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Why am I so vile? I'm ruining my life. (Long, sorry).

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hatemyselfmostofthetime · 29/05/2013 10:56

I met my DP very soon after his ex walked out on him, taking their DD with her. In hindsight we shouldn't have started a relationship until he was in a better place. But we really liked each other and wanted to be together so we just took things really, really slowly.

They've always shared 50:50 custody of his DD but in the early days he was absolutely devastated by the break up of his family.

I knew I was in love with him from about six months in. It took him a lot longer to fall in love with me. I'd say it was the best part of two years before I felt like he was wholly present in our relationship. Up until then he'd always kept me slightly at arm's length. I found this very painful at the time. But he was never cruel or unkind. Just...distant. Because I loved him so much I stuck around.

Last year I got pregnant very unexpectedly. We weren't living together then and it was a real test of our relationship. He was happy to do the right thing - we planned to move in together and we were going to make a real go of things. Then I had a miscarriage.

The night I miscarried DP was staying with DSD on the other side of the city at his mum's house. And irritatingly he hadn't taken his car with him. It was a Saturday night and I went to A&E at around 10.30pm. I called him while I was waiting to be seen by a doctor and asked him to come and meet me at the hospital. He said he couldn't because he didn't have his car, DSD was asleep and he'd have to leave her with his mum (and the problem was...?), he'd have to get a taxi all the way across the city, etc, etc. So I said leave it then and I'd call him once I'd seen the doc.

Then it all kicked off. I was seen by the doctor but it was too late. She removed the 'products' there and then. My baby was in a biological waste bin and I was devastated. I found the whole thing really traumatic. Just awful. Awful.

I called a friend and luckily she was able to come and be with me and take me home. I called and called and called DP to let him know what happened but there was no answer. By this time it was gone midnight. He rang the next morning and I was an incoherent mess on the phone. I wanted him to come and get me right away but he said he couldn't because he was having lunch that day with his dad (long story but he only sees his dad about three times a year). So I had to wait until he'd had lunch before he came and picked me up with DSD in tow.

I feel so let down by him. I really struggled to forgive him for a long time. He maintained, and still maintains that he had no choice. Couldn't have left DSD with his mum, it was important to see his dad, etc. He also said that back then he still wasn't sure if he loved me or wanted to be with me long term. So, I dunno, he didn't want to put himself out?? Not sure why he needed to tell me that. He says it's better to be 'honest'.

Anyway, we managed to move on. Nearly three years later we're living together and I'm pregnant again, planned this time. But despite the fact that I've now got everything I wanted I can't stop myself being really vile. I suddenly feel very, very angry about his behaviour during the miscarriage. And I find myself saying really horrible things to him about how he was stupid to have a child with his ex because she's selfish and shallow and a shit mum. What was he thinking ever being with her? He's already got a family so my baby won't be as special to him. Etc... Just really nasty, insane stuff.

I feel miserable and I hate myself for being this way but I don't know what will make it better. I just feel like I will never, ever be a priority. Even when I was losing our baby and going through one of the worst experiences of my life, when I needed him the most, he put other people before me.

I've gone from having a really great relationship with DSD to not really being able to be around her. And I think that part of it is to do with the fact that he didn't want to leave her with his mum to come and be with me when I was in hospital. Maybe that's terrible. But I resent her a bit for that. In my messed up mind she was the reason I was on that table, bleeding and crying, on my own.

All this came out in a big row with DP the other night and things have been strained ever since. I feel awful because I know I said some unforgivable things. But I think he acted unforgivably too. I don't know what to do now. I feel like we could've been so happy but I've ruined it all because I can't let go of what happened and now it's colouring everything.

If you've made it this far then thank you. I'd really appreciate some perspective on this. So I can disentangle my own shitty behaviour from righteous anger at the way he behaved.

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ExcuseTypos · 29/05/2013 13:13

The 'grand gesture' doesn't have anything to do with children bad. It was mentioned regarding him showing he really cared.

MadBusLady · 29/05/2013 13:13

It makes me uncomfortable too, for slightly different reasons. This isn't what adult relationships are really like. There are no reckonings, pay-offs, victories or narratives of redemption-through-struggle. Real life is not neat and tidy enough for that. Nobody else has any idea what unspoken storyline you're following in your head, so they're unlikely to perform their part correctly. The only person you'll be likely to get a truly game-changing grand gesture off will be a(nother) person who does relationship-as-drama.

