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DD abusing me - distressed

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Minifingers · 03/05/2013 12:39

Have posted about dd on parenting teenagers board under a different user name. If you recognise me, please don't out me, as dd sometimes searches mn to see what I've said about her. I don't think she has ever looked at this board though. I lurk on this board a bit. I thought I'd post after realising that what I'm feeling at the moment is not a million miles away from what what I read here from women in abusive partnerships with adults. I really need to off-load.

There's a special kind of sadness and shame attached to being abused by your young teenage child because underneath you are constantly asking yourself the question - are they like this because of the way I've parented them? And fear for them - for their future and their well-being. I strongly believe that behaving in a violent and abusive way doesn't just harm the person who's being abused, but in a spiritual and emotional sense also the person who's behaving abusively. That's really hard when you are a parent on the receiving end of abuse from your child.

A bit of background: dd is going to be 14 in August. Up until the end of primary she was a very easy and happy little girl. Unusually happy, confident and high spirited I'd say. She had a massive sense of fun and loads of energy, to the point that she'd always be the last child standing at any party or sleep-over. She breezed through primary in top sets for everything, despite being one of the youngest in her year. Her teachers LOVED her. She was very, very pretty too, to the point that people would stop me in the street and say what an adorable little girl she was.

Fast forward to year 9 and she's unrecognisable as the happy, lovely little girl we knew before. She's still sociable and has a lot of friends, including a couple she's known since nursery. But that's all that's left of what she was before. On the days she's not actively refusing to go to school (about 2 or 3 out of every 5 days at the moment - she just won't get out of bed), she deliberately makes herself very, very late. She regularly argues with teachers - just point blank refuses to do things she doesn't feel like doing at school, whether it's an assessment for PE, moving desks because she's been talking, whatever. She walks out of detentions if she thinks they've kept her long enough, refuses to do any homework, is MASSIVELY disrespectful to the teachers she doesn't like.

Obviously I've tried to do something about her behaviour. I've moved her school (she asked me to and I was unhappy with her old school), I have kept in regular touch with her tutor and her head of year. We have tried to put sanctions in place for bad behaviour (ie grounding and losing her phone) and made our expectations clear but we aren't the most organised people and her behaviour has been so universally bloody awful that it has got to a point where sanctions become a bit meaningless. And in the meantime she has become so angry, and so resentful of me in particular, and it's got worse and worse to the point where I can't see how we can go on, despite the support we've had from the school and from other agencies (CAMHS) to get to the bottom of her behaviour.

If you've read on to this point you might be thinking - So far, so typical of some teenagers, but I'm posting specifically because of her behaviour towards me and how it's made me feel.

Over the last few months she has become more and more aggressive towards me. She

  • daily tells me I'm pathetic and a failure as a parent because I have an autistic child (her youngest brother who is 7) and a daughter (her) who has been referred to CAMHS and who I can't control
  • tells me I'm old and stupid. Tells me constantly to 'shut up' and if I don't do what she says, says 'Are you stupid? Did you hear me? SHUT UP'
  • tells me I'm a failure because the house is messy and because I buy my clothes in charity shops
  • says that DH should leave me and could do much better than me
  • walks into the bathroom when I'm in the bath, even when I have the door locked and have said not to come in - she sticks a card through the gap in the door and unlatches it, pushes her way in and shoots disgusted looks at my body. Says she needs to wash her hands and won't go downstairs to do it because she can't be bothered
  • walks into my bedroom and pulls things off my shelves when she wants something of mine, without asking me if she can have it. She walks past me into the room, ignores me when I say 'what do you want?', literally physically barges me out of the way and laughs at me, just takes what she wants and walks out.
  • she has locked me out of the house when I've stepped outside to put something in the bin
  • she has trashed my room
  • she body-blocks me in the hallway of the house, sticks her face in mine and shouts at me that I'm pathetic and scared to make eye contact with her.
  • she gas lights me
  • she tells me I should just leave and why don't I give up and move out
  • she constantly points out that DH earns more than me and that therefore he is 'in charge'. I have pointed to her that this is not how finances work in a marriage (at least not in ours thank god). She ignores me.

