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Ive got myself in a right situation.

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Shitwhatnowagain · 11/08/2013 21:00

Im not sure whether I can press send on this. Theres so many details that could identify me. Im going to have to be really careful as I know several people RL on here.

Ok here I go.

I have two children, a toddler and infant school age child. Their father is a nice person. Hes a brilliant dad (this will be thrown right back at me, I can see it coming) but he is terrible, just terrible at relationships.

I met him when I was 17 and he was 30 (some 15 years ago). We have been on and off all those years. Hes never 100% committed to me in all those years. I have come to realise recently that Im in my 30's and Ive never had a normal relationship and I dont think I know what one feels like.

We havent had sex since our youngest was made. So a few years, we are not together. I live alone with my children. He is a free spirit where ever he lays his hat thats his home. He works hard and pays taxes but he doesnt officially live anywhere.

Let me really get this across, he does not and never has, lived with us. He stays the night 2-3 times a week comes for tea 4 nights a week. He has no post come here, has no belongings that are here, no clothes nothing.

But he comes here often to see his children.

Ive been deeply unhappy with this situation for the last year. I feel as though I cannot move on, have space, time away from him, be a 'single' person. Ive begged and pleaded him to see the kids every other weekend (as opposed to every weekend), Ive told him I want to be 'properly single' that I want us to really, really divide. I dont want him ever staying round any nights at all or coming for tea.

But I think he always thinks I say it when Im in a bad mood or something because he ignores it. Assumes the next day is a fresh day, my mood is over and he'll continue as normal. Im too tired to fight again. But it comes again every few weeks. Always it gets ignored.

Heres where it gets really, really messy.
My landlady works directly next door to my (her) house. She is an evil, awful woman, reknowend in this tiny village for being awful and Ive got on the wrong side of her (I had a very serious problems with my electrics, she sent an electrician round who found no problem (?!) so she sent me the bill for the work. I refused to pay, saw citizens advice and told her I sought legal advice). She reported me to the DWP for benefit fraud. Said my childrens father lived with me.
Im guessing she thinks he does, after all if she finishes work at 6pm each night she will drive past see his car here four nights a week and think he is 'coming home' from work, she doesnt know hes here for an hour. Comes, eats my food, puts kids to bed and leaves.

So I get an interview with fraud. Takes a while. Long and short of it, they dont give a shit what my situation is, or what I say. They dont believe he doesnt live there, I will be prosecuted "or we can end is right now, you can stop your income support claim if you tell me xxxx is living with you."

I refused. No way was I going to say he was living with me when he wasnt! I called Shelter and got advice, but the long and short of it is, I move my ex boyfriend in and tie finances or face prosecution.

After lots if tears and panic, I call up, stop my I.S claim and tell housing benefit that someone is moving in with me.

That was 2 months ago and Im so depressed. Im stuck 'living' with my ex. Im angry and resentful all the time, its not healthy for the children.

What the HELL can I do? I cant tell him to move out, and claim HB again because they will investigate and prosecute.

I have 2 choices - either save 2.5k and move house and start again, not let ex anywhere near the house and refuse him see the kids unless he rents a room and takes them there.

Or get a job (which will be easier said than done, Im caring for a toddler who gets higher rate DLA and the system considers me his career, he cant go into usual childcare because his very serious health issues,but hopefully will get better with that in the next few years) and find the rest of the rent that way.

Either way, Im stuck, my children and I are stuck my ex is stuck, we are all STUCK 'living' together, tied finances for at LEAST 1-2 years.

Im utterly depressed. Literally, on anti depressants because of this.

What the actually fuckering fuck do I do?

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dancemom · 11/08/2013 21:09

He must have a registered address somewhere - where does his payslips go? His P60? His DVLA records? His insurance documentation? His bank statements?

Fairylea · 11/08/2013 21:10

I think you need to put your foot down with your ex.

Does he have a key? If so change the locks. If he doesn't do not let him in, meet him somewhere public with the kids and say you will pick them up from the same place at a certain time or from where he is living.

Tell him he is causing you to struggle financially by insisting on staying over and eating at your house.

Does he realise the impact its had??

Shitwhatnowagain · 11/08/2013 21:10

To a 'care of' address at his friends house.

That makes no difference.

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Shitwhatnowagain · 11/08/2013 21:12

Ive told him a lot of times how much my food bill is, that the water is on a meter and the increase of my gas an electric but it just doesnt go in.

I cant leave the kids where he is staying because none of the places he stays are at all safe for children. If they were he'd have them there. Id let him have them there and this would be a big fat, non-issue.

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Shitwhatnowagain · 11/08/2013 21:25

Im screwed arent I.

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Mouseyinmyhousey · 11/08/2013 21:37

How can they prosecute you with no evidence.

I thought they had to watch your house for weeks or something.

WhereDoAllTheCalculatorsGo · 11/08/2013 21:43

Sorry but I'm really struggling to get my head round why you stopped your claim for housing benefit and income support and said he was living with you when he wasn't.
Why would you do that?

Shitwhatnowagain · 11/08/2013 21:45

Im absolutely kicking myself for not asking what evidence they had. They did say someone had told them.

But he pressured me hugely, basically told me that if I refused to 'sign something today' then in 6 months I will bet an interview with the man above him and "if he thinks you have been comitting benefit fraud, then you will be prosecuted for the last 3 years."

He just kept saying it didnt matter if my ex only stayed round a couple of nights a week "its no different from a man working away".

