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Subtle EA? Or is it just me? Confused, please help

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WearingFuckMeSocks · 18/04/2013 12:04

I sincerely apologise in advance for the length of this post, feel free to skim bits if it makes it easier.

I have lurked here for sometime, have stumbled across the support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships, have never thought of DH as abusive as he?s never hit me but I?ve been unhappy for a while and couldn't understand why, he?s not overtly abusive, doesn't call me names or put me down in any obvious way, but over the 15 years we?ve been together has done some pretty shitty things. (We?ve been together 15 years, married for 10 and have ds age 7 and dd age 5)

only months after we got together I discovered I was pregnant, I hoped to sit down & discuss it like adults with him; he burst into tears, wailed, sobbed, put his head in his hands and begged me to have an abortion. I would have done anyway but didn't feel like I had a choice. The very fact that I was considering keeping it seemed to offend him.

He once burned the book i was reading on our BBQ (when drunk) because it was called ?The Satanist? and as a Catholic it offended him, esp as his mum had cancer.

once during a heated argument he got so angry he punched the wall right next to my head so hard it left the imprint of his four knuckles in the plaster; he said that was ok, he was so angry he really wanted to punch me but punched the wall instead.

2-3 years ago he decided to get fit so was having sessions with a PT, he badgered me into going too, even though I wasn't keen; after 6 months when i?d lost 1 1/2 stone, and gone from a size 16 to a 12 (im 6ft) he told me one night as i was getting into bed that ?he didn?t fancy me anymore, my tits were all saggy and I?d ruined my body and he wanted me to have a boob job"

last year bought me some eye-wateringly expensive underwear, and despite me saying repeatedly that it didn't fit has proceeded to buy me another 4 sets of same size stuff. Gets upset when I tell him it doesn't fit (again) and says he is only doing it to spice things up and put the spark back.

once remotley wiped my iphone after an argument, and during same argument threatened to sell the car

demanded/coerced me into sex when I had recurring thrush (every month, over a period of four years), despite me telling him repeatedly how much it burned.

no help with kids - has never bathed kids, could count on fingers of one hand how many times he?s put them to bed, says he cant read bedtime stories because he?s dyslexic but manages to spend 2-3 hours on his ipad every night. I thought that was normal until an exchange student we had staying with us for the summer last year commented on how he did nothing with the kids and I did everything.

went on holiday last year, DS took the class ?holiday bear? & was soooo excited, DH said we couldn?t take bear on days out in case it got lost. I was too scared to say the bear could go in the back pack, DS was visibly crushed & in tears, i felt I had failed DS because i didn't stand up to DH.

a couple of years back he tried to persuade me to have my navel pierced, i said no, then during an argument said he just wanted a sign that I loved him, like - guess what - having my navel pierced. to my eternal shame i did it, hated it but thank god it rejected so i took it out.

says he wants me to wear sexy clothes so that when we go out he can show me off and other blokes will be jealous. i don?t really want to anyones trophy.

he wants me to be completely hairless between my legs, i?ve tried it a couple of times but frankly don't like it, thinks its degrading, don?t think im setting a good example to my dd (or ds for that matter, what will he think when sees a real bush?), (and god does it itch when it grows back in) he says I should do it for him to please him.

Says i should do things to please him even if i don't like doing it, as he would do the same for me. i have tried to explain to him that i don't understand how he can get pleasure from me doing something I clearly don't want to do, and that i wouldn't even ask him to do something that he was unhappy with, but he doesn't get it.

A few weeks ago DS was unhappy at school & with homework, after a discussion with the head teacher I was browsing the web looking at home schooling (something I considered before DS started school, not something I?d rush into but it?s always an option) he caught me looking at HE websites, didn't think to ask my opnion about it, just went straight into a tirade about how he disagreed and he was really upset that I was even thinking about it.

basically every argument turns into how he feels about it and how upset I have made him feel and how i need to change my behavior so that he doesn?t get upset and that he?s only happy when I?m happy.

I?ve stuck it this long because of what we?ve been through with his parents, his mum had cancer for years, with all the entailing chemo, radiotherapy etc, then 3 weeks after she died we found out his Dad had cancer, he died 6 months later (Feb 2009). For a long time I?ve made excuses for DH?s behavior because his parents were ill and then obv he was grieving.

Last year things seemed finally to be good, we had about 6 months where I thought we were finally coming out of the woods, but the last 6 months have been hell. We argue every week, he says its because I don't talk to him. I?ve tried to explain I feel afraid to talk to him because he raises his voice, interrupts me, and doesn't listen. He says its all down to me, only I can change it and I?m not normal.

I could go on but think even i'd lose the will to live reading it all.

In short (and thanks if you?ve stuck with me this far) is any of the above normal? would you have put up with this thus far? Am I over-reacting? And what are the chances of things ever being better? should I just cut my losses now and run?

I?ve just turned 40, have taken a long hard look at the last 15 years and don't want the next 15 to be the same.

OP posts:
WearingFuckMeSocks · 25/04/2013 13:17

I could tell him that my GP has recommended it Grin then he won't be able to say a word against it!!