..... and then yesterday she snatched my mobile after I refused to allow her something she wanted. When I tried to get it back off her she hit me around the face, knocking my glasses to the floor, laughed at me when I cried, and shoved me out the front door of the house.

She weighs 10 and a half stone and is stronger than me. I'm frightened of her.

I found myself sitting crying in the car and too frightened to go back into my own home. I ended up going around to my SIL's house. She came back home with me and persuaded dd to be driven round to my mums, where she stayed last night.

I don't want her to come home. I feel completely traumatised by the last few months - I have this constant feeling of exhaustion and a weird sense of vigilance - like I am living under siege. I suspect a year or two more of this and I'd have a heart attack or something. The atmosphere in the house is often awful and it's affecting my ability to parent my other two children.

And although I'm the one who is the target of most of her spite and anger, DH is also very stressed by it. He's a 45 year old manager and someone who I would have said had 'cast iron' good mental health. Yet she managed to make him cry last week. First time I have seen him cry in the 20 years we've been together. He's a brilliant dad, very patient and caring. He's made loads of time for dd the past year, knowing that she's struggling with growing up, taken her shopping, to the theatre and out to lunch.

I keep asking myself what I've done to make her like this. DH and I have been together for 20 years, and we have always been loving and respectful to each other, in front of the children and at every other time. We NEVER speak to each other in a disrespectful way.

I have not been a perfect parent to dd - I have nagged her too much about her lack of effort at school (and when I say lack of effort I mean lack of ANY effort, not a failure to reach some impossible standard of perfection), I have lost the plot at times and shouted and pleaded with her about her truanting and lateness. On a couple of occasions I attempted to push her into her bedroom when she attacked me. I should have walked away and shut myself in my bedroom instead of engaging with her physically. DH has admitted he's made mistakes with her as well, and has apologised for telling her she was a 'waste of space' (in fairness, this was a comment on her absolute refusal to ever lift a finger to help at home, including refusing to do even such basic things such as remove her plate from the table after eating, put rubbish in a bin instead of just dropping it on the floor wherever in the house she happens to be standing, or flush the toilet after she's done a crap in it). Can her abusiveness be our fault? Is it always learned behaviour?

How do I survive the next few years being abused and disrespected in my own home until she grows up and either leaves or stops doing it? How do I keep myself intact and strong as a mother?

If you've got this far - thanks! I'm going out to walk the dog (stress relief). Will come back and respond later if anyone answers this.

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Snazzynewyear · 05/05/2013 00:23

I don't see why thinking 'ffs' while saying something implies that you won't listen to the reply you get.

I think kickarsequeen's suggestion is an interesting one - it would have the benefits of getting the OP out of the house doing something that is an outlet for her frustration, and also that would encourage pride in her body and what it can do - something her daughter's behaviour has undermined recently (bursting into bathroom as well as physical aggression)

Kickarsequeen · 05/05/2013 00:25

Op, just in case no one else has mentioned this possibility, has your DD's thyroid been checked? If not then please get it checked ASAP!

springykitsch · 05/05/2013 00:27

Kids like this are exasperating. One of my ds's genuinely said, with a completely straight face, that he was disappointed he didn't do well in his mock A level "when I revised for a whole day". You're tearing your hair out with this type of fuckwit comment and you have to use every ounce of strength to not shout at them; or at least say 'don't be a moron!'

yy I have noticed that my boy did his A levels. some things function with my kids, though goodness knows why. That's the point: you never know what is and isn't going to work.

I also can't help noticing how some parents expect to be in total control of their kids. Perhaps expecting to be in total control is what their kids have learned.

