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This is the dating thread 54, all welcome!

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JulietteMontague · 15/05/2013 23:36

All very welcome to share online and real life dating experiences.

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Toni2710 · 19/05/2013 23:59

Sorry I have to managed to catch up with the thread due to a bloody awful week but hello all!

Just checking into report back on an awesome second date with 'hot guy'. Seeing him again next weekend and can't wait. Grin So glad as I really needed it.

KinNora · 20/05/2013 06:38

Morning everyone,
Juliette I always have this image of you as a very cool, very sophisticated woman - 'I'm glad you made me come' and pulling the jumper over your head made me laugh out loud even at this hour.

OWW I think he sounds quite promising, I generally find a touch of the anorak to be quite attractive in a man because I'm secretly a right nerd and my children laugh at me

Pom and Toni - excellent news.

Lubey - lovely to see you ! That's a shame about Mr Flirt, how do you get to 40 without having ever given oral ? Aren't you seeing BC soon ?

ALittleStranger · 20/05/2013 07:45

A lot of people seem to write off a partner sexually after the first night, or am I being unfair? Maybe I have too high a tolerance for crap sex, but I cut people a lot of slack the first time. Although my approach to first-time sex in the past has been a little that it's something you have to get out the way so the good stuff can start when the nerves go.

I'm falling into bad OD habits, I think I'm about to vanish on one guy ahead of a date and really can't be bothered to respond to a request for a follow-up from another. Need a Debrett's-sponsored slap in the face as I don't want to be one of those people.

lubeybooby · 20/05/2013 08:05

Alittle 1) I haven't written him off if you read what I said and 2) er... forgot what I was gonna say so refer to point one again instead :o

Oh yeah I remember. He actually TOLD me himself that it is a regular issue for him. I haven't presumed that. What I don't know is why, I didn't press the issue in case it was nerves and not over use of porn. And I'm still gonna give a second go anyway but I already know it will happen again because I'm me, and when I find a lovely person who I really fancy the universe conspires to prevent me having fulfilling sex with them. (apart from BC)

VelvetSpoon · 20/05/2013 08:18

Morning all!

Western, good on the looks front then but shame about the conversation - maybe give it another try, it could be he was nervous so stuck to topics he was comfortable with, or maybe he's just a bit dull. 2nd date should confirm one way or the other.

Stranger, rather than just disappearing can you not send them both a version of the sorry no spark/ you're not quite what I'm looking for, or something like that. Fairer than just vanishing.

Re sex, I have only had one instance of crap sex (apart from a couple of ONS which weren't too great), and that was 3 months into a relationship. In hindsight the fact we waited so long should have been an indication...it didn't get any better either. As to whether I'd put up with it now, depends on how good everything else was - but I would have in the back of my mind that it might not improve.

Weird old dream last night. Was driving exp's car (badly) and got stopped by the police as I only have a provisional licence - and didn't have anyone with me, so was going to get prosecuted (and compromise my job). Its a dream I used to have a lot a while back, but haven't had it for years. Anyone know about dream analysis?!!

ALittleStranger · 20/05/2013 08:20

Lubey I didn't meant to imply you had written him off, your post just sparked thoughts of what seems to be a general trend. Although it's more inspired by some thinking I was doing during the cleaning last night (oh yes, sexy time), that people are very upfront sometimes about exactly which box they expect their sexual partner to fit into. Whereas for me one of the things I like is that sexuality is fluid and always unique to the particular pairing (or more if that's your thing).

JulietteMontague · 20/05/2013 09:12

Good morning all

Kin I realised long ago that decorum is very different to composure Wink

Lubey he sounds lovely, how did he managed to hit 40 without oral though? I hope that isn't linked somehow to sex issue that goes with inability to orgasm/let go. I would also find that frustrating long term.

Stranger I think it depends on why the sex is crap. If it's tea difference in technique or style it can improve when you get to know each other better but some people just don't have it in them and no amount of encouragement will fix that. I had crap sex in one relationship for 4 years, it was crap from the first time. Life is too short to waste being pawed, ignored, pumped rabbit style or in my case being mistaken for a Ford Fiesta that needed a good polish.

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Moanranger · 20/05/2013 11:19

LMAO again!
Re crap sex, I agree first time can be tricky, so cutting of slack a good idea. I think good sex is a function of innate sensuality - love of touching, being touched, happy to focus on pleasures of moment rather than see foreplay as an unfortunate obstacle on way to PIV - in my moderately extensive experience (13) this is like emotional intelligence and can't really be taught.
Bottom line for me - I ain't teaching another guy how to do foreplay! The program must already be installed & well -tested IYSWIM.