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WearingFuckMeSocks · 25/04/2013 13:25

oops x post again Blush, I meant I could tell him that my GP has recommended the Confidence building course, not that my GP has sanctioned domestic violence.

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MarianaTrench · 25/04/2013 14:15

I've just read your thread and so much sounds familiar to a relationship I had in the past, especially the extravagant gestures, but they are just part of the abuse. Getting out of it was stressful and drawn out but it was absolutely worth it and it will be for you. Remember that you and the children have got decades of happiness in front of you. Good luck!

garlicyoni · 25/04/2013 15:03

God, he's an arse.

I'd like to think you won't be there for the confidence classes - but something like that would probably be very good for you. I'm a fan of assertiveness training. More specifically, is there a Freedom Programme near you? Could do you the world of good, and you can always tell H it's a relationship skills class ... or art appreciation; who really cares what you tell him?

SnookyPooky · 25/04/2013 15:17

Socks I have just read your whole thread and have to say what an incredibly wonderful and dignified lady you are.
I left an EA and DV relationship in 1996 and it was the best thing I ever did. Truly liberating.
Please keep updating so we know all is ok.

BranchingOut · 25/04/2013 15:30

Go for the confidence building course.

ScarletWomanoftheVillage · 25/04/2013 17:17

Hi Op, just read the whole thread. The scales have been lifted from your eyes and you are now seeing exactly what is what, and are able to make your plans accordingly to leave this hideous, abusive narc.

One concern though, just want to make sure you are covering your tracks so he isn't reading all this on the computer. It was a comment earlier in the thread about the new kitchen, and the unless you are leaving me that made me wonder. But perhaps he says things like this anyway...

You said you are not very good at subterfuge. Need to hone that skill to make sure your secret plans remain secret and private.

Wishing you the very best of luck in getting away as soon as possible.

wordyBird · 25/04/2013 19:13

Just to second what Lily said: please do try a creative writing course some time. An article (or book) written by you would be a treat to read. I mean it!

Re your H's choice of words - I have a book with a 'red flag behavioural checklist' for a violent/abusive man. Last on the list is 'use of words such as killed, smashed or kicked in everyday language'. :(

You are making great progress though, Wearing - you'll soon be out of there and enjoying a better life. You sound very positive.

More power to you!

WearingFuckMeSocks · 25/04/2013 22:25

Thanks to everyone for the warm words of support and encouragement, I really need them and they made me smile today. And who knows, in a few years time the MN book of the month might be by W.F.M. Socks Grin

I'm worn out tonight, didn't get round to mentioning in earlier posts about last nights argument with H.

because I said no to sex, (mainly because I was too tired and still felt a bit shitty) I had half an hour of him telling me how unloved he felt, how I push him away, how we never have sex anymore etc etc and when we do he now feels like its a "pity shag". I pointed out that we do have sex, we often have sex 3 or 4 times a week, it's just bad timing that I've been poorly since Sunday & before that I was on my period, so no sex then either.
Ah, yes, but it's always him that initiates it, I never initiate sex!
Erm, Except those times very recently when I have, and he's knocked me back?
Ah, but that's because he feels nervous because I keep knocking him back Hmm

Excuse me, could you just move those goalposts a little to the left please? And now back to the right? And just along a bit more? And now would you just jump through these hoops for me?

Sorry for rambly post, very tired but need to vent (again)

So this morning he tried it on again, I was still a bit fed up from the pity shag comment the previous night, so said no again, so got another 10 minutes of you don't make the effort comments (not true, just not as often as he would like, but given that he's said he'd happily have sex 2 or 3 times a day I would challenge anyone to keep up with that) and then he tried it on again! I'm sorry but as foreplay techniques go that's got to be one of the worst. Then got another 20 minutes of "you don't love me, I feel remote from you" etc etc then when I got up to get kids up was accused of "walking away from the issue"

Got home tonight after seeing GP, told him doc had said I'm suffering from depression & anxiety (not that big a stretch of the truth). I put kids to bed & kept them out of his way, he was in a bad mood because something had gone wrong with the plumbing & we had no water so he was trying to fix that. And the cats' miaowing was annoying him Confused. I came back downstairs, made him a sandwich, said I was going to sit down and he said "so I suppose I'm not getting lucky tonight, then" I said " no, I'm sorry, I'm just exhausted". Cue another half hour of how I'm cold, unemotional, how he doesn't know if he cope with me being depressed again ( have had depression & anxiety before - quelle surprise) how it looks like its over, how he'll have to shut the business down, oh woe is him he's such a good bloke and he's done so much for me and been so supportive in the past when I've been depressed. For the record, no he bloody well hasn't. Once I went & got anti-depressants and he threw them on the fire and said I didn't need them, and then a couple of years ago after a particularly bad row he told me to go to the doctors and sort myself out with some pills or I'd be dumped.

He's gone up to bed, come back down after 10 minutes to have another go, gone back up, came down again for another 10 minutes and has now fecked off again. that'll be me sleeping in the spare bed then.

Sorry for long rambly post, off to bed now as I can't find the matchsticks to keep my eyes open with ...

