17:03

Boulevard - he's not perfect at those times, can still be a bit grumpy but the whole household is calm and happy because the tension isn't there. And then the little remarks at me start and the put downs. The comments about my weight and how I look. The finding something urgent to do so he can't help with bedtime. The failing to engage with the children or want to do things with them. It's subtle. He's not beating the crap out of me, just increasing my workload and stress up and up.

OP posts:
Dam58 · 15/09/2013 17:04

It's very difficult to give advice when we have no idea what you need to hold on to for the next 2 years.
I don't think you're a prostitute nor do i think you're being raped. I do find on mn there does tend to be lots of emotive language used.

I am not minimising your experience or anyone elses opinion....however i don't think you have any right to ask for advice on a situation you are not prepared to divulge information about to those you are asking.

Toastandstrawberryjam · 15/09/2013 17:06

Matilda - no he doesn't care if I'm not "up for it". He knows I get no pleasure from it.

OP posts:
dreamingbohemian · 15/09/2013 17:06

Ok that explains a bit more. But I agree with whoever said that your friends and others are not really agreeing that you should stay, they just see that you are stuck and are not trying to force you to see things differently (unlike us internet strangers).

If your counsellor has gotten you from thinking you're at fault to knowing you have to leave, that's already a big step. I hope she can help you see that you can leave sooner. Two years is just too long. I'm not sure you realise how dangerous it is to stay in that state for so long. In a way it is more dangerous than when you didn't realise how bad things were.

I really think it would be better for you to try to cope with the fallout from not having sex at all. Find ways for all of you to be out of the house a lot so that his moods don't affect the kids so much. I'm sure there must be a way to pretend you have some medical condition that means you can't have sex. Basically, stalling tactics and keeping the kids at arm's length. It won't work for two years but it doesn't sound like you really need to wait that long.

Toastandstrawberryjam · 15/09/2013 17:07

Dam58 - I totally understand that you and many others find it too difficult to give advice without the whole picture. What's most frustrating is I know if I said it that a lot of you would think the same way. But I am fairly sure people I know in RL post on here, I cannot risk them identifying me and knowing I plan to leave.

OP posts:
ihatethecold · 15/09/2013 17:09

This thread is quite ridiculous.
how can you let this situation go on another day?

you must have some unbelievable reason for staying to do this damage to yourself.

MatildaWhispers · 15/09/2013 17:10

Ok, but might he still end up pushing for you to do more sexually? Think about how you could handle that.

And would you cope if you fell pregnant?

Portofino · 15/09/2013 17:12

What would honestly happen if you just refused to have sex?

Dam58 · 15/09/2013 17:12

I made my point-now i want to help.

Is there anything you could do that would turn him off?

Instead of trying to meet his needs to keep him contained... Is there anything you could do to make him not want to?

Portofino · 15/09/2013 17:13

I mean that in the genuine sense of what would you have to deal with by refusing?

OxfordBags · 15/09/2013 17:17

Op, listen to me. If you were feeling that way, and believing those things about yourself, before you went into counselling, and your counsellor has had to work hard to disavow you of them, then you must have been, and still are, in an extremely abusive relationship for a long time. Only the victims of sustained and systematic abuse feel and believe like that. Only the victims of sustained and systematic abuse could even concepualise of allowing themselves to be raped for another two years as some sort of coping mechanism that benefited their children.

You say that if you do not submit to him, he is horrid to the children. The way to solve that is NOT to submit, it is to leave him.

There is a weird characteristic about abuse victims that people don't like to mention becaue it sounds blamey, when none of the blame belongs to them. But here it is, and it really does apply to you: abuse is so psychologically traumatic, makes you think about yourself and examine yourself so very much, all the time, that even though your actions and decision may outwardly seem selfless, the abuse make you become self-centred... In a non-selfish way. YOU need to minimise, to deny things to yourself, you need to deludeyourself, you need to give yourself time, you need to tell yourself that the kids are fine and ignore every sign to the contrary, every bit of commonsense that tells you that they are being messed up - you need to do all of this to cope. But what you also do is demand that your children do the same, as well as coping with the EA they get from him, and being a used by the family environment and worrying about their mother. Not even the greatest actress on earth could hide how abuse affects her, all the time. Just because they chat normally doesn't mean they are unharmed. You chat normally, and you are allowing yourself to be raped. They can appear okay because you are teaching them the terrible lesson of pretending that appalling things don't matter. Training to accept abuse themselves, when older, is another way of putting it.

