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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: thread 26

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 13/09/2013 20:55

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you’re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you’re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don’t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
BreatheandFlyAway · 23/10/2013 23:46

I know what you mean, thats - we have to work through it, because none of the fws are 100% evil, that's what makes us question ourselves for so long. It's totally reasonable that we have to make sense of it for ourselves.

Your H wasn't perhaps putting lives at risk (though he was narrowing the safety margin by quite a lot, which no reasonable person would do) but he was blaming you unreasonably, intimidating you, making the dog fall about painfully - can you imagine you doing any of that?( I found seeing through my fw a little easier when I tried to picture myself doing things he had done - it helped with the spag head a lot Grin)

foolonthehill · 24/10/2013 11:01

Actually I think he was putting lives at risk....the brakes were dodgy weren't they? He could not know that they would cope with what he was doing.

Yes, this could be your last straw....if you are ready.

the truth is that any test you set he will either pass or fail but he is still bad enough to leave....

ninilegsintheair · 24/10/2013 11:08

Missed it last night but sad to see AF has been banned, she was a great help to me when I first started to see my FW for what he really was last year. Sad

Thats, my FW does the same while driving and it's scary. Not actually driving like a total dick but the general carelessness and 'they'll get out of the way for me' thing that you can see on another day would have caused an accident. Sounds deliberate on the part of your FW. The fact you feel the need to make excuses for him says it all - someone (anyone!) should not make you feel afraid while in a car with them! Hope you're ok Thanks

foolonthehill · 24/10/2013 11:08

now, to cheer you up (or not depending)

some of you will know that my "D"H who has done all manner of things over the 2 years (exactly 2 yesterday) since we separated...took me to court accusing me of child abuse an PA/EA of him. Lied in the witness box, his mum lied for him too. The judge saw right through him and ruled in my favour!!

Cafcass now to look at contact with me vindicated....

I know their outcomes can be contrary to our wishes...but I really feel glad that one layer of the legal process saw right through him Grin there is always hope.

Maybe eventually he'll stop stalling the divorce (or not)

ninilegsintheair · 24/10/2013 11:15

That is very much a reason to cheer, Fool. Hooray for that clever judge! Grin (and Angry that even his mum lied for him, wonder where he gets it huh!)

Here's hoping he stops stalling on the divorce front aswell. What a FW.

Wine all around! Smile

thatsnotmynamereally · 24/10/2013 11:41

Fool that is fantastic news... so glad to hear that justice is done but sorry for what he's put you through! Good luck with cafcass.

Thanks well done on 2 years-- and now you can look forward to the future!

WTF- his mum lying for him?? don't remember that!

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 24/10/2013 12:31

fool brilliant news. time for some bunting later Grin

TheSilveryPussycat · 24/10/2013 12:50

Excellent news fool. Hope the end of The Long and Winding Road is not too far off. (See what I did there?)

BreatheandFlyAway · 24/10/2013 12:54

fool brilliant news, well deserved, too. Wine Brew Flowers

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 24/10/2013 13:14

Also news of AF's demise are greatly exaggerated (to paraphrase)
one week ban. so hopefully she will be back.Smile

ColinButterfly · 24/10/2013 13:35

I hope AF will be back, I'm another one helped by her in some way. When I first joined MN about FW and ignored everyone and left again, I'd be having arguments or something with FW and it was her words that kept ringing in my head.

Fool I'm very pleased with the judge.

I've had a really odd day. It started off with the realisation that 6 months without FW have passed. I sat at my desk and cried for about two hours and it just seems impossible he's been gone that long and before I know it, a year will have passed and I don't want a year without him. I don't want a life without him.

Then I found out my FW, violent, abusive grandfather is in the area and he has been such a toxic influence on the family that thankfully I've not had to encounter first hand. They've caused so much damage that is too identifying to go into today and I am torn between feeling heartbroken over FW and thinking, lucky escape.

foolonthehill · 24/10/2013 20:58

go with lucky escape....the rest of your life is out there waiting!

Never be conned into thinking Mr Nice was the real him...scratch just beneath the surface and Mr Selfish is always there. Mr Nice served Mr Selfish, not the other way round so guess who won when there was a conflict?

foolonthehill · 24/10/2013 20:59

PS The long and winding road...leading to the frog chorus????

Evilwater · 24/10/2013 22:05

Can I join? I've just come to the realisation that my long term (of around 8 years) P is starting to emotionally black mail me, and he has OCD.
I can't cope with him any more, and I'm seeing the GP on Tuesday and see if they can help. If not, which will be the case. I need to leave with my son.
Hand holding will be needed, as mr nice is here today.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 24/10/2013 23:38

evilwater welcome. sorry you find yourself in this position. hand holding when you need it. Brew

thatsnotmynamereally · 25/10/2013 06:39

evil I hope your GP is helpful next week. Is P's OCD the only problem? or is he using it as a cover to excuse controlling and abusive behaviour? How is he blackmailing you?