Maryz · 05/05/2013 00:34

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Minifingers · 05/05/2013 00:42

Horatia, how old are your dc's? Have your dc's engaged in criminal, abusive and self-harming behaviours over a long and sustained period of time?

I listen to Maryz because she understands. As do other parents on mn struggling with exceptionally difficult teens.

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Minifingers · 05/05/2013 00:47

Very interested in idea of doing self-defence. Smile

Thanks for that suggestion!

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springykitsch · 05/05/2013 00:48

I thought the same Horatio ie that you can't be dealing with the same behaviour if you have achieved those basic rules.

Even an oblique 'no' had me nearly strangled by my daughter. You have to find a way to deflect conflict. You have to get more and more skilled, more and more clever.

(and yes I had her arrested for the strangling incident. Haven't heard the end of it if truth be told.)

Maryz · 05/05/2013 00:49

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VenusRising · 05/05/2013 00:49

So sorry you and your family are all going through this.

A few things: when was your DS diagnosed with autism, did it impact her a lot, or was she seemingly ok?

Is she bullied at shcool?

Was she abused?

Is she on the pill? This can make someone behave very aggressively - especially the progesterone only.

Has she been assessed for depression, or other mental illness.

Whatever happens with her, you need to be safe.
I'd call the police if ahe assaults you again, as that will start a cascade of interventions from those who can help you all.

Good luck! I hope it's a phase she's going through, and everything works out perfectly for you all.

springykitsch · 05/05/2013 00:53

That same daughter has learnt self-defence and, in a flash (arf), got a thief in a headlock when he stole her camera when we were on holiday. He meekly handed it back to her, terrified for his life.

so yes, it does work...[sigh]

Minifingers · 05/05/2013 00:56

Laughing at the idea that my teen could be made to do her own washing up.

How?

I've run out of sanctions from dealing with her violence, school refusal and spiteful behaviour to siblings. Getting her to do chores is so far down the list of 'things we need to sort out with dd' that it's slipped off the bottom of the page.

For the record, DH and I are generally EXTREMELY courteous with our requests. Can't deny that when we are asking her to get up for school for the 38th time of a morning and being met with a 'piss off and leave me alone' the mask of polite cheeriness can slip a but, but hey ho, we try!

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Minifingers · 05/05/2013 00:59

DS's diagnosis seemed to pas dd by. She isn't really interested in him and refuses to learn anything about autism.

Not abused.
Not bullied.
Not on the pill.
Has been seen by a consultant psychiatrist through CAMHS. No diagnosis of any specific developmental or psychiatric disorder.

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VenusRising · 05/05/2013 01:03

She needs a role model then, one who is black if that's what she's identifying as.

It's not going to be you, at this point. It sounds like she's having an identity crisis.

You need to recruit someone suitable to help her. It could be a teacher, or a business owner or a doctor. Maybe she needs a job with a black woman as the boss. Someone she can look up to and model herself from.

Kickarsequeen · 05/05/2013 01:07

Hi minifingers, has your DD had a bloodtest for thyroid? It is often missed in teens especially girls and causes weight gain and aggressive behaviour. While it may not be a total answer it does makes teendom much worse ad can be life threatening if to treated. Good luck Smile

Kickarsequeen · 05/05/2013 01:09

*If not! Fat fingers!!

madbengal · 05/05/2013 03:17

Just read this thread with massive interest I had a perfectly cute daughter until her 10th birthday she is now coming up for 12 and all CAHMS have told me is she will always be a challenging child ??? if she refuses to go to her room, you leave and goto yours WTF yeah like that works

Today she woke me up at 11am when i am on nightshift then i had 3 hours of her smacking toys off walls, lying across the floor infront of me of standing in my way, screaming at me that she wasnt lyiong and that all I do is lie to her and all this because I asked her why she had used something of MINE without asking and had finished it (expensive bubble bath) when she has loads of her own

