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i am unreasonably jealous of DD relationship with her boyfriends mum

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ThatVikRinA22 · 21/08/2013 21:25

i know this probably isnt reasonable or rational.

DD is just 16. She has had a boyfriend for 18 months - he is lovely and i really think they are a great match.

She goes to his house a couple of times a week and he comes here.

thing is somthing she said today really tugged at my heart strings.
i am in the process of buying her a double bed and redecorating her room - because she wanted it. She gets £50 a month allowance. I think we have a good relationship.
today she went to see her boyfriends mum for an hour and a half even though BF wasnt home.
she said they were chatting.
i asked her if she could talk to her more easily than me
and here is where the knife went in.,,,,,she said yes.

i feel i should think myself lucky that she has someone else to talk to - but i am hurt.
next week i am taking her for a spa break, including lots of treats and pampering, an over night stay, etc.

i feel like i have had a smack in the teeth.

she thinks i am embarassing because i drink wine and i have rats as pets - she says im weird.
if i stop to think about what she said i feel like i could cry.
i have given over my entire life to my kids - only beginning a career when i was 38 and they were well into their teens.

im hurt. when she said it i couldnt help saying "well tell her to take you for a spa break next week then"....i felt immediately stupid but it just came out.
DH gave me The Look.

is this normal? am i so embarrassing and terrible that she has to seek out another adult to confide in?
ive always tried to be really open with her - i bought her alcohol for her prom party because i trusted her 100% not to get drunk - and she didnt.
i thought she could come to me for anything.....that she cant is a shock. that she would choose to go to someone she has known only for 18 months is hurtful.

am i just being stupid and precious? i feel taken for granted.

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Vivacia · 24/08/2013 15:01

I think the point was that you are too available and hence being taken for granted.

ThatVikRinA22 · 24/08/2013 15:37

well that depends really - i work full time and i work shifts - so its not like i am available 24/7.
but i want the kids to know that if there is a problem they can come to me. DS has special needs and still "needs" me, more so than DD who is more independent.

but i suppose my thinking is thats the way it should be. i guess.

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tobethatis · 24/08/2013 15:49

Vicar there is nothing wrong with being available and close to your children. You brought them into the world and given your background thats what you want to do. Frankly its no one elses business. I applaud you for sounding like such a lovely, caring mum. That is what all 16 girls need. Not space to do what they want and get pregnant etc.

So, carry on as you are. I remember when I was 16 and I found my mum embarrasing aswell. Perhaps because I was very shy and of course the bfs mum is easier to talk to - she doesnt know your daughter so they have a blank page to work from.

As she gets older all of this love you are giving her will come back to triplefold.

Vivacia · 24/08/2013 16:22

"So, carry on as you are."

And continue to feel as you do in the early posts of this thread.

Maryz · 24/08/2013 16:53

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exoticfruits · 24/08/2013 17:18

I think that you just need to think that the more people they love, and the more people who love them, the better. It isn't a competition, it doesn't take anything away from you.

springytoffs · 24/08/2013 19:10

Which didn't stop you gloating vicar that I had no right to comment to those who have a relationship with their daughter. Desperately unkind and knee-jerk. Do take care in future. I assume that you don't have a relationship with your toxic parents? Same reason I don't have a relationship with mine - as yellow helpfully pointed out. I could just as easily snark at you for having 'no family' - do you see? I could just as easily say 'it figures!' You kicked me because you didn't like what I said - but you didn't know my story (and when you heard some of it, jumped to conclusions). I have cried and cried since those vile posts from you and yellow - you can have no idea of the pain I face.

Because of our histories, our children will be more important to us personally, it will be harder to step back. (How do you think I know that do you think?). Having no [extended] family makes us more focused on the family we have; add to that the natural and close motherly care we've been doing for years... and it can easily tip out of balance when they get to the age where we must step back. eg kids are sensitive and can recognise vulnerability; can get wires crossed and assume emotional responsibility for us. We have to be very careful that they don't get the idea that they are responsible for us or our happiness (and we have to watch that they aren't; that they won't be 'used' to make up for what we didn't and don't have). Which is why we have to hide any green-eye and we have to let them loose - hopefully, to find their way back once they've kicked their heels a bit.

The woman in the advert was narked, but she could, ultimately, shrug it off. People like me and you, with our toxic histories, can't do that so easily. But we have to, we have to fake it.