I would recommend speaking to Women's Aid or a similar organisation to plan your exit so that you and your son are safe. When I spoke to our GP about my H's aggressive behaviour (thinking it was related to some medication he was on) I was advised to call our local branch for support/advice-- they don't only deal with violent partners and emergencies and know that often angry and controlling men escalate to violence when they think their partners are planning to leave.

But for handholding this is a good safe place to come.

PS Mink many thanks for the lovely image you planted in my head the other day of stomping out of H's life wearing my 'loudest' shoes... boots at the ready Grin

Evilwater · 25/10/2013 07:23

thatsnot his normal obsessions which I can handle, have all changed and moved to our son, and nothing is more important than our son. But it's got to the stage where he is emotional blackmailing me to have flu jabs, and controlling where our son plays and with what. For he might get sick, and it's all my fault. Also he says he will phone SS and get our son taken away if I don't do what he says, as well as all the name calling and your stupid ect. Oh and he dosn't like me MN, and seeing some of my friends too, and the whole eating thing too.

I'm planning to leave him when he's left the house for his 4x4 weekend, as he works from home as is always home.

thatsnotmynamereally · 25/10/2013 07:34

evil oh no, I agree that sounds serious... always makes me furious when men threaten to involve SS as a threat. I wonder if you can document any of his demands? sounds very unreasonable to demand that he DS gets a flu jab, how old is he? And is he insisting that do you not get any say in the matter? that is totally undermining you as a parent.

That is a good plan to leave while he is away, sounds like you've thought it through but try to involve others for support-- or you may just get sucked back in when he is being Mr Nice and trying to get you to come back... make sure you protect yourself and DS as number one priority.

thatsnotmynamereally · 25/10/2013 07:36

PS you may already be thinking about this... but don't let him know you come on MN!

Evilwater · 25/10/2013 07:47

Well our son is just 1. I told him that DS has just had his MMr jab so he can't have any more for a while, me on the other hand. Ouch! Of course there is a lot more crap that's happened over the years, but this is the line in the sand.

I'm afriad he will fight me for Ds and he has ALOT more money than me. (Yes, another flash point) And his family are rich, and mine well....think piss poor.

Thanks for the advice thatsnot

Evilwater · 25/10/2013 07:51

I stopped MN for a while, so he thinks I'm not on here anymore, but I'm deleting my history from my browser, and have changed my passwords. Is there anything else I have forgotten?

Evilwater · 25/10/2013 07:53

And I've not told him anything.

thatsnotmynamereally · 25/10/2013 08:11

evil I always use private browsing 'incognito' mode when I come on MN. I don't trust deleting history and he may be suspicious if you do. Put some other sites up in your browser so he thinks you are looking at something altogether different.

I also post on another forum which he knows about (just a nice group of women and we have a common interest, it is very innocent but he HATES it being a women-oriented interest so I wouldn't dare let on about MN) and I leave that open in the main browser so he thinks I am always on that one-- so he can spew bile and rant away about that one but I feel safe that he doesn't know what I am really doing... doesn't bear thinking what he would do if he knew how much I was 'sharing'!

Please talk to WA/CAB to see where you stand legally, before you leave if possible he will no doubt be furious with you for leaving without his 'permission' and fight you for custody etc... I am no expert as I've stuck around until my kids have left for uni but others have been in your situation and there is loads of good advice out there. In the meantime DO NOT let him know what you are up to.

BreatheandFlyAway · 25/10/2013 11:20

Good luck Evilwater, he sounds horribly controlling. I agree with thats about not giving him a whiff of MN activity - great idea to have the cover, mildly annoying (to him, not you, obvs!) women's website to get him off track of the real thing, thats! though terrible you have to do that! Brilliant spywork though, we'd all be top runners for MI5!

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 25/10/2013 13:01

Seconding going to WA. also start securing documents if you can- copies of his bank statements, evidence of income, make sure you have things such as birth certificates and passport before you go.

If he threatens or abuses you in anyway including verbal abuse, report it to 101. They can log it without taking action. this both makes the police aware that you may be at risk if it kicks off and it gives you evidence you can use if you need it for legal aid or any other action he may throw at you.

Get an escape fund together if you can. And if you are married then you are entitled to a share of marital assets. it is not his money, it is your joint money.

The more you get in place before you go the easier it is but do stay safe. lots of people on here can give you better advice than me (my own escape was mercifully easy) so if you need anything just ask.

I think planning to leave while he is not around is the best idea. don't give him the chance to headwork you.
Good luck and Godspeed.

And we are always here for hand holding, validation etc.

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