I didnt get angry, shout etc and did use ok don't but this will happen rather alot but over this last year the stress she causes has now made my IBS that bad my tablets arent working and the doctor things it is now more serious and I was left physically shaking today(OH was at work) when her dad came in she denied it all and tried to make me out to be mad as a hatter (what she didnt know was i had been phoning OH to stay sane and he had heard her screaming at me)

What we have started was multi vits and B6 tablets and when she is on her period it does help, well takes the edge off

when I'm dayshift or off she is okay but seems to kick off when im nights and have less sleep/ patience I am dreading Monday when OH is back at work and she is off school

How do you "make them" goto school? without physical intervention I havent came across this from her yet but I can see her at 14 being like OP daughter Sad

madbengal · 05/05/2013 03:21

I wonder if what my parents did with me is now classed as abuse? I can remember once refusing to get out of bed for school and getting a jug of water over me

StitchAteMySleep · 05/05/2013 04:45

OP some more organisations that might offer support:

Kids Company

Catch 22

Friendship Works

Your local Youth Offending Team would also be a good contact, your local council website or the local Police will have information, you can contact them directly. They often do triage assessments at Police stations, as part of their offender early intervention prevention.

Natmu · 05/05/2013 05:44

This all sounds dreadful for you OP. I have a DSD one year older than your DD. she has her moments but nothing remotely like you're describing. Huge sympathy to you.

I have recently bought a very interesting book called Love Bombing by Oliver James. It might be worth a look. Testimonials in the book point to some very severe emotional problems being turned around by his approach. I haven't tried it yet but was going to use it with DS1.

Good luck with it all. I hope things turn around for you very soon.

Minifingers · 05/05/2013 06:30

Mad - have CAMHS said why they think she will 'always be challenging'? Confused. are they offering any ongoing support?

RE: ethnically similar role models - she has her aunts and cousins on her dads side, who she sees regularly. FGS - her best friend (Algerian) is the sort of girl who gets her 3 younger siblings up and dressed for school, puts them to bed, cleans the house. DD's cousin is 2 years older and they hang out a lot; I suppose you could say she's another of dd's best friends. This cousin played football at county level, is involved in loads of musical activities outside school, is learning guitar, is pretty, popular, clever and hard working. We went on holiday last year with SIL and cousins. This particular cousin got so angry and sick of the way DD spoke to me that she refused to talk to her for the rest of the holiday!

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ClaudiaSchiffer · 05/05/2013 06:37

Article on Love Bombing

I'm so sorry to hear of everything you're going through op. Natmu, I was going to mention love bombing too. See article above. But perhaps your dd has gone too far for this?

However I agree with MaryZ and others that you need to concentrate on restoring energy and kindness to yourself and your other children.

Have some more Flowers op.

JugglingFromHereToThere · 05/05/2013 08:18

I think the suggestion about martial arts is good too. My DC's do taekwondo with their Dad and I think it's good for their confidence, so even without thinking about actually using it I think it can give the person a "don't mess with me" attitude.

Also I think there can often be issues with teenagers (and adult children) feeling pressure to achieve from parents. You mention her cousin "played football at county level" and is "pretty, clever, and hard-working" - leaving aside the troubled behaviour for a moment do you think your DD knows you love her un-conditionally ? If DD took the small steps that might be possible for her, going to school everyday, & not treating you disrespectfully for example, would that be enough ?
I guess I agree with PP that you'll need to focus on the big stuff first.

HoratiaNelson · 05/05/2013 08:32

Don't think there's any point in me trying to engage on this one further - to contentious I suppose. Wish you all the best, hoping for some light at the end of the tunnel for you xx

Wuldric · 05/05/2013 08:40

I have not experienced the same degree of difficulty that you have, but DD was very challenging indeed in Years 7, 8 and 9. Year 9 was the worst, the absolute worst. She is now in Year 10 and she is much improved. So hang on in there, it will get better.

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