Your daughter is able to tell you that she prefers talking to this woman (sorry), which is a good sign that she can be honest with you. She'll be back.

springytoffs · 24/08/2013 19:15

I mean by 'more important personally' that our emotional needs will be more acute around our children.

PeppermintPasty · 24/08/2013 19:30

As someone who posts on/reads the stately homes thread, I thought your original post was perceptive and thoughtful Springy. I worry about this stuff all the time, though my children are a lot younger at present. It resonated with me, as well as maybe with Vicar.

Don't feel bad.

nooka · 24/08/2013 20:03

Just wanted to say that I also thought springytoffs post was a good one.

It's not 'telling off' to offer advice on a thread that is asking for advice. You do sound as if you might be a bit overly invested, and that may be the underlying reason why you seem so threatened by what seems a good relationship for your dd. I think it is really important to have a number of adults in your lives during teens/early adulthood because having a variety of role models helps to form views and opinions on how to live as an adult.

The way you jumped down springytoffs post and then subsequently were really quite vile to her suggest to me that there might be something uncomfortable in what she said. That's useful surely? When we feel uncomfortable about something it generally suggests that there may be something to reflect on.

That is not to say you are in any way shape or form a 'bad' parent. Adjusting to our children becoming adults is bloody hard! But a part of it is about letting go of the adult child relationship and building a new adult to adult relationship, and recognising that it won't be exclusive and that is a good thing.

Maryz · 24/08/2013 20:50

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whitesugar · 24/08/2013 21:03

Hear hear Maryz. When we are upset the slightest thing sets us off. I know it does with me. Vicar and Springy are just parents trying to do their best. Parenting teenagers is a nightmare at times. It has pushed many of us to the edge at times. We need to support each other.

Vivacia · 24/08/2013 21:04

You're right Mary and before I leave it I want to support springy and let her know that I thought her post was thoughtful and supportive and that she's acted with great dignity despite a non-apology.

ThatVikRinA22 · 25/08/2013 04:20

and i have said, twice now i think, that i am sorry for that knee jerk reaction to your post springy. I reflected on how my post came across, and i have apologised for that. if thats not been clear then i apologise again. No i dont have contact with my parents. My sf is dead and my mother allowed him to abuse me, she stood there and watched him break my fingers (twice) pull hair and twist hair, spit at me, hold a knife to my throat, rip out my earings and stand on them (on xmas day - they were a present) and generally abuse and neglect me to the point that i was in hospital several times for injuries, some of which required stays in hospital. she also isolated me from other family and i was not allowed friends.

i had no clothes. no underwear. i had to beg for baths. i was in and out of social care. so i feel that my reasons for not seeing my mother now are for reasons of self preservation. She has sent me a message saying that its all water under the bridge. not for me its not. The damage done to me was lasting, and has taken counselling and medication to alleviate. the rest of my family is dead now apart from one half brother who is a heroin addict and lived rough for 10 years. (and yes i did try to help him, but he stole from me and used heroin among other things in my house. i tried contact again 2 years ago. it went wrong again and thats that. )

and, regards my OP, i also said that the following day i had gained a bit more perspective - on that day both children were pulling me in very different directions. DS has special needs that mean he operates at a mental age of around 14, but with all the rights of a 21 year old.
DD was being a bit of a brat as her GCSE results were due the following day and i think it was nerves and she was taking that out on me. She apologised the following morning. She also said she does not talk to BFs mum about anything personal - she also said that BFs mum enjoys having a girl about as she had 3 boys.

i tend to feel better in myself if i get things off my chest. thats what i was doing.
but i did feel that to suggest having a spa break with dd was in some way odd - well - odd. We do lots of girly things together - but i am not her friend - i am her mum. i say no when i have to. i have rules and boundaries that she respects. I respect her privacy and trust her.

once again, i am sorry that my post hurt you springy
your post had come across as harsh to me and i felt you didnt know enough to suggest i am always available. i do say no, but it tends to be me that both kids come to for most things. Im certainly not the "yes man" in our relationship. (thats DH role....he is good cop, im bad cop most of the time)

anyway. i hope we can put this behind us and you accept my apology as it is intended, and hopefully i can stop trying to justify my relationships with my children with potted histories that arent much fun for me.

during counselling, i came to realise that i did well to climb out of the rat hole i came from and lead a normal life, hold down a normal job, have a normal relationship and do normal things, and bring my children up normally. i broke a cycle of abuse that had gone on for some generations. I live on my instincts and the evidence is that i am mostly right to do that.

