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Am I being unreasonable to be falling in love in this situation?

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NotDead · 20/05/2013 17:15

Hello,

I am a bloke asking for advice. I am confused by the signals from a woman I have always fancied, but with whom we have set our relationship up as almost friends, but with a tension in it that just doesn't fit friendship. She is 15 years younger than me and I first met her when she was about 21. I liked her very much the first time we talked, but I was always very conscious of a professional relationship between us. We chatted away and got on about things that are rare for me to share with people. She is not the type who jumps into relationships - in fact she had a 6 year relationship with someone who seemed dramatically unlike the person one would expect her to be with (she is really interesting, into alternative music and dressing differently - he was Mr straight and dull) She is the type to talk a great deal about sex with me - certain things I would like to try, she would also like to try. I, of course, am desperate to do them with her, and yet she seems more generally interested. Try as I might to be sensitive about entering into physical contact, though, she seems to give me so few signals that I can never be sure whether she wants anything from me or not, but I am crazy about her. Partly I know this is down to my tendency to only really make a move on women when I am a few glasses down - whereas I think she sees being too drunk as a less genuine state and so that situation - of mutual inhibition loss - is less likely. I worried that the age gap was too much and so was always looking for signals from her. These seem to come partially - in the sense we talk online after long gaps of not seeing or speaking to each other - but not fully - in the sense that when we meet, I am dying to make physical contact/kiss etc, but we never do. I saw her for a weekend recently and she said beforehand that she would put me up in her living room. Perhaps I was being too gentlemanly but when we got back I said I was happy with that, but in reality I wanted desperately to spend the night in her bed with her - though I know getting it together with someone you really like as opposed to just vaguely fancy is always difficult and probably more so with this age gap.

Our relationship in between these meetings got a bit distant partly because of geographical distance, and partly because of lot of negative stuff in my life that meant I found it difficult to share. With her, I felt that the last things she needed was a friend with difficulties. I have noticed though that as soon as she split up with her long term boyfriend, she contacted me - but I was deep in family bereavement and unable to really connect with anyone.

In that interim time, to my sadness and yes, jealousy, I found that she had been dating someone older than me. This made me feel so sad, as it sort of suggested a. that age wasn't the issue I thought and b that perhaps our 'thing' had opened up the possibility of older men to her.

On our last meet-up - ostensibly as friends - when I look back, she asked me how many people I have slept with, we talked about how she wants a baby before she is 30, about where her career might go and about how my being in a good relationship could help me get what I want out of life - all things that on reflection sound so much like she wants me too that the lack of signals I can trust just confuses me more. I sometimes wonder if I have been spoilt by seeing women who are more confident about approaching men.

Anyway, the thing is that after our last weekend together I was both incredibly sad to be leaving her, but also elated. I finally realised that I was falling in love with her - or at least, I was finding it hard not to want to talk to her every five minutes - I have thought about her every day since. I kinda broke discipline and confessed to her that I fantasise about her sexually - partly because I know she has particular fantasies that we discussed - but partly because I think a conventional 'love' approach might be too uncomfortable for her - but secretly I have more fantasies like this than I do sexual ones. I think that through this, and some silly self-ridiculing boasting when we first met, she thinks me not serious. I suspect also that some of her male friends have warned her off me - but with their own agenda. I don't really know what advice I am looking for, but I can't work her out and perhaps you can help me? Of course, in the state I am in, not being able to work her out makes me giddy with even more appreciation for her - I've got it bad haven't I?!:)

Any advice seriously welcome. :(

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NotDead · 25/05/2013 17:17

I'm not that bad confused !!

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confusedisitme · 25/05/2013 17:20

The way you talk reminds me of him...pseudo-intellectual as some other up-thread mentioned.

confusedisitme · 25/05/2013 17:21

And for someone who thinks they are falling in love or wants to, there are a lot of sexual undertones to your posts... :/

ZZZenagain · 25/05/2013 17:23

it seems a lot of agonising. Unless you enjoy investigating your feelings for her and are maybe discovering things about yourself through it, I would be tempted to call it a day but if you really think she is the one for you, you have to go out on a limb and risk something, or you'll never know. Call and arrange a date.

You said you usually wait for the woman to make the first move but it doesn't sound as if she is going to. A lot of women won't.

You said you don't want to be hurt but not knowing is hurting a bit too, isn't it? If this is a dead end, best for you to know and move on. If it isn't, wouldn't it be better to move forward?

BOF · 25/05/2013 19:12

Chibi, I'm proper shuddering at this now. Just URGH.

deedotty · 25/05/2013 21:12

1. My JOB GUESS

An elderly TEFL teacher, who is best "friends" with 20 year old female foreign students and likes "helping them" when they come to London. Regularly comments on how Satoko and Fernanda are more "feminine" than their English counterparts. Is then pissed off when they go off and date and fuck men they are actually attracted to. Feathery stroker Grin

  1. In my time, I've dated men 10-15 years older and enjoyed it, no problem in making the first move or opened up to the first move physically. It's not the age thing, I think she sees you as "safe" -doesn't fancy you - which is WHY she is so open with you Wink It's like you're her gal pal really.

Its like at school all the girls would flirt outrageously (and inappropriately) with the dowdy old male teachers but be a bit more coy with boys they were genuinely interested in - they don't see anything happening, so they don't care what they think.

