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Am I being unreasonable to be falling in love in this situation?

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NotDead · 20/05/2013 17:15

Hello,

I am a bloke asking for advice. I am confused by the signals from a woman I have always fancied, but with whom we have set our relationship up as almost friends, but with a tension in it that just doesn't fit friendship. She is 15 years younger than me and I first met her when she was about 21. I liked her very much the first time we talked, but I was always very conscious of a professional relationship between us. We chatted away and got on about things that are rare for me to share with people. She is not the type who jumps into relationships - in fact she had a 6 year relationship with someone who seemed dramatically unlike the person one would expect her to be with (she is really interesting, into alternative music and dressing differently - he was Mr straight and dull) She is the type to talk a great deal about sex with me - certain things I would like to try, she would also like to try. I, of course, am desperate to do them with her, and yet she seems more generally interested. Try as I might to be sensitive about entering into physical contact, though, she seems to give me so few signals that I can never be sure whether she wants anything from me or not, but I am crazy about her. Partly I know this is down to my tendency to only really make a move on women when I am a few glasses down - whereas I think she sees being too drunk as a less genuine state and so that situation - of mutual inhibition loss - is less likely. I worried that the age gap was too much and so was always looking for signals from her. These seem to come partially - in the sense we talk online after long gaps of not seeing or speaking to each other - but not fully - in the sense that when we meet, I am dying to make physical contact/kiss etc, but we never do. I saw her for a weekend recently and she said beforehand that she would put me up in her living room. Perhaps I was being too gentlemanly but when we got back I said I was happy with that, but in reality I wanted desperately to spend the night in her bed with her - though I know getting it together with someone you really like as opposed to just vaguely fancy is always difficult and probably more so with this age gap.

Our relationship in between these meetings got a bit distant partly because of geographical distance, and partly because of lot of negative stuff in my life that meant I found it difficult to share. With her, I felt that the last things she needed was a friend with difficulties. I have noticed though that as soon as she split up with her long term boyfriend, she contacted me - but I was deep in family bereavement and unable to really connect with anyone.

In that interim time, to my sadness and yes, jealousy, I found that she had been dating someone older than me. This made me feel so sad, as it sort of suggested a. that age wasn't the issue I thought and b that perhaps our 'thing' had opened up the possibility of older men to her.

On our last meet-up - ostensibly as friends - when I look back, she asked me how many people I have slept with, we talked about how she wants a baby before she is 30, about where her career might go and about how my being in a good relationship could help me get what I want out of life - all things that on reflection sound so much like she wants me too that the lack of signals I can trust just confuses me more. I sometimes wonder if I have been spoilt by seeing women who are more confident about approaching men.

Anyway, the thing is that after our last weekend together I was both incredibly sad to be leaving her, but also elated. I finally realised that I was falling in love with her - or at least, I was finding it hard not to want to talk to her every five minutes - I have thought about her every day since. I kinda broke discipline and confessed to her that I fantasise about her sexually - partly because I know she has particular fantasies that we discussed - but partly because I think a conventional 'love' approach might be too uncomfortable for her - but secretly I have more fantasies like this than I do sexual ones. I think that through this, and some silly self-ridiculing boasting when we first met, she thinks me not serious. I suspect also that some of her male friends have warned her off me - but with their own agenda. I don't really know what advice I am looking for, but I can't work her out and perhaps you can help me? Of course, in the state I am in, not being able to work her out makes me giddy with even more appreciation for her - I've got it bad haven't I?!:)

Any advice seriously welcome. :(

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claraschu · 23/05/2013 05:31

Why don't you just hold her hand/see if she wants to kiss next time you are alone together. Maybe both of you are being coy. If she's not interested, at least you will know.

Maybe asking "Do you want to have a relationship with me?" is a bit unromantic and businesslike for you, so try a gentle gesture which can't be misunderstood.

claraschu · 23/05/2013 05:34

I agree that the talk of sexual fantasies sounds a bit strange, but maybe it is some kind of flirtation you have stumbled into (giving you the benefit of the doubt here).

NotDead · 23/05/2013 05:52

Thanks.. I think you are right.. it is a flirtation. Started as a conversation but got more intense as we are both quite.. imaginative.. I enjoy it but it is consuming me a bit I'm bad enough just making eye contact!

I would love to just hold her hand and kiss. I think we are both being coy.. I think perhaps she is intimidated by my age/percieved experience I am intimidated by how strongly I'm attracted to her and that might be 'freezing' us a little..

Occasionally on dates as friends she would move closer to me..but not so much as to be clear.. I guess I am quite touchy/feely but only after someone has taken the lead and should revise this if she is as unsure as I am.

When I had a thing with an older woman once I did feel that she should make the clearer moves.. but hers were 'drink more whisky' then 'do you like me I had to get drunk to ask'.

Problem is partly that we don't live in the same town..

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quietlysuggests · 23/05/2013 09:51

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Mollydoggerson · 23/05/2013 10:11

There is no problem here, a little bit of eye contact, does it linger, if so lean in for the smooch. What's all the agonising about?

hopkinette · 23/05/2013 11:28

I am crying with laughter. He tried dressing like her - can you imagine? I am weeping!

I LOVE it when men ask tortured questions about what WOMEN want - all us identical indistinguishable female units with our hive mind.

hopkinette · 23/05/2013 11:34

He was the receptionist in the GUM clinic she went to.

DoYouWannaDance · 23/05/2013 11:43

Oh Ffs, you're living in a fantasy world OP. Much as you want this woman to be a fantasy character from a book/movie she's not, she's a real person. All the other crap only exists in your head. You are using this thread as if you were in a therapy session. May I suggest you attend one for real.