Secretservice · 20/05/2013 12:21

Blimey, this thread just keeps growing and growing! Tried to keep up over the weekend, but failed, sorry. Hope I haven't missed anything too important

So far been a really miserable Monday Sad. Some work I was promised has not turned up so I doubt I'll have the time to finish it by their deadline now - £600 snatched away, which was going to help justify the holiday, which is now turned into yet another family crisis. Sad and Angry

DD2 has decided she doesn't want to go with us but can she have the money for a music festival instead? Stupidly I didn't say no straight away. DD1 is apoplectic 'she always gets what she wants, what if I don't want to go'. I just can't seem to do right for doing wrong at the moment. Which is never suggested the bloody holiday now, it was supposed to be a good thing. Now like everything else it's crap

Oh, and back on topic, OD very much falls into that category

Secretservice · 20/05/2013 12:22

... Wished I'd never suggested...

JulietteMontague · 20/05/2013 12:47

Secret maybe the teens on the world have got together to throw a big one this weekend. DS was asked to do some garden chores over the weekend which resulted in a standoff in full hearing of both sets of neighbours. With holidays I don't think it's possible to get it right once they get past about 12. I've lost count of the holiday things that wrong because they are. The most I could hope for is sulking whilst we were there, followed years later by "I liked it there"Hmm

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lubeybooby · 20/05/2013 13:14

Hooray! Unexpected day off (well, half a day) has happened. Now attempting to catch up a little bit. Tough job seeing as there's 6 weeks worth though Shock perhaps I should just stick to this thread!

Anyway...

Kin yes hopefully seeing BC next month, although I missed a call from him the other week and thought it was odd that he rang me, he usually will text first or just stick to email. Haven't heard anything since but that isn't particularly unusual for him and I haven't chased it up as been too busy. Gawd knows what that was all about, I expect I'll find out soon! Really hope the vaguely planned June shagfest is still on :o it had better be.

Now then so Mr Flirt. We actually have some history, where stuff nearly happened before with us. We snogged and played around a little bit but stopped before anything else happened. I was a bit drunk and not really bothered but I did ask why a little while later and he said he used to have a big problem with panic attacks and he could feel one coming on because it was 'something he hadn't done for a long time' so yeah, fair enough I can see why that would freak some people out. So that's the history anyway.

We've since got to know each other quite a lot more and I know he is really, really inexperienced in general, having been a late starter and only really had one long relationship with someone who I gather was never bothered about sex. So it's not just with the never having given oral thing.

I can tell the general lack of experience without him even saying, because if all the work so to speak is left to him he just keeps slipping out and can't control his errr angles and aim all that well.

I'll see him again and persevere a little bit though because he is a spectacular kisser which I LOVE (and also think is a good sign that there is hope) and because he was at least willing and very fast learning with the oral :o and because he is lovely and I do really really fancy him (MMmmmmmm MALENESS! RARR! Wink ) More than last time I saw him which is rather weird. And because we were at it for long his angles and aim were even starting to improve. I am making myself giggle here but I don't know how else to put it. I'm sure you all know what I mean :o

I have to say though if it turns out the non orgasming is down to too much porn use and needing to wank rather than cope with an actual real woman then that is a major dealbreaker for me and instant dumping. If not though if it's some kind of anxiety then maybe I can work with that a little bit and maybe it will be a little better next time around...

JulietteMontague · 20/05/2013 13:56

Lubey I'm begining to think of producing a Fannynav. It will have the addition of the beepers someone suggested up thread for both the 'wrongun' and 'oops its fallen out'. Mr Flirt does sounds like he is about to catch up big time, plus that amount of maleness is always appreciated Grin

Pity party alert. It's my birthday tomorrow. This usually results in me going loopy from the beginning of May for a brief time whilst I wonder why I have no partner or available friends to share with ponder my life. This year, the lovely Dutch is in the world and had DS not had exams planned for this week, he would have been by my side. Except that DS announced on Saturday that he is not now taking those exams to improve his grades as he is going to concentrate on the others in June Hmm.

I'm also restricted in movement because of my back at the moment, DS knows this but is making a massive point of not clearing up after himself because he is 'tired' Hmm. Because I forced him into labour in the garden to do something I've been asking him to do for several weeks he is refusing to speak to me --. I've now made my back worse by mowing the lawn myself.

