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Bewildered and confused

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bewilderedagain · 08/09/2013 08:40

Am so confused and bewildered (again) that I could use some support in helping me see the wood from the trees.

I have been with my DP just over 6 years. We live together and our dcs are both grown up and live elsewhere.

95% of the time our relationship is great, He is understanding, funny, kind, loyal etc, etc.

Except when we row.

Rows used to be very infrequent....about 3 a year at most if that.

In the last 6 weeks I can count at least 4. If I give you just an example of last nights you might be able to give me some perspective.

Started over something really stupid (don't they all?) Wanted a Chinese takeaway, usual one wasn't taking orders so looked online and found another and ordered.

Messed about...order arrived 1 hr 20 mins later after 3 phone calls....arrived in bag which had spilt the food everywhere so that was the end of that.

Annoying but not the end of the world. I offered to make bacon sandwiches to be told 'fuck that I'll go and get a takeaway myself". I told him quite calmly that if he did that I would be calling the police as he would be over the limit. ( The simple reason neither of us went out earlier to collect was that we had a drink. Not a lot but enough to be over the limit. He has never ever thought it would be ok to ride his motorbike after drinking)

He then yelled at me to phone another place and he would walk and pick it up. I have told him recently that I won't respond if he shouts at me and that as such he could phone them himself.

Then followed a barrage of shouting at me telling me I'm just like all woman in that I needle and wind him up and then ask innocently "what have I done wrong?"

I genuinely did not know what I had done wrong and when I tried to talk to him was met "oh just fuck off!" several times. His face was absolutely contorted with rage.

He then proceeded to tell me that I had rowed with him earlier in the day and "why wouldn't I just bloody listen" Plumber came out, made boiler situation worse...ok now we need to sort out. Not a problem. The plumber had told him all sorts of things couldn't be done and we would need a new radiator. DP says he thinks that is bullshit and he will speak to his boss (Knowledgeable) and ask him. I asked a few questions about why couldn't we do this or that just to try to understand. I then said ok shall we call British Gas and we agreed we would. Sorted. No raised voices, no frustration just a conversation (in my head) Later in the evening he was shouting that I had argued with him about this..."you never bloody listen, you always have to bloody argue" There wasn't an argument! There really wasn't. I remember...I was there.

It isn't the first time he's accuse me of arguing when I merely wanted clarification about something and to ask some questions (I work with people I don't understand the ins and outs of machines around the home etc.)

This might sound trivial but it is making me very uneasy.
Am I forgetting things? Did we have a row and I really can't remember it? Is it a row if I ask questions? I wasn't saying I know better (I don't)

I asked him to tell me what I had said that he thought was me arguing, mainly so I could actually see what he was getting at. He told me to "fuck off and leave him alone " and sneered "of course you never do anything wrong do you?" Well obviously that's not the case but on this occasion I am genuinely bewildered.

So, I get accused of arguing but when I try to ask what I said that he perceived as arguing (because that would actually help) I get told to fuck off and shut up.

I think this has now happened once too often and that we are through which breaks my heart.

Am I over thinking it?
Perhaps it's not really that bad?

Please can anyone help me see what might be happening?

I am genuinely bewildered

Thanks

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Gruntfuttock · 08/09/2013 14:03

I hesitate to say this, but it's sounding as though he doesn't want to be with you any more, but that makes him angry because he feels as though he has nowhere to go, since he lives in your house. I think it's the frustration of feeling 'trapped' that is causing this terrible anger. You have to make him leave and you will both be happier in the (not too) long run. Time to start again for both of you.

bewilderedagain · 08/09/2013 14:11

I would have thought that too Gruntfuttock if I didn't know him.

When he's not doing this he is the most loving man I have ever known and he is stubborn enough to walk out and be on the streets rather than stay with someone he didn't want to be with.

So many things coming back now. Last week I was told I snapped at him in the supermarket when I said I hadn't finished (he was going to pay) I know I didn't....I know when I snap.

