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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships...coming of age:21

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foolonthehill · 04/05/2013 11:49

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin


Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!




Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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minkembra · 15/05/2013 22:18

totally know how you feel. would suit me if get had dcs more but not sure it would be that great for them.

she was v brave to come to you. would it be an idea to as her what she would like or what is best?

my 2 would say for me to come too tho which is not an option .

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 15/05/2013 22:20

She will say stay with me I'm sure. He always says he wouldn't force them to go,

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 15/05/2013 22:23

Oops, but then piles on the emotional blackmail. I know I must step up and tell him it's because she can't stand the shouting either. DS is too young to articulate much, but I'm guessing it won't be long. 1 of my stepdaughters won't come and stay anymore and he still can't see he's in the wrong.

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TheSilveryPussycat · 15/05/2013 22:32

sorry min x-posted in my last reply to you. Yes, if they are little, I would certainly feedback their feelings to FW and suggest an apology, if that will help them.

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butterflymeadow · 15/05/2013 22:46

I think in the short term, yes, I would say she does not have to go, and FW can strop to his heart's content but it is not about him. I think pony is right, she is asking for help. She seems to be able to cope with short visits, but struggling with overnights. She will grow more confident if someone listens to her.
DD has done one overnight at her dad's in just under ten years. It is different reasons, but at some point, I did decide it was going to be her choice and I would not force her.

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butterflymeadow · 15/05/2013 22:48

It is bollocks, though, it would just be nice if FWs weren't FWs and dcs were not in such a position.

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RowanMumsnet · 15/05/2013 23:05

Hello

We've removed the name from Matchsticks's post now - thanks for all the reports.

MNHQ

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TisILeclerc · 15/05/2013 23:21

Was that a 'thanks for all the reports' Rowan? Grin

We look after each other don'tcha know?!

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BreatheandFlyAway · 16/05/2013 00:13

Hello lovelies.

match and mink so Sad for your worries about the dcs. Thank goodness they have lovely dms Smile

I agree with butterfly and pony that dd is asking for help in her own way. These fws only have thoughts for themselves, don't they?

FW here was standing doom and gloomily in garden until I shut the door on the affecting scene because it was making the house cold and cheerily checked he had his keys Wink - my assertiveness is clearly causing the poor dear pain and distress. It must hurt when the doormat rises up, eh Angry

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minkembra · 16/05/2013 09:26

i emailed this morning saying pretty much the above.
don't expect much acknowledgment other than 'ok' or 'fine' at best. 'go fuck yourself' is just as likely.

but i have said my piece.

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 16/05/2013 09:52

Morning all. Sorry for the silence, poor DD has got the illness that is currently very much in the public eye at the moment (not going to say exactly what it is as it will out me but sure you'll all know what I mean!). So more stress but she's doing ok.

Hope your little DCs are ok match and mink. It's good that you think so much about them when FW doesn't as they need someone to stand their corner. A decent Dad would do the same. Makes me very Angry

Breathe - a doormat rising only hurts if you're stood on it Grin

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TisILeclerc · 16/05/2013 10:11

Oh no! I hope she gets better soon Nini Sad

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minkembra · 16/05/2013 10:46

nini bit hugs to poor dd and to you as it must be stressful. Thanks

FW did not get email but phoned. on plus side at least this means he cares about the dcs. i hope.
otoh conversation did involve your lesbian feminist control nonsense. only a misogynist equates lesbian and feminist in the same term. its not men i don't like. just sexist twunts.

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TisILeclerc · 16/05/2013 10:55

mink bingo!

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arthriticfingers · 16/05/2013 12:02

mink you forgot 'frigid' and the 'w' word to make a full house

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arthriticfingers · 16/05/2013 12:06

Was just thinking about maggie as this thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1757314-Am-I-the-abuser-or-is-he-Totally-confused-by-it-all
reminded me of her first post.
to maggie wherever you are: hope it just gets better and better

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foolonthehill · 16/05/2013 12:06

Nini - a doormat rising only hurts if you're stood on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am putting this on my fridge

love to all

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 16/05/2013 12:48

Nini hope your dd is better soon.
Mink how do you feel now he's responded?

FW did the school run this morning. I told DD that she didn't have to go and asked her if she meant she wasn't comfortable with overnights or going at all. She said going at all.

Mentioned to FW this morning that she has told me he's been shouting. He swears he hasn't ( I think we know out of a FW and a 5yr old who brought the subject up who is lying). He then threw in that "She says stuff about you too!"
I think given that she wants to stay with me and feels safe enough to tell me anything, that is almost certainly a load of crap.

I am hoping she can cope with the occasional school run. It's only twice a week max and some weeks not at all, due to his shifts.
He has again said I don't have to send them if I don't want to, but I know he thinks I palm them off so I can have a social life.
What I'm actually doing is trying to help them maintain a relationship with him. The new social life is a bonus, I'm hardly out every weekend.
But I do need dd to know that I am taking her feelings seriously.
I have taken today off work as I slept so badly last night and have loads of worries about her whirling round in my head.

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arthriticfingers · 16/05/2013 13:03

match :(

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ponygirlcurtis · 16/05/2013 13:54

Match glad you've taken some time off. I know what a worry it is. But well done to you for having created such a safe environment for her that she can talk to you. If all FW can say is 'well, she says stuff about you too', then I think that shows how much consideration he has for her feelings - more worried about getting one back over on you than about his little girl. Sad - but also Smile that she has you. What about DS, I know he's little, but would you send him to FW if DD wasn't going? DD might worry about him being there on his own, getting the full brunt of the FWittery and not able to say!

Nini, that's awful about your DD, hope she's feeling better soon. Love your doormat comment!

mink glad he's responded, but really it's just the same as ever, it's on his own terms - an apology with an insult thrown in for good measure. Did he apologise at all?

arth funny, I thought of Maggie when I read that thread too. Made me think of her and hope she's doing ok.

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 16/05/2013 14:01

pony to be honest, I think he can only cope with one child at a time. I think ds would be okay by himself as FW enjoys devoting himself to 'boys' stuff. Of course, if ds starts to tell me things I would have to reconsider, but I definitely think FW has a stronger bond with him.

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ponygirlcurtis · 16/05/2013 14:07

My thought with that, Match, is how will DD feel if DS is going and being treated nicely by daddy, when he just shouted at her? Maybe she'll not bat an eyelid, but would she feel that there was something wrong with her that daddy didn't like her/didn't want to spend time with her? FW could very easily divide and conquer then - 'look, I spend time with DS and it's fine, it's just you crazy women' and pit the two siblings against each other 'I'm daddy's favourite' etc.

Sorry, don't want to be all over-dramatic and get you upset with doom-mongering - I could be utterly wrong, that solution might work great for DD and DS. But I'm basing it on how my DS feels now that his FW of a step-dad is only wanting to see DS2, and how that's affected his self-esteem. Would you be able to consider not sending either, if he can't control his temper better, or having it supervised? Could you talk to someone external, eg Health Visitor, about this?

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 16/05/2013 14:13

I don't know to be honest. I know she enjoys 1-1 time with me. Not sure about the supervision thing. DS is too little to tell her what it's been like there. It's all a bit overwhelming.

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 16/05/2013 14:13

Plus dd knows fw wants to see them both, not just ds.

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ponygirlcurtis · 16/05/2013 14:15

Sorry Match, I'm probably not helping, it's just my knee-jerk reaction given how rejected DS1 is and his poor self-esteem as a result of FW. But definitely don't try and knot yourself up about it - speak to someone and get advice from a solicitor/lawyer/health visitor. You don't have to make decisions alone on this. Have a Brew and rest.

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