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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 24

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foolonthehill · 10/07/2013 19:58

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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BloomingRose · 28/07/2013 12:19

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fabulousfoxgloves · 28/07/2013 12:21

Rose, stay safe, honey. It is not your fault. Second Fairy's advice to go out and do something else. If he wishes to be angry, that is fine, but you do not need to be the target/witness to it, nor does DD.

FairyFi · 28/07/2013 12:24

get out darling!.. very very good insight you just had.. but get out and leave him to this black place.

You have realised you are not his fixer any more!

fabulousfoxgloves · 28/07/2013 12:25

Sorry, x-post. I think you have to do whatever makes you safest, and tick off the days.

Personally, I think if you have somewhere to go for the next three weeks, I would seriously consider going.

But what he is saying is horrible, and threatening. Or intended to be threatening. He is telling you that he has disdain for you and DD (being people), and that this is growing to hatred.

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fabulousfoxgloves · 28/07/2013 13:11

Oh dear, I have blocked all this out until today<

I was thinking about the blocking out this morning, because I blocked something out for 13 years, which came back last year like it happened the day before. It comes back when you are ready and need to remember.

The denial is a coping strategy. It is a lot to deal with. And if you are not up to it at the moment, you don't need to process all of this, just recognise it. At the moment, that is all you need to do, because you need your strength for leaving. You can process what this all means when you are in a safe place.

And you need to keep safe till you are out, so if that means placating him, do so, but really, truly, Rose have an exit strategy if you need one before August 12th.

ponygirlcurtis · 28/07/2013 13:12

oh Rose that's quite a lightbulb going on. But I am glad for your sake that it has, it will help you to come to the realisation that it is not you, it is him, and he is abusive. My FW used to threaten to call an ambulance for me as well, and threatened to have me sectioned (again, while pregnant...). A caring, normal, thoughtful partner does not use further intimidation and threatening when they can see you are already distressed. If they had genuine concerns, they would wait until things were calmer and then discuss it properly, without making threats and without trying to belittle you. You are not mad. He knows this. Your FW has been using your fear that it is you, that you are the mad one, against you.

And him having murder fantasies that he has expressed to you - that's pretty worrying IMO. Sad

Will be thinking of you today, hope you can get out and away from him for a little physical and emotional space. Stay safe.

ponygirlcurtis · 28/07/2013 13:15

Seconding everything in fox's post. Don't worry about processing and dealing now. That will come. And definitely have an exit strategy - I am worried now that an escalation is imminent. Does he know you are leaving on the 12th?

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betterthanever · 28/07/2013 13:43

I think he does care rose his support system is being taken away from him, he will have to start looking after himself and whilst he may still continue to blame you for his unappiness (my exp does and I have not spoken to him directly for over 8 years) - he is worried what he is giong to do now.
Please try and get the energy to do something nice - make the cakes you will feel better afterwards I promise you - don't let him isolate you. The isolation will really hurt you.

FairyFi · 28/07/2013 14:25

oh Rose for your realisations.

Your ex sounds exactly like the FW ex i have Sad

take care, I am glad those realisations are out, they are what you had to block in order to stay and keep the beliefs he (both current partner and ex) instilled in you. Now that belief is challenged you have freedom for choice.

Understand that exhaustion of it. your exhaustion will fade. You have described so clearly. Him completely ignoring you, to get him out. that is it.. completely refusal to accept, let alone respect you.

(((hugs)))) xxx

TheSilverySoothsayer · 28/07/2013 16:37

rose as others have said he may not care about you in the right way, but I bet he cares that you have as awkward and hard time as he can make it. He's hardly acting like someone thinking he's about to be on his own, is he, regarding money?

Because he is a cocklodger.

Keep safe. Keep a packed bag and have someone to flee to. You never know.

LemonDrizzled · 28/07/2013 16:55

rose you are so close to the end it will be the glorious twelfth before you know it! Just hang in there and do what you have to do to stay safe.