tongiht, i have been involved in a child abuse case involving cigarette burns to a very young child. I use my instincts for good and my background to help others.

i actually think that i have done ok.

i realise that i knee jerk where any criticism of my parenting is concerned because its the one thing i feel sure of that i got right - everything else i doubt myself and second guess myself because that was instilled into me at a very young age. Everything i did was wrong and ended in physical abuse. (im not just talking a smack - i was horse whipped for not washing the pots fast enough at the age of 7, so little i had to stand on a chair to reach the sink) so i grew up very timid, quiet, and walked on egg shells daily trying to avoid a beating that happened no matter what i did or didnt do. As an adult i realise that this was my stepfathers problem, but i was taught that it was mine.

when my parenting is questioned i react. i realise its not rational. i am working on that. its because i was able to love my children (my mother told me she could not love me when i was 10) and i have always been very instinctive in anything to do with them, and with them, particularly DS, i had to fight his corner due to his special needs, and still do. DD is much easier in most respects.
anyway. i will stop rambling and hope you might be able to understand.

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Vivacia · 25/08/2013 04:55

By non-apology I meant you should just say "sorry" not "sorry, but...".

It sounds as though you've got the advice and space you needed to think your way through your original problem.

nooka · 25/08/2013 07:19

Sounds like you had an appalling childhood Vicar, I am so sorry.

I don't think that you need to say more than you want to by the way. None of us need to know anything that is private especially when it's not necessarily relevant to any given thread.

Your dd sounds lovely, and I'm sure you are a lovely mum too (if weirdly into rats Grin). I do hope that you have lots of friends, in part to make up at least a bit for your shit family, but also because you may find you have a big gap when your dd leaves home in a few years.

I know my mum found it hard to adjust to the idea of not having children at home, and I think it's one of the reasons my teens were a little fraught at times because there was a lot of pressure on the relationship (I'm the youngest of four).

Chubfuddler · 25/08/2013 07:24

I can't understand why you asked her such a landing question in the first place. You handed her an opportunity to rile you.

Of course she finds you embarrassing. When you are 16 it feels like your mum exists to humiliate you.

Don't you remember that advert where the girl
Is going "Sarah's mum says x, Sarah's mum says y, Sarah's mum says z" and her mother just says "good for her"

You're making way too much of this.

Chubfuddler · 25/08/2013 07:30

*leading

exoticfruits · 25/08/2013 07:45

I can quite see why she is making too much of it, Chubfuddler, I think that anyone would with that appalling background.
I would say that you have done wonders, Vicar, and should be proud of the fact that your daughter , at 16yrs, can have no real understanding of what your childhood was like. I think that you will have a great relationship when she is older and does understand. You have done well if she is a normal teenager who can find her mother embarrassing(-as they all do) and feel secure enough to answer questions honestly. I think it would be far worse if she felt that she wasn't free to have friendships with other adults because you would be jealous. Much better to have what you have and an open relationship where you don't have to censor every sentence in case you upset your mother.

exoticfruits · 25/08/2013 07:51

Vicar asked a simple question and her DD answered truthfully- there would be far more to worry about if her DD felt her mother was so needy she couldn't tell the truth. At 16yrs many find it easier to talk to other adults than their mother- it doesn't mean that it stays that way. Even as an adult it can be easier to talk to someone where you have no emotional commitment.

Chubfuddler · 25/08/2013 07:58

Yes it is easier to talk to someone with no emotional commitment. I just thought the question sounded needy and that's not a great idea with a 16 year old.

exoticfruits · 25/08/2013 08:03

It does sound needy- it is to Vicar's credit that her DD didn't realise it and could just answer freely with the truth.
I think it is much harder to be a parent if you are breaking a cycle.

Vivacia · 25/08/2013 08:07

I'm not so sure the daughter answered honestly. I bet she finds her mum easier to talk to but said otherwise just to be a sod (the OP uses the term, "sticks the knife in").

exoticfruits · 25/08/2013 08:13

I would assume she answered honestly- at 16yrs your mother is often not the person you want to confide in. I have friends who find it a bit upsetting that all their DD' friends confide in them but their DD won't.
I have one friend that I would call the perfect mother of teens. Her DS tells her most things, all her DD's friends have heart to hearts with her and yet her DD is a closed book.
There are many things that I find easier to discuss with my MIL than my mother- I am not as close.

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