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Mil (age 67) and fil (72) say they now find it "too tiring" to have our dc to stay for 3 days in the summer holidays

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Mintyy · 01/09/2013 18:09

I'm a bit surprised. When I'm 67 I would hope to have the energy to hang out with a 10 year old and a 12 year old who require no more care than having their meals cooked and to be reminded to have a shower/go to bed (10 year old only).

Or is that unrealistic of me?

Mil is less than 17 years older than me to put it in context Grin.

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LadyMilfordHaven · 01/09/2013 22:25

i think overnights are special

i have happy memories of bresakfast with my grandpa

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 01/09/2013 22:25

NWB - for example - one thing my mum does do and does love is reading the DDs a bedtime story. Now granted they are 10 and 7, so younger then Mintyy's lot, but the chance to see them en famille freshly scrubbed and sweet smelling in their jammies, is IMO not something you can replicate with a day visit.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 01/09/2013 22:27

Perhaps you should give up, OP. :o

It's still not clear to me. Ok, there's semantics there: I'm using "childcare" to mean any time with children in loco parentis. You're using it to mean a regular arrangement, I think?

But this is unclear: you say you don't expect them to do anything, but you expect them to cook a bit more food and go on a couple of outings, along with the responsibility of being in loco parentis.

I can see that it seems very little to ask to you. But (obviously) your PILs are not you.

And sadly, both your OP and your latest post made it sound like the point of the thread was to talk about how you hope you will be better than them when you get to their age. You don't seem willing to delve a little deeper into understanding their perspective.

Mintyy · 01/09/2013 22:28

I'll consider myself to be incredibly lucky if I become a gp by the age of 67 but that's my fault for having my dc so late!

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 01/09/2013 22:28

But something that they have plenty of opportunity to see in the weekend visits, Hearts.

Maryz · 01/09/2013 22:29

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KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 01/09/2013 22:29

NotWilliam
It's only a special memory if the grandparents are really in to their grandchildren and make it fun.
If not - yep pretty miserable alround.

prettybird · 01/09/2013 22:30

My own grandparents (both sets) lived 6000 miles away from the time I was 3.

As a result, my grandmother paid for my brother and I (age 11 and 13) to go over for two weeks so that she could get to know us better (she'd visited us two, maybe 3 times before then). She wanted to spend time with us.

She could afford it far less than my mother's parents (who had also visited a couple of times) but family was important to her. She didn't take it for granted. She would also write weekly, send thoughtful not expensive presents and was a lovely person.

As a result, I have very fond memories of her and as an adult would take time to go and visit her. Dh also learnt to love her. She was my Mum's favourite relative as her own parents were somewhat toxic

I am so glad we were able to visit with ds aged 13 months, so that she got a chance (at 87) to meet her first great grandchild.

But it does have to be something that everyone wants to do. You can't force it. Relationships require effort on both sides.

sameoldIggi · 01/09/2013 22:30

My dm is desperate to have ds stay with her, she has over ten years on the OP's mum and lots of health issues. My MiL is younger, fitter, and finds it too hard. not that I'd leave him there anyway
I think attitude comes into it as much as actual fitness or lack of it.

Mintyy · 01/09/2013 22:31

Am I expecting childcare if mil and fil invite my dc to stay with them? is that what you are saying Confused?

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KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 01/09/2013 22:31

Charlotte PLEEEEEEEEASE read the ACTUAL THREAD - Please your doing my head in!!

Maryz · 01/09/2013 22:31

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 01/09/2013 22:31

No, not expecting it. But getting it, nonetheless!

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 01/09/2013 22:32

I aaaaaaammmm! I'm just a totally different person from you and I am reading it through my eyes!

Confused

Ok, I'm off to bed. I clearly don't get it!

HabitualLurker · 01/09/2013 22:34

My parents are in their early 70s, have my nieces for sleepovers regularly and will hopefully do the same for my son when he's old enough.

BUT, I'm pretty sure 3 days in a row would be too tiring for them these days. They've really aged in the last 5 years, and I can see that they find hosting other people draining. As someone said upthread, it's not necessarily the physical work, it can be mentally tiring to have someone there all the time to interact with if you're not used to it.

Mandy21 · 01/09/2013 22:34

Havent read all if the replies but I think its upto them, it msy be an excuse, or they may generally think its too much.

Its a shame because I think the grandparent / grandchild relationship is very special - I'm not saying they cant still have that without sleepovers but imagine its easier when they spend lots of time with each other.

My parents are similar age (68 and 70). They've just taken my 3 children (youngest is 4 - so pretty full on) abroad (5hr flight) for almost 3 weeks! They all had a fabulous time (although think my parents slept round the clock the day they got home!!)