I had a weird weekend with my DD and the original FW (TM LemonD)

We went to a special event as a family and I realised we only had 3 tickets for 4 of us. But FW laughed and said he would get in anyway. He did a masterclass in brash confidence trickery and walked in brazen as could be. One lady challenged him on the door and he just smiled and walked straight past her. Worst thing is the DDs thought he was so clever. I wanted to curl up and hide. He really believes he is so special and rules don't apply to him.
Looking back there has been lots of this before but I didn't see it clearly.
Ah well nice weekend for DDs achieved and I can ignore him again.

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betterthanever · 28/07/2013 18:28

rose for now you only need you but you need you well and happy and then you can do anything you like. You will get your own support networks. My friends have always been closer both phyiscally and emotionally than my family. You are still young and have so many wonderful people to meet, to be close to, but for now keep to you and DD and make your own way starting on that glorious 12th and you have started thinking nice thought in your head - the paddling pool one is great xxx you have us to chat to as well.

I have been cheering at the TV today as I feel the news coverage has been excellent regarding Caroline who stood up for herself and stood firm against all those who see women as second class citizens. She had recieved abusive tweets on twitter rearding her campaign for a woman to be on a bank note. The police are investigating all the abusive tweets and I hope will make arrests.
The Everyday Sexism Project I had not heard about either.

LemonDrizzled · 28/07/2013 18:41

Rose I had a lovely week away with my 3DC and a niece last year. It was so relaxed! but they are grown and can cook/drive/drink etc so different from littlies

FairyFi · 28/07/2013 19:14

supportive family has been vital Rose, but then so have supportive friends.

Pick carefully, neither friends nor family will just automatically get it, and that can invalidate your feelings, especially when, as with many ex's, they are far better at the social smarm, and we look the crazy ones being constantly harangued and eggshell walking and not in any fit state to go out and socialise and wanting to actually stay in and, god forbid, sort things out! rather than drink and party more!

Just pick carefully. check out with whoever [friend or family] to avoid invalidating remarks that can cause huge setbacks.

xxxx

minkembernard · 28/07/2013 20:44

rose I am going on holiday with my parents and dcs this year. that may not be an option for you but it cn be nice to go away with someone who you cannot see as often because they do not live near.

also we go to my parents for most holdays. so you could maybe go to your mums if you think you will both cope. or go on some kind of activity/event white you will meet people.

you will meet people though, through your course:)

fabulousfoxgloves · 28/07/2013 20:58

I have no family support nearby rose, and a very difficult relationship with my parents. I have been away lots on my own with dc. You will re-establish social networks. All in good time.

ponygirlcurtis · 28/07/2013 21:02

Rose, I wont lie. Sometimes I am lonely. Sometimes it is hard going, only having me here to do stuff for the kids, and not having anyone to talk to in the evenings. But that is still so much better than having to live life with a FW. Now I have a life. I didn't then. I wasn't me, I was a shell.
I have done stuff just me and the kids all summer, and we have had a ball. We genuinely have had a lovely time - it's been hard work, but it's been worth it. And it's all been down to me. i can take all the credit. And I haven't once had to worry about DSs having a shitty time because of listening to arguments etc.
I am going on holiday next week, to visit friends but I'll be doing the 8hr drive there and back on my own. But I can do it. It'll be an adventure. Your new life will be an adventure. It wont be perfect, but it will be yours. And it will be a thousand times better than the half-life you are living right now.

ponygirlcurtis · 28/07/2013 21:05

Cross-posted - seconding what mink and fox said too. When I split from DS1's dad I was 500 miles from my family. My friends were my support. And I met my mum and sister and her kids halfway to go on a week's caravan holiday, twas brilliant fun! You just never know what life will throw at you. Try not to focus on and worry about the details too much. You need to make this move for you and DD. Once you are out, you will have much more opportunity to think about things.

fabulousfoxgloves · 28/07/2013 21:27

pony, I did an 8 hour drive to see dsis and friends just after ds was born, well, he was about four months. It was one of the most empowering things, because I used to travel a lot just me and dd, and so it was a bit like, yes, I can still do this. Though, I somehow lost that feeling because after that it was quite hard to get away myself. Re-discovering it now. You are motivating me to plan my next long trip!