Juniperdewdropofbrandy · 29/05/2013 13:14

Do it then before you get too big tired.

hatemyselfmostofthetime · 29/05/2013 13:14

I don't know Dahlen.

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hatemyselfmostofthetime · 29/05/2013 13:19

Cloverover we've been together just under three years.

I had the miscarriage about 18 months into the relationship.

I guess DP 'changed' and started loving me around Christmas time. We moved in together in Feb and started ttc that same month.

I'm 6+1 days pregnant.

Re: the 'grand gesture', I acknowledged that it was pathetic when I wrote it.

The last fucking thing I want is drama. But I do want some reassurance that I'm important to him. Beyond just being the person who picked up the pieces while he was grieving.

Wanting a grand gesture is shorthand for saying I wish that there was one thing he could do that would make it all alright. When in fact it's going to take him proving himself over a period of time before I'll know if it can be alright.

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hatemyselfmostofthetime · 29/05/2013 13:20

Do what, Juniper?

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Juniperdewdropofbrandy · 29/05/2013 13:21

Go away for a week or so.

Juniperdewdropofbrandy · 29/05/2013 13:22

So you're in the first week of pregnancy or is that months?

Juniperdewdropofbrandy · 29/05/2013 13:22

Ahh yes 6 months plus 1 day.

Cloverer · 29/05/2013 13:23

6 weeks Juniper

hatemyselfmostofthetime · 29/05/2013 13:24

Sorry, 6 weeks + 1 day (and 5 hours and 26 mins and 4 secs Grin)

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hatemyselfmostofthetime · 29/05/2013 13:27

I miscarried at 7 weeks exactly last time so this week is a real pressure cooker.

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Cloverer · 29/05/2013 13:27

It seems like there was a big rush around the start of the year then - DP decides he does love you, wants to move in together, try for a baby immediately. Did something happen then to trigger it?

Also the misscarriage and his appalling behaviour was really not very long ago, you haven't had very long to get over it and move on at all.

I'd be asking myself what the rush is? Are you really, really sure that now is the best time to have a baby, and your DP is the best person to have it with? Do you need more time to stabilise your relationship with him and work on your stepmother relationship/family situation first?

hatemyselfmostofthetime · 29/05/2013 13:31

It didn't feel rushed at the time. It felt like a natural progression. I was spending all my time at his place. We were doing lots of stuff with DSD together 'as a family'. The time was just right.

I dunno. He changed job and stopped doing a two hour commute and working for a bullying boss. He got a nice job with nice people 15 mins away from our place. He just seemed to get lighter and become happier in himself. It all just clicked.

And then I got pregnant. And then I got angry.

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Dahlen · 29/05/2013 13:38

In your shoes I would make plans to live as a single parent. I don't think anything else will shake this man to the core enough to see what he risks losing. And if it fails to move him at all, at least you'll be prepared.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be with a man who hid behind the skirts of a child when it came to explaining away his emotional cowardice. For a man who claims to love his DD, what a position to put her in! Hmm I'd be forever worried he'd be forcing the same responsibility on to the shoulders of our own child. Adults who use children to project their own emotional inadequacies do not make good parents and do not make good partners.

You are now in a position where you find yourself copying the same behaviour and projecting your anger against your DP on to his DD. Although it doesn't absolve you of the responsibility for doing so, your behaviour is IMO a direct result of the dynamics in your relationship with your DP. You have projected your unhappiness on to the one thing that seems to make a mark on him - his DSD. You need to change your relationship with your DP NOW, before such behaviour becomes as entrenched a habit for you as it clearly is for your DP.

You are right BTW. Your needs and your DSDs can peacefully co-exist. Your DSDs needs come before your wants, and her needs have greater weight than yours because she's a child, but that doesn't mean yours are to be ignored anymore than your DP believes his should be. Living as part of a family means balancing everyone's needs. In a crisis situation, the crisis trumps any hierarchy of needs. You should have come first. Only an idiot would have thought otherwise.

I don't think his apologies will be anything more than lip service TBH, even if you get one. If he was capable of recognising what he's done wrong he woud have given you the full apology a long time ago and probably wouldn't have done anything requiring it in the first place.