NotDead · 23/05/2013 15:27

So do you think I should not be feeling these things because they are in my head? is that really how feelings work?

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NotDead · 23/05/2013 15:31

The agonising is that its not that simple when you might be friends. .or perhaps it is? I suppose that is what I am wondering. WWhenever I have got off with friends its beem sort of sex only/ish but no fear of losing or gaining a romance that might mean something. Mores the pity I suppose because I list some of them as friends when the got boyfs.

I suppose I am only stuck because I cant laugh this off.. it would be obvious and I would be v hurt by rejection in this case. Oh well

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Mollydoggerson · 23/05/2013 15:48

That's life - take a risk.

MrsAVB · 23/05/2013 16:10

I remember feeling like that in the school playground. If you're just asking her on a date (not to be her soul mate or bend her nose to the road or whatever lovely image you gave us earlier), the risk is not that high. Yeah you'll be embarrassed if she says no but you'll both get over it. Just do it OP.

Wahla · 23/05/2013 16:50

"Stories to share" - may I suggest The Secret Diary of Adrian Mole aged 13 3/4? Not that it would help you in anyway with your 'problem' but it might help you gain an insight into how you come across. You sound like the sort of knob person who would describe themselves as an intellectual Hmm.

In fact, is Princess Tippy toes name Pandora perchance?

NotDead · 23/05/2013 17:03

oh. I would like to bend her nose to the road but in a supportive and understanding way natch. And a mat to stop nose/forehead chafes of course.. im not heartless!

I do like the insulting style of mumsnet. Its very laddy and quite comforting.

I am not 13 3/4 but I do feel a bit like it..only with a slightly bigger sexual imagination to call on. Yes you are generally correct I will ask her out. Dont worry I will do it in my own way...anonymous text from a friend saying I like her Grin

no really I will.. soon when appropriate..thank you!

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MrsAVB · 23/05/2013 18:08

And update us afterwards Smile. Good luck!

PusscatAndTiger4Eva · 23/05/2013 22:48

I'm going to take this seriously as I have necked a bottle of prosecco

OP - can you not just text her, "I really fancy you, can we go out and try this?"

Go on. Do it, worst case she tells you to fuck off, but at least then your our agony will be over.

Best case, you have a date! Woo! (and I would genuinely be happy for you x)

DoctorAnge · 23/05/2013 23:37

OP you are a bloody joker.

glastocat · 24/05/2013 05:37

Arf at are you a school janitor? Grin can you imagine!

cherhorowitz · 24/05/2013 23:21

You are the most inappropriate person and I am genuinely interested to know when, exactly, would be appropriate to you?

BinarySolo · 25/05/2013 09:07

Careers adviser? In my experience they all tend to be creepy knobbers who think they're intellectuals. I dated one once and you sound a lot like him.

I had a colleague I sat next to that I had very sexual flirty chats with and he didn't fancy me at all so I wouldn't view your inappropriate interactions as any sort of courtship. I actually asked him out to his face and was turned down but we stayed good mates.

Oh and us women just LOVE hearing about how the strength of your feelings scares you. Little intense for someone you've not even kissed, no? Sounds like a line to get into her pants.

NotDead · 25/05/2013 11:30

Is that sarcasm re strength of feelings? I am trying to get in her pants.. but seriously for love reasons. She is the first woman for ages that I can imagine really being with. I hope it will happen but you are right it could feel too intense for her.. damn I want to see her... She ignored my last suggestion we go somewhere together. . but then it was to an exhibition of bondage photos.. seemed to link in to our conversation but on reflection might have come across badly! I keep making these crazy errors with her and she keeps talking to me.. I think I am almost trying to sabotage.. perhaps I want to see if she will like all of me not just the best behaviour me.. is that possible??

I read the rules last night.. not such a good idea!

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Ubermumsy · 25/05/2013 11:54

I'm bored with this. I'm going for a Twix.

turkeyboots · 25/05/2013 12:34

You are a tattoo artist or some other alternative lifestyle person I bet. Ladies fell over you when you were young and edgy. But now you are not.

I know a worryingly large ammount of men like you. With impossible standards, living out their whole lives online or in their imaginations. They haven't aged well and many are alone and lonely now, bitterly regretting not taking more chances with the pretty young things when said pretty young things would still be interested.

Just ask her out on a date. If she doesn't say yes, she's not interested and you move on. Don't be the creepy hanger rounder.

NotDead · 25/05/2013 12:46

well that was a bit of a closer guess.. but I have aged well thanks! I don't have impossible standards as I think women are pretty flawed.. not all wealthy enough and are a pain to be around sometimes. but I love all that. .its like being alive. I'm not bitter and was happy bumbling along until I realised how I really felt here.

I personally think that even if she were attracted to me she would be very sure not to be seen as just another one.. I do give the impression of sleeping with lots of people but I don't really.. because I am very sexually confident and really genuinely dont do the ownership or treat women badly thing that so many men see as expressing interest.. I have lost people in the past because they thought I didn't care when I didn't get insanely jealous if they talked to another man.

I don't know all of course but I know that some women have left me because they were getting too into me and didn't see me as marriage material..but its weird..that is exactly how I see myself. Part of it is..though I know you will all shout at me.. is that I am quite fit, quite good looking and don't dress like the ironed-shirt jeans amd shoes twats that fill up our town centres with leery guffaws.. so I do get friendly attention.. but that's not the point.. its not choice im after..its x..

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NotDead · 25/05/2013 12:50

oh and as regards hanger rounder.. I am used to having female friends, thats why this is complicated. If I were tge school disco type..boys one side girls on the other.. type it would be super easy but I'm not that kind of guy.. that 'women are a diffeeent species that can be tricked by lines and techniques' is just not me..if it were.. then this would be so much easier. .

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