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Gruntfuttock · 08/09/2013 14:12

Could he be suffering from depression?

bewilderedagain · 08/09/2013 14:17

I don't think so, he is very open about how he feels.

Even when he was low with the threat of redundancy, this wasn't happening.

I honestly cannot bear another round of being shouted at if I try to raise this and discuss.

I hold my hand up.....I must clearly be awful to live with. He can do himself a favour and leave me.

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turbochildren · 08/09/2013 16:01

You are describing to a T someone in a abusive relationship. Like Missmanaged said. It's insidious and difficult to put your finger on, but you feel crap. And to have to beg for him to say what you did to make him cross. Fuckwittery of highest order. That is him being a total arse, and it makes you question yourself, go through everything in detail to try to get a handle on it etc. No, it's not worth it.
Yes it is your house, off he goes. Too bad if he feels less of a man, or what it is, you are not responsible for him.
Good luck op, he is messing with your head and reading your posts shows how ugly it is.
Reread them and see how he twists things. It's not worth it, Missmanaged has got it spot on.

bewilderedagain · 08/09/2013 16:11

Thank you turbochildren ...you are so right ...I just can't put my finger on it. He is so lovely in every other way that it does make me doubt myself.

I must wind him up so much if he feels he has to keep shouting at me....he should pack his bags and go.

Thank you everybody, this has really helped me.

I am sitting in my little summer house shed with wine, chocolate, a good book and mn. Lovely and peaceful

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Walkacrossthesand · 08/09/2013 16:33

So, you told him last night that this was it, the end - what happens now? Are you going to ask him to vacate your house while you're away (from Wednesday) - are you at all worried that he might angrily damage stuff while he's there alone - what are your thoughts? As an often-lurker on threads of EA, your thought that 'if I'm so useless/wind him up so much , surely he'll be relieved its over' is one of the hallmarks - because, if he does resist going, it's telling you that he likes having you to yell at and criticise. Not a nice thought.

bewilderedagain · 08/09/2013 17:27

I don't know walkacrossthesand I really don't.

I don't think he would damage stuff but I don't feel like I know either him or myself at the moment.

We haven't said a single word to each other all day. This goes against the grain for me as I don't do the silent stuff. I grew up with a mother who would ignore me for days on end and I mean days. She would wait until I withdrew into myself and would then ask me "how long are you going to keep this up for!?" Confused

I am sitting out here trying to imagine life without him. It feels weird.

I think maybe it would help if I had a look at some of the EA threads.

I just don't want to believe that the man I love and who is supposed to love and adore me would be doing this.

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bewilderedagain · 08/09/2013 18:12

He has gone to bed now in the spare room.

The usual pattern is that I go in to see him to try to make the peace, try to put my point across.....ask again for explanations.

It's usually met with being told to just leave him alone. I end up absolutely distraught and then....if I'm very lucky he will come and comfort me.

Then it is all forgotten till the next time.

Think I will cut out stages 1 and 3 and just leave him alone.

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DorothyBastard · 08/09/2013 18:35

I don't have any advice to offer you but I think other posters on this thread have given you some really good advice already. I just wanted to add that I think you are doing so well to be so strong and level-headed in the face of his behaviour.

It is the mark of an emotionally aware person that you can identify previous patterns and decide not to act in the same way (like following him to the spare room etc). Instead you seem to be calmly deciding not to put up with unacceptable treatment. You are strong and excellent. Well done you, you don't deserve to be dicked around this way, especially not by the one who professes to love you.

bewilderedagain · 08/09/2013 18:40

Thank you DorothyBastard I have decided that this is make or break whatever happens.

I don't feel very strong tbh but I am trying to be.

Posting here has helped me stay strong today.

Thank you all

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lilithtime · 08/09/2013 19:31

OP what you describe is abuse. It is not normal to be told to fuck off for one. My ex was like that. I only realised how bad it actually was once I had left. The 5% cancels out everything else. In a non abusive relationship you can disagree without being verbally abused.

For the record I am now 7 years down the line and have never ever regretted leaving.