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cjel · 25/04/2013 22:30

You really need to write more - loved goal posts line!! He really doesn't get it does he? (didn't mean that to be ironic) so glad you can now find humour in this nightmare situation. Hope you have peaceful uninterrupted sleep.xx

TheSilveryPussycat · 25/04/2013 22:32

Can't remember if I've said this before on this thread - but the miracle cure for my own depression was Divorce!

garlicyoni · 25/04/2013 22:33

something had gone wrong with the plumbing

... like some fuckwit sawing through a pipe?

Your posts are fabulous. Do keep writing them! Apart from our entertainment the cathartic value, you'll be able to look back on this litany of fuckwittery AFTER you've split and he's tugging your heart-strings.

Enjoy the spare room :) x

WearingFuckMeSocks · 25/04/2013 22:34

Oh, and Scarlet, no I don't think he's been reading this thread, but thanks for the concern.

I think that comment stems from the fact that there is couple who we know, have kids similar age to ours, who moved into a house, spent tens of thousands of pounds doing it up then they split up. Very tragically the husband committed suicide weeks later in a local park Sad

But that's another comment h has made during an argument - "if this carries on you'll find me dead in a park like X"

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WearingFuckMeSocks · 25/04/2013 22:35

Oh you lovely people you've made me smile again Smile

Nighty night xx

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cjel · 25/04/2013 22:38

nighty nightx

Jux · 25/04/2013 22:47

He is a massive Twunt. A massive entitled Twunt.

It's great you can write a post like that, with all the humour, after all his entitledness. You must be knackered after all his nagging. Bloody hell, he'll be talking about conjugal rights next.

Two days' break coming up. Hope you get a decent sleep tonight.

Fluffymonster · 25/04/2013 22:56

He sounds like a somnatic narcissist through and through - that fixation on sex. Sex is his source of 'supply' and now he's having withdrawals.

Oh yeah the threats of suicide. Emotional blackmail 101. Maybe it's a bluff, maybe it's not - but you can't stay with someone just because they might. Sorry to sound harsh, but it's their choice if they do, not your responsibility to prevent it.

It's all so predicatable too - it's like he's following the Narcissistic Abuser's Handbook. In some ways that can work to your advantage - that they really do lack originality!

Fluffymonster · 25/04/2013 23:04

predictable

JennyMackers · 25/04/2013 23:24

it is indeed all so predictable.... I said early on in this thread that he'd no doubt tell you you were cold-hearted and selfish the moment you stopped doing what he wants you to do, and here he is like a text book case, telling you that you are cold and unemotional. He feels unloved? ha! Enjoy the spare room!

JennyMackers · 25/04/2013 23:29

ps, the next time he says "you don't love me, I feel remote from you" I would just agree. (if you don't think think he'd get physically aggressive with you?).

If you go over every body's behaviour with a fine tooth comb it all gets twisted. But if he says you don't love me and you reply 'no i don't'..... that'd speed things along.

what do the others think?

OxfordBags · 26/04/2013 00:06

Christ, I feel depressed and anxious just reading his manipulative, self-obsessed, bratty whining! But OP, why are you making him a sandwich? And having sex with him several times a week, if you want to leave? I know the answer will be for an easy life, but you have a right to not make food for a grown adult capable of making sandwiches for themself, and especially to never shag him again, if you wish.

wordyBird · 26/04/2013 00:57

Oh, the whining...Drove me mad just reading it, Wearing. How you have kept your sense of humour with that kind of background noise, I don't know.

Throwing your medication on the fire made me Angry ..withholding access to medical treatment is quite a serious form of abuse.

garlicyoni · 26/04/2013 01:00

Jenny, I agree with you! I also agree with Narcissists, if I have to reply and no unwanted practical outcomes will result from agreement. Most of the time I don't need to say anything, as they're enjoying the sound of their own voice and don't really care about getting replies Wink

"you don't love me, I feel remote from you" - Oh, dear, poor you.
"if this carries on you'll find me dead in a park" - Oh, dear, poor you.
"so I suppose I'm not getting lucky tonight, then" - You're right, thank you for understanding.
"when we do it feels like a pity shag" - Does it? Oh, dear.

Grin
WearingFuckMeSocks · 26/04/2013 10:26

And so begins another day at 6.30 with another attempt at sex and another half of whining.

Then another 10 minutes of whining.

Then he slips his arms round my waist when I'm making kids breakfast and tries to be nice.

then when that doesn't work back to whining.

All the while i am not arguing back or defending anything, and he just keeps talking and talking and talking, and i intersperse with "Oh", "ok", or occasionally "yes, I can see that"

cue more accusations of being cold, unfeeling, yada yada yada

then tries cuddling again and suggest that he comes into work and we lock the door for 10 minutes so we can be alone. I say no

more whining.

he goes off for haircut, then rings me, asks how i am, i say fine and then whoosh, off we go again on the roller-coaster of self indulgent emotion, blame and crying.

He's coming in to work to "talk". I only hope I can keep my sanity.

and following that link you sent, Jenny, I have a feeling he is more histrionic than narc, but there's little to choose between them, really.

Wish me luck, peeps xx

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ScarletWomanoftheVillage · 26/04/2013 10:54

Luck Hmm

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