I'm sorry you find yourself in this position, but you run the risk of losing the best part of yourself and your integrity in your attempt to hold on to this relationship. Meanwhile, your DP makes no effort at all and instead criticises you for it. I don't think he'll realise what he has in you until he no longer has it - if at all.

Badvoc · 29/05/2013 13:49

Well, you arent "over it" and your haven't forgiven him!
The fact you blame an innocent child for all this is troubling me.
Of course he couldn't leave her in the middle of the night. She is child and would not understand. You are an adult and therefore can.
But, I do think he could have cancelled his dinner with his father.
That does seem very cold.
I am not sure what you want?
It seems a very unequal relationship from what you have written.
I'm sorry about your loss. I have had mc and they are very distressing.

hatemyselfmostofthetime · 29/05/2013 13:53

Badvoc DP and DSD were both staying at his mum's. I think he could've said to his mum that he had to go and be with me and could she watch DSD?

But he didn't. That was out of the question for some reason.

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Badvoc · 29/05/2013 13:58

Perhaps the GM wouldn't feel happy looking after dsd during the night?
Dunno.
I had a mc at home once. My ds1 was 4 and I made very sure he didn't know I was in pain or upset.
It's just what you do as a parent.
I think your comment at the beginning of your post is very telling. It was too soon for both you to embark in this relationship I think.
However, that isn't going to help you now.
What do you what? What will make you happier?
The only thing he can do is apologise for his coldness towards you when you had the mc.
If that isn't good enough now it never will be.

dreamingbohemian · 29/05/2013 14:02

Oh gosh, six weeks is the absolute peak of hormonal surges and crazy times. It doesn't mean that your feelings aren't real and aren't valid, but your ability to cope with them and reason through them is going to be severely affected.

I went absolutely nuts on DH at this time, a few weeks later things were better and we were able to talk things through and resolve things.

But I don't want to put this on you because I think really your DP has been pretty appalling toward you. It is all about his emotions isn't it?

Pregnancy can feel like such a vulnerable time anyway and it's so much worse if you don't feel you can count on him.

I think if you talk to him tonight, ask him if he would be willing to go to couples counseling with you. You said you have gone before, but did he? If he does go with you, that act in itself may help you feel better. And I think it would be great for you two to talk to someone else and get some advice.

hatemyselfmostofthetime · 29/05/2013 14:02

I want him to apologise and believe he means it.

At the moment I don't believe he truly thinks he should've done anything differently.

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dreamingbohemian · 29/05/2013 14:03

Badvoc it would probably help the OP if he apologised properly.

I'm sorry BUT is not a real apology.

Moominsarehippos · 29/05/2013 14:04

You can't make him feel that he's done wrong, only that he accepts that he made you feel devastated by his actions, and feels truly sorry for your suffering. Kicking him hard in the nuts will only make you feel better for about ten seconds (I don't advise you try that).

something2say · 29/05/2013 14:06

Hello

This is my two penne th.

You deserve to feel how you now feel. I would la it all squarely on your communal table and key him see it. What he did was terrible and he needs to see that you openly think this.

I would think the bloody same thing.

How dare he!!!!

However.

Forgive me for this, but you went with a man who was not over his ex and their family. It may not have been your choice to get of, but you ran that risk, as did he of course, and then the train went and took off out of the station.

You are partly culpable for this. What did you think, he would just get over he like that and move on? It speaks well for him that he cannot, and did not.

Yet you became pg.

I would let it all breathe the light of day. And then back off and let tempers relax.

The more anger you get off your chest, the more you will be able to love his little girl again. It is not he fault and you know it.

Rage, openly and wildly, and see it for what it is. Yours, not hers.

Le him see his fault in it, and you yours.

And then see what happens after that.

It may be water under the bridge. Many things are, in long term relationships. But start with open ness.

You'll be alright xxxxx. Have you got good girl friends? Can you take off for a weekend? Xxx

Badvoc · 29/05/2013 14:07

I agree dreaming, but I dont think the op will get anything better than that tbh.
You may have to accept that he doesn't think he has been cold/unreasonable.
You may have to accept that his feelings as not as strong as yours.
I'm sorry op.

something2say · 29/05/2013 14:07

Sorry for the typos. iPad naughty!!!