Mandy21 · 01/09/2013 22:35

Havent read all if the replies but I think its upto them, it msy be an excuse, or they may generally think its too much.

Its a shame because I think the grandparent / grandchild relationship is very special - I'm not saying they cant still have that without sleepovers but imagine its easier when they spend lots of time with each other.

My parents are similar age (68 and 70). They've just taken my 3 children (youngest is 4 - so pretty full on) abroad (5hr flight) for almost 3 weeks! They all had a fabulous time (although think my parents slept round the clock the day they got home!!)

MacaYoniandCheese · 01/09/2013 22:37

Is it possible that they are worried about being responsible for your children in case something goes wrong? My children used to go and stay with my PILs (individually) when they were tiny but MIL declined having them after a few years. It turned out that FIL was beginning to have some health and dementia issues (tiring enough on their own) and she was worried about the children coming to harm (he used to enjoy taking them for rides on his ride-on lawnmowner and things like that...you can imagine the implications).

Nanny0gg · 01/09/2013 22:37

NannyOgg -Why don't you ever have your grandchildren over for a sleepover? Do you ever see it through their eyes? Would they not really enjoy it and cherish the memory (depending on age, sleepovers are very important)? Would you not do it for just one night so they have that special memory?
I actually think I have made (and hope to continue making) lots of special memories with my DGC. (Yes I live quite near them in answer to a previous poster). We go out lots, they visit and I visit them, together and separately.
I don't think them staying in my house will make much difference to them. And I suppose I am not a particularly fun or exciting GP!

IceCreamForCrow · 01/09/2013 22:38

At what point do you think:

'Regardless of the fact that I'm still fit and well, that these are my grandchildren, that my own child could clearly use a small bit of help here, that it's only a few days out of many I now have free...no actually...I'm too tired/it's never possible for x,y,z, reasons. Because the bottom line is that this just isn't something I want to put myself out for.' ?

Gawd I hope to god I don't go don't go down that route in my 60's health permitting.

My own mother would be aghast to see it put that way. She adores my dc and is a lovely grandma. But they never ever stay over and I admit I really could have used that help esp when they were a bit younger. It wasn't forthcoming and yes I suck it up nicely.

Absolutely my dc, my problem etc. Any sleepover would primarily have benefitted me it's true, but if my own dc become adults who are beyond knackered with three dc under three and need a rest I'd like to think I'd step in.

But from the age of her being 54-> when she became a grandmother (not so much older than I am now incidentally) my dc have never done sleepovers with her. We never mention it because she likes to be seen as a very hands on grandparent and I pave the way to make it look like she is. It's easier all round to collude with her on her ideal of herself, to allow her to essentially cherry pick the bits she wants. That's probably the perogative of a gp after all.

But the truth is, yes to myself (and I'd never say it to her of course), I find it hard to understand. Because as a child I spent an awful lot of time at my own grandma'sConfused. An awful lot looking back.

ChunkyFicken · 01/09/2013 22:43

Well Mintyy (trying desperately to stick to topic), I guess if the grandparents say they're too tired to have dgc then I guess they are just too tired. For whatever reason.

And yes, you probably will be a much more involved grandparent. Don't we all think we'll be better than the previous generation at most things?!

As an aside, being new to MN, aren't we allowed to wonder even slightly off topic on threads? I always thought of them as a conversation and other elements of the main conversation crept in. Or is that not allowed (genuinely confused...).

prettybird · 01/09/2013 22:47

Like BIWI earlier, this thread is a salutary lesson to me to maintain my fitness (in both body and mind) so that I can cope with ds and any grandchildren hopefully a long way in the future and actually enjoy their company Smile.

My dad's aunt (his mum's older sister Shock) has only just died, aged 100. If granny had stayed in Denmark all her life, I'm sure she'd have had a similar lifespan.

I hope that Dad has the same genes so he can enjoy seeing his grandchildren growing up - and they can enjoy getting to know him when he is not gallivanting around the world

And I hope I in turn have the same genes Grin. Especially as the retirement age is going up. I think mine is currently 67 - but that may change Hmm.

KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 01/09/2013 22:48

IceCream - just wanted to say I can really relate to that, and I found your post really interesting - you put it so well!

thegreylady · 01/09/2013 22:49

I am 69 and dh is 77. We are not in best of health but have had dgs aged 4 and 6 for two nights and 3dgc aged 10, 13 and 15 for a separate two nights. If they wanted to they could I am sure. I'll have my dgc to stay as long as I am able..

Maryz · 01/09/2013 22:50

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