NotDead · 25/05/2013 21:20

What kind is all this shuddering??

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deedotty · 25/05/2013 21:21

"I do like the insulting style of mumsnet. Its very laddy and quite comforting."

Grin

FEATHERY STROKING ON A FORUM.

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pegwin · 25/05/2013 21:40

Op piss or get off the pot already.
send her a text or an email.
who knows it could be the start of something nauseating seedy beautiful.

deedotty · 25/05/2013 21:43

....and when she rejects him it will be:

  1. "her male friends/family/culture didn't allow it"
  1. "Women" (yes we all think the same Hmm) don't like nice guys.
  1. I'm so attractive I intimidated her, she had things going on in her life, society would judge the age gap.

Not

  1. "she thinks I'm a creepy weirdo and wouldn't touch me with a barge pole"
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NotDead · 25/05/2013 21:54

I must give similar advice to my friend who is dating..its not him its you. its not his job, expectations, outlook, bad judgement, fear, 'intimidated by a strong intelligent woman' etc its because you are a creepy old spinster who cackles when she 'laughs'.

I know I have kept my sense of humour, butdo you know how twisted and nasty some of you sound.. hardly attractive enough to stimulate you wank scenario!

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NotDead · 25/05/2013 21:54

I must give similar advice to my friend who is dating..its not him its you. its not his job, expectations, outlook, bad judgement, fear, 'intimidated by a strong intelligent woman' etc its because you are a creepy old spinster who cackles when she 'laughs'.

I know I have kept my sense of humour, butdo you know how twisted and nasty some of you sound.. hardly attractive enough to stimulate you wank scenario!

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LadyBeagleEyes · 25/05/2013 22:08
deedotty · 25/05/2013 22:20

TOMORROW'S NEWS: ON ANOTHER FORUM, SOMEWHERE

"I think all these women were secretly flirting with me.

I told them unsolicited my We swapped fantasies online.

We had a strong connection. According to my ONLINE EBOOK TO SHOW SHE SECRETLY WANTS YOU they were all sending me secret mating signals. Baboons do it when they want to copulate.

Should I wait for them to make the first move? Or should I offer a Yoni massage?

I'M IN LOVE AND DON'T WANT TO SPOIL IT.

"

(I feel like I need to wipe my hands just posting on this thread Confused)

pegwin · 25/05/2013 23:36

really though. why not just ask her out/tell her how you feel?

What is the worst that could happen?

Wahla · 26/05/2013 15:56

Ok OP so your good looking, have a degree of charm and a bit 'alternative' and that got you loads of sex in your youth, without you having to make any real effort or look up from your navel gazing. But, as you've discovered, getting the girl is one thing. Keeping her, quite another ball game and you my friend, have no game.

You have no game and your now middle aged and it is becoming increasingly obvious to the women that all you have to offer is a fun time between the sheets and a long wait for Peter Pan to decide to leave Neverland.

This girl may well be attracted to you but she sees you for what you are and unless you put something else on the table other than your cock, she's not going there. Sorry. You need to pull your thumb out of your butt and work out what you have to offer and what your willing to give. This is why your Wendy's are choosing the 'boring' types. There's more than one way to be boring and the "It's all about ME" show get very dull, very quickly not matter how cool and edgy a persona you've created for yourself.

You get out what you put in. If you keep coming out of relationships with shit all, what's that telling you?

NotDead · 26/05/2013 17:26

Yup that's what I thought.. except people who do get to know me do see the opposite. As for 'having game' its true I don't have a construction to entice long term. No safe career or big pension atm but i am one of those people who basically feels incomplete without love, so its hard to see what I would be like in love. I know from the one or two examples that my 'game'..presumably attractiveness.. is v. strong when I am in love and its reciprocated. In the past this has made partners feel insecure.. though i am extremely loyal when I am committed it is also then when I become really attractive to other women, so it has helped my gfs friends in the past set up doubts in my gfs mind about my loyalty. in younger relationships this was surprisingly effective at breaking us up.

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pegwin · 26/05/2013 17:36

op have you asked her yet? no point mooning about. if you are not going to ask her then move on.

possibly if you always wait for women to ask/pounce on you instead of making a move they assume they were more interested in you and you may go off with the next woman who pounces.

also if you never flirt and never show any interest in other women then utterly should not make your gfs feel insecure. unless you are hedging your bets/flirting just tks prove to yourself that women find you as irresistible as you seem to think you are.
as poster above was saying, you need to offer more than just looks. and NO not money or pensions. unless you want a woman who wants you for your walletHmm.

check out thread from last night about lovely dps - notice none of them mentioned their dps pension.

NotDead · 26/05/2013 17:55

I suppose what I'm really asking then is what does having 'game' mean then? is it own house and car? liking kids? being supportive?

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NotDead · 26/05/2013 18:00

oh just read other thread.. I can be nice!

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BOF · 26/05/2013 18:03

I think you should concentrate on the supremely fascinating relationship you clearly have with your right hand yourself -- and leave the poor girl alone.

NotDead · 26/05/2013 18:03

oh and re flirting I do get accused of that but I see conversation as a way to make people feel better and flirting/praising comes into that, sure. I wouldn't stop a gf from flirting if that's the way she is.. you can be intensely loyal and flirt in a friendly way too and those are the kind of people I like. Thanks for these later perspectives though I will reflect on them and what I project..

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