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Shitwhatnowagain · 11/08/2013 21:46

WhereDoAll see above. He frightened me into it.

Ive see been to citizens advice, Ive called Shelter numerous times, this was not a decision I took lightly. I refused to sign anything saying be lived with me, maintained that Id been forced into this facade.

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Shitwhatnowagain · 11/08/2013 21:48

At the end of the day I thought jail? Or live with my ex?

Thats basically what I felt the options were.

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Shitwhatnowagain · 11/08/2013 21:51

To add I never signed anything to say he had ever lived with us. i explained over and over again what the situation was. I never, ever said he lived with them.

I stopped IS and HB because I felt I had no choice.

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Mouseyinmyhousey · 11/08/2013 21:52

Sorry I know that doesn't answer your question only it seems terrible that can happen. I was always told it wasn't about how many nights someone stayed, more that they had to gave evidence that the person was leaving each morning in different clothes, contributing to your household bills. Have they told you you can't make a new claim if he 'moves out'

How are you making up the shortfall now? Is he properly living with you now.

WhereDoAllTheCalculatorsGo · 11/08/2013 21:52

Okay, it sounds like it was done deliberately to intimidate you. Realistically you have 3 options to move forward.
Put up with it
Boot him out and make fresh claims for IS and HB
Complain about the intimidation that caused you to admit to something that you were not guilty of.
I don't see any problem with making a fresh claim. They can't prove something that isn't happening.

Reality · 11/08/2013 21:56

You really need to woman the fuck up here. Restart your claim, change your locks and tell him to get to fuck.

It may seem insurmountable and complicated right now but I can assure you it isn't.

Just decide what to do, and do it.

You and your children can and will be fine and safe and secure, but you need to jettison this awful man.

Fairylea · 11/08/2013 21:58

I would tell him he cannot see the kids at yours and either he has to find suitable accommodation or visits will have to be at a contact centre. No exceptions.

Then contact income support etc and tell them you are now separated and start a new claim.

I'd go as far as to tell the kids dad that if he turns up at yours again you will report him to the police for harassment as you have asked him not to. Harsh but might shock him, he has no right to stay in your home ifyou dont want him there.

Shitwhatnowagain · 11/08/2013 21:59

Mousey he isnt living here properly now. No. He hasnt stayed round in 4 nights for example. Nothing has changed, except I really REALLY cant move on or away from him now.

As for making up the shortfall, he's paying for it. With makes me very very resentful. Suddenly he does have the money? Wtf?! Its making angry just typing that.

Wheredoall I never thought of complaining. That seems like such an obvious thing to do. The bloke was a bastard, he really was. You are right, Im going to complain, why didnt I consider this??

I cant make a fresh claim for IS or HB as far as I can see, it will be flagged up and I assume roll straight back to potentially being prosecuted for the past.

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Fairylea · 11/08/2013 22:01

Why would you be prosecuted if you "split up" now? Nothing to say that wouldn't be the truth, couples get back together and split up all the time.

Reality · 11/08/2013 22:04

Before dh and I were married, we had separate flats andmoney, and I claimed a bit of hb, he stayed at mine pretty much every night. Cab said this was fine (we checked because we didn't want to risk it), because he had his own house, mortgage, bills, didn't contribute to my household (he ate dinner after work before coming round for eg) and didn't keep stuff at my house.

They have bullied and intimidated you and when you feel up to it I would pursue a complaint.

VelvetSpoon · 11/08/2013 22:05

Surely though the problem is always going to be that your ex is of no fixed abode, and that is a fairly unusual position for an adult male, in employment and with family responsibilities, to be in.

I'm not surprised the benefits agency were sceptical - if you look at it from the outside, he is at your house a lot, and doesn't 'live' in the sense of paying bills, anywhere else. He simply has a care of address, which it could be assumed was set up as a ruse to suggest you're not living together. Also you say he never lived with you, and only visited 4 nights a week, but before that you said he stayed 2-3 nights a week, and came for tea 4 nights...so does that mean he was at your house every night?

Does he pay maintenance for his children? If not, why not?

Doozle06 · 11/08/2013 22:08

I don't understand why you are concerned about being prosecuted for the past, when he doesn't and hasn't lived with you? There can't be evidence of him living there, if he doesn't live there?
I'd agree - complain about the guy, say you want your benefits reinstated and backdated, and if they want to prosecute then great, go ahead, because there isn't any evidence and you're not guilty?
And I'd also consider moving anyway, and/or changing the locks - you definitely need to sort him out, whatever you do about benefits situation (and you know he can pay you maintenance now too!)

Reality · 11/08/2013 22:08

Oh I missed the nfa stuff.

Do tell him to fuck off.

Shellywelly1973 · 11/08/2013 22:10

Exactly what Fairylea said!

dancemom · 11/08/2013 22:10

If he stays over several nights a week and financially supports you then I can see why the DWP think he is a resident partner TBH

Fairylea · 11/08/2013 22:10

Whatever you do don't make him tea or let him stay. He is a cocklodger without even properly lodging!

Shitwhatnowagain · 11/08/2013 22:12

Yes. Basically this is all because he has NFA. Which has stirred up a lot of anger in me as well. If he had grown the fuck up and rented somewhere (because now I realise he COULD bloody afford it) then I wouldnt be in this position.

Yes I can see where they are coming from. But only slightly, because he has never lived here.

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