But the thing that has really got me is I just spoke to my Mum who had completely forgotten it was my birthday. Now I didn't take that too personally as her memory is very bad now although it would't be the first time she forgot even when she did have a good memory . She did say sorry she forgot and never says sorry so, fine. What has tipped me over is that even though I said it was ok, not to worry and thought it best to finish the call as I could sense tears (from her), she then she then said "That's upset me now" so still made it about her Hmm Hmm Hmm.

Fuck, I thought I was doing so well this year too... Sad

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JulietteMontague · 20/05/2013 14:07

DS of course has no idea that I had put my plans on hold, it was my decision but I'm wallowing in self pity because nobody loves me I just feel like a bit of a mug.

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Bant · 20/05/2013 14:38

Juliette - happy birthday for tomorrow. I know it's not the same, but I shall light a candle on a cupcake and eat it on your behalf.

Suggestions for the FannyNav..
"When possible, do a u-turn"..
"Please slow down, this is a speed restricted area"..
"You have reached your destination.. now clean up"

OhWesternWind · 20/05/2013 14:42

Oh Juliette you are doing well, absolutely brilliantly. Birthdays are awful, another of these "special times" that make so many of us feel a bit low. But you're right, you do have the marvellous Dutchman in your life this year, even if he can't physically be with you (probably a good job given the state of your poor back Grin )

Your mum sounds about as tactless and self-absorbed as mine! Nothing to be done, but it still stings, doesn't it?

We'll have a virtual party on here for you with Ike deejaying ...

lubeybooby · 20/05/2013 14:53

Juliette lmao at the fannynav and beepers. That could be a really useful educational tool for the oh so willing yet inexperienced Mr Flirt.

I hope you have a better day tomorrow for your birthday! Flowers

KirstyWirsty · 20/05/2013 15:10

juliette have a hug .. Don't know how I'd feel if my mum forgot my birthday ..

Scattylatte · 20/05/2013 15:21

Hello everyone.

Im keeping up with the thread. Feeling ok but a bit insecure about fireman. No real reason but he has got quite cocky recently. He puts it down to being happy, meeting me and my influence on him. Thats good but Im worried that he will decide that im not good enough. He isnt behaving any differently other than buying new clothes, copying me in being frugal and saying how upbeat he is. I think with my recent crash and burn depression i feel uncertain and insecure. Thats it really.

RafaellaNhaKyria · 20/05/2013 15:27

So annoyed. Had a few lovely dates with a guy after chatting on POF fr a couple of weeks. We got on well, he's gorgeous, smart and I liked him. Finally slept with him and POOF! He's gone.

Shit head!

KirstyWirsty · 20/05/2013 15:43

^Rafaella* it is one of the things that happens .. Even if you waited for 10 dates he would have done the same

scatty doesn't sound like he thinks you are not good enough when he is changing his behaviour to mirror yours

OhWesternWind · 20/05/2013 15:50

Hi Scatty - I think it all sounds good, he's obviously taking on some good habits financially and sounds on fine form. He's not going to change his mind about you all of a sudden - in fact, it sounds like he thinks very highly of you if he's changing his lifestyle and outlook to match more closely to yours. Probably a bit of insecurity left from the depression, these things are hard to get out of your head but it doesn't seem like there's anything to worry about here.

Rafaella shit head indeed. On to the next!

Knackered today, no idea why as I was back early last night. Still feeling quite encouraged about last night's date, and also about tomorrow's.

Two on the go at once, don't usually do this but I feel okay about it as they are both starting off at the same time, so it's not like I have got anywhere more serious with either of them. The man tomorrow is I think an OD virgin (or very close) - might mean he is normal and uncorrupted - I wish! We will see. He sounds nice.

ike1 · 20/05/2013 16:02

Oh well done OWW sounds encouraging. I feel really ill today ...too much booze creating almost panic attack type feelings. Time to dry out I reckon....

Snapespeare · 20/05/2013 16:21

rafaella what a shit-heel. i had one of those...4 dates DTD then disapp'd. pffft.

i'm feeling wobbly and annoyed. DCs GPs phoned FOUR times yesterday to arrange birthday treat. Angry Angry Angry Angry spent day finding perfect & hugely cheaq

Snapespeare · 20/05/2013 16:21

rafaella what a shit-heel. i had one of those...4 dates DTD then disapp'd. pffft.

i'm feeling wobbly and annoyed. DCs GPs phoned FOUR times yesterday to arrange birthday treat. Angry Angry Angry Angry spent day finding perfect & hugely cheaq

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