Your family dynamic is poor, you admit that. It is abuse for children to stay in that. Their future selves cannot give you two years for whatever bullshit reason you are lying to yourself about being too impossible to leave. Staying guarantees extra layers of damage upon what already undoubtedly exists within them.

Abuse is awful. One of the worse aspects is that because abuse of a mother abuses their children as a result, when women stay with abusers, it makes them collusive, against their will, against everything they really do want, in that abuse to the DC.

You risk them begruding you, even hating you, when they are grown, for staying with this man. Any inkling of prostituting yourself to their father for 'their sake' will probably put them in therapy for the best part of a decade, at least.

I'm sorry to be so harsh, but you really need to see the truth here.

dreamingbohemian · 15/09/2013 17:18

OP it's really two separate issues

One, you say you cannot leave right now. I think a lot of us understand that it can take a long time to leave and nobody would want to rush you or have you end up in a bad situation when waiting would help.

But two, you are willing to force yourself to have sex with him while you are waiting. That is the part people cannot understand. I think if you asked for help coping with his moods while not having sex with him, people would give you a lot of help and suggestions. But helping to make it okay that he rapes you is just deeply problematic.

You think we would agree with you if we knew the full story. We might agree that you can't leave but honestly I am really struggling to think of any scenario that would make me think, oh right, yes she should keep having sex with him. I just can't. And I've seen it all really.

Havea0 · 15/09/2013 17:18

Toast. I am glad that you know that there is a chance that you could be wrong.
You are. btw, I am very far from being a ltb poster. If you look me up, you will see that.

But this man is systematically destroying your mental health, as I suspected. You came close to a mental breakdown, as I suspected. You have low self esteem as others on here also suspected.

You can seperate if there is at all a religious element to all of this. That is ok by the bible.

Please think about the children. They so need a well mum, especially with the dad they have.

Toastandstrawberryjam · 15/09/2013 17:18

By refusing? I guess I don't know. It's as bad as it's ever been, the situation is electric.

To turn him off - if I lost lots of weight that would happen. Stopped wearing make up, had my hair cut off, wore ugly clothes. I could do that but it's taken me years to build up my esteem so I want to look nice for me. To take that away will destroy that.

Pregnancy can't happen. As to what else he might ask for, tbh it's months since I even kissed him that alone is enough of a hurdle.

OP posts:
Havea0 · 15/09/2013 17:19

One thing that MN posters are good at on the relationship board is about strategies for leaving.
They are supportive and full of knowledge and advice.

op.

Wellwobbly · 15/09/2013 17:20

Sorry Strawberry!!!!!! A shadow of doubt DID cross my mind... I meant Toast of course.

Toastandstrawberryjam · 15/09/2013 17:22

Forgive me if I'm being slow on the uptake here. But it would be ok to say no to him? To say I'm sorry but you don't respect me or seem to like me or care for me. So no I'm not doing that with you.

That's ok?

I don't need to?

Am I being a complete idiot thinking that I have to to hold it together? That it's all my fault when it isn't really?

OP posts:
Portofino · 15/09/2013 17:23

Of course it is.

prettywhiteguitar · 15/09/2013 17:24

Just post in oftbt If you're worried about people in rl recognising you

People really can't be expected to give constructive advice without the whole picture

Dam58 · 15/09/2013 17:24

Interesting....you're not prepared to wear ugly clothes and lose weight to put him off as it will effect your self esteem?

But you do want strategies to have sex with someone who makes your "skin crawl"....

Your priorities are a little messed up.