NamelessMcNally · 08/09/2013 19:38

Bewildered, does he know your history with your mother? It strikes me that his replication of this is a particularly insidious form of control.

My DF was an alcoholic. DH and I drink and have a reasonably healthy relationship with alcohol but every year a situation comes up which is horribly triggering for me. For a few years I felt hugely impotent and angry and resentful at him over this. Then I spoke to him about how it made me feel and why. He still does the same thing but we have agreed certain parameters which mean it doesn't trigger me. And because he loves me even though he doesn't fully get it he respects that he works in those parameters as it means a lot to me.

bewilderedagain · 08/09/2013 19:40

He tells me lilithtime that he wishes he had a video camera so he could film me and I could see what I'm really like Confused This is what plays with my head.
I know deep down inside that I have not been out of order but then he sounds so convincing.
I'm glad you got out...hope you are happier now

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Walkacrossthesand · 08/09/2013 21:09

Bewildered, I think you are doing the right thing in not following the old familiar patterns of going in to grovel and open yourself up to further haranguing. He's not doing a very good job of explaining to you, a receptive and insightful person, what it is that (allegedly) 'winds him up' so I doubt you'd be able to see anything of any consequence on a video recording . Maybe your eyebrows move in an irritating way?! Confused Besides, what reflection is he doing around his own contribution to these scenarios?

bewilderedagain · 08/09/2013 21:14

Perhaps I will get my eyebrows waxed off tomorrow....problem sorted!

Thank you for making me smile Walkacrossthesand :)

I have surpassed myself and not gone in to grovel. I think that is probably the first time ever.

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Jagdkuh · 08/09/2013 21:27

You work in mental health but cannot relate/understand his feelings in anyway? you are also on anti depressents, whilst working in mh? the ice cold tone of your posts worries me. do you think your medication is having an adverse effect on you? in my opinion they are.

Jagdkuh · 08/09/2013 21:27

You work in mental health but cannot relate/understand his feelings in anyway? you are also on anti depressents, whilst working in mh? the ice cold tone of your posts worries me. do you think your medication is having an adverse effect on you? in my opinion they are.

KatyTheCleaningLady · 08/09/2013 21:35

What the fuck, jagdkuh?

flippingebay · 08/09/2013 21:37

I hope all goes well tonight op, having been married to a similar man, all I'll say us stay strong.. You are not going mad, if you didn't think you snapped, then you didn't...

He's trying to regain control again by sleeping in the spare room. You go grovelling and he eventually comforts you... That's not how 'grown ups' work. They don't deliberately hurt someone so they can remain in control.

You're doing brilliantly, but don't be surprised if his behaviour escalates when he realises you aren't following the usual script

KatyTheCleaningLady · 08/09/2013 21:38

I don't think the OP's posts are ice cold.

And wtf about her working in mental health while on ad's?? what does that have to do with anything?

Walkacrossthesand · 08/09/2013 21:38

Hmm - several points here, jagdkuh. Firstly, OPs DH is refusing to have any kind of calm discussion about how he feels, preferring to yell at OP that everything is all her fault. Secondly, being on ADs is not a contra-indication to working in MH. Thirdly, ' ice cold'? Not from where I'm reading, OP, but each to their own I suppose...,

BalloonSlayer · 08/09/2013 21:40

^
uh oh

does he know your username, OP?

flippingebay · 08/09/2013 21:42

OP isn't ice cold, she sounds hurt and upset...

And ADs in MH ??? And ???

lisylisylou · 08/09/2013 22:01

So it was all your fault with the Chinese and that they weren't taking orders and it was your fault that he food had spilt everywhere? You asked him not to drink drive and you also tried your best with the plumber and where was he at the time? What is he doing while you're sorting things out? I'm confused as to why is he not offering to help? There's definitely some sort of underlying problem he's either going through and he's snapping at you or he doesn't know how to talk about it as he's a bloke! Stay strong, usually if I think my husband has been an arsehole then I simply will not talk to him until I receive an apology - usually he breaks lol. By the sounds of it you are being reasonable to me