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Thirty years

934 replies

fuckitybollocks · 16/04/2013 06:23

My husband had an affair 5 years ago. He has not been 'in love' with me since. I have really struggled, living with the man you love who does not feel the same way is soul destroying. We have two teenage children so at least we have been together with them. He would continue like this although he is not happy. He says he does not really know what he wants. At the weekend I told him I did not want to live with someone who dies not feel the same way about me. He says he loves me but cannot remember when he was in ,I've with me. He has a neurological issue which affects his memory especially biographical memory and that really does not help.

We are currently hiding the fact that one of us sleeps on the sofa from the children. I can't do that anymore as I have hurt my back. He has not done anything about finding somewhere to live. He does not really want to I don't think. He does not have someone else now, he hasn't for a long while so would prefer us to live together, us being all of us. I think he thinks I will capitulate and he will be able to stay with us for longer.

This is so very very hard. I am crying at times, not when the children are around, he hugs me. He hates seeing me upset. He says he loves me, cares for me. When he had his girlfriend he experienced that infatuated soul mate type relationship. Of course a wife of 30 years cannot match that. He does not value that total love and loyalty that comes with time and family. He says he does not think about me and look forward to seeing me. I know he would stay if he could, he does not really want to have all the hassle if finding somewhere to live etc and he does want to be with children. I am so lonely. Being friends sleeping together (he does not want sex with me often at all) is so souk destroying. I don't blame him for not wanting me, I smell of fags and he hates that, I have always smoked but the smell of me has become really horrid for him and I understand tht. I quit for nearly three months last year and am gearing up to try again. When I didn't smoke he did not want me more though.

This situation can't continue. One child is gearing up for his gcses next month. I do not want children to see this train wreck. I feel so pathetic and selfish messing things up because it is hard living with someone who is not in love with me. Until this crisis he has not told me he loves me at all for months. Valentines day for the first time was just a card. I had chosen a present or him. Two actually although one was not delivered in time.

When he has affair I did not cope. I was very depressed and ended up unable to work. I know I will not do that this time (although am off suck fir a few days while this back pain dies down). He does not respect me, I have behaved badly and been very weal and feeble. Not now though. I am never going into that depression again. I am very unhappy but not depressed and there us a big difference. He might be depressed though. He certainly feels as though there is little point o life.

I am not sure why I am writing this. What if anything anyone can say. I just feel so alone and a bit scared.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 18/06/2013 00:52

The last time he looked at you with genuine love, without self-interest. When was that? Of course you are strong enough to cope without him!

He tries to make you doubt yourself. He falls back on the same tired old spiel. How he must love the sound of his own voice. No wonder you're tired he is trying to bore you into submission.

And by lazily using your friends as a shoulder to cry on, he conveniently ensures you are less likely to rely on them as confidantes. Don't lose heart now.

Jux · 18/06/2013 08:30

If he loved you he would be on his knees begging forgiveness, actively finding somewhere to go in order to give you space to sort your head out, appalled that he had brought you to this state of self-doubt and misery.

Not telling you what he wants, undermining you and then finishing it with a p-a "OK".

Jux · 18/06/2013 08:32

And one of the things that he really, really doesn't want you to know is that you WILL cope perfectly well without him.

AgathaF · 18/06/2013 08:40

You need to stop engaging with this type of discussion from him. He's not saying anything new or anything you've not heard before. He's just digging the knife in deeper.

Him staying will solve nothing, you would continue to live a half-life, with your self-esteem being dragged further and further down by someone who just doesn't care - not even enough to pretend to. But you know all of this. You know that him leaving is the right thing. His eleventh hour, half-hearted protestations are nothing.

I think he will continue to try to chip away at you though, so the way to make it easier on yourself, during this tough last week of him living there, and then just afterwards too, is to refuse to listen and participate in any more of this stuff.

You will flourish on your own. He probably knows that but is just too selfish to want you to know it too.

Hold on - nearly there.

crispsarenotoneofyour5aday · 18/06/2013 08:46

Oh FB - have followed the events unfolding but now re-lurking to say "courage mon brave". Others have given excellent advice and today will be difficult but you must know that you can't keep living this half life. How dare he say that he wants to stay but on the basis that you accept and appreciate that it is not because he loves you! Angry

You are worth so much more than this and his pathetic attempts to undermine you are nothing more than that - pathetic. He will hate seeing you, not only cope, but go from strength to strength. Remember, he is the one who started to journey down this road so he really shouldn't be surprised where it is taking him.

He has made it clear that he doesn't love you so it really is time to kick him to the gutter and take control of your life and happiness.

Thinking of you today - onwards and upwards!

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 18/06/2013 09:24

fuckity if you want to offload on here and say what you can't share in rl, use MN and gather your thoughts. Release some of that burden of stress.

AgathaF · 18/06/2013 09:27

There'll be a lot of us thinking of you today and this week fb. I hope that gives you a bit of extra inner strength to cope, although I know you will cope anyway as you have been doing already.

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered · 18/06/2013 10:25

fb I have to de-lurk now too, to wholeheartedly agree with the other posters.
I completely understand the need to feel that you have exhausted every avenue to try and make things work, and you have now reached that point.
You did the right thing to delay until after exams, you did the right thing by delaying from yesterday.
But today is the day to break the news, today is the day when you will take a big step forwards and from tomorrow you will start to feel the relief.
It will start small and increase gradually, but it will be there flickering among the inevitable sadness.
The sadness will slowly fade and the relief and certainty will grow, and one day you will suddenly realise that the sadness has gone and his behaviour is irrelevant.
You will go from strength to strength and build a wonderful life with your boys.
But please, you must start today.
As Agatha says, we are all thinking of you, willing you on Flowers

cjel · 18/06/2013 10:34

morning part of me thinks he is laying the ground to tell everyone he wanted to make it work and tried his hardest but you were horrid to poor little himAngry try saying We've tried,it isnt working, you have to move on the weekend. or walk away say nothing. he is being cruel and you need to not waste another week on this man.
i know you love him but what you have now is not what you love, perhaps you can rebuild with time and counselling but at the moment you have to part.
once you have told the boys it will be real and he won't be able to talk to you like this. my thoughts are with you today my lovely fb.xx

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 18/06/2013 11:06

Amen to that x

fuckitybollocks · 18/06/2013 11:08

Agreed. Also think son number three heard some of what was said last night. Husband was very cruel, so much so he apologised this morning. This is very very rare

I think I reiterated this morning that he needs to take repos biliary andnsortnout where he will live. If I am honest I am not sure what I have said. I am tied up in knots here.

I am composing an email, I think repeating that it is done in writing might make him ink. I absolutely cannot talk to him. It needs to be short and not allow further engagement. How about

Thank you for apologising this morning, I know that took a lot but it is a relief in that I sometimes feel as though I am imagining things like tone of voice etc.

I honestly feel that we have reached the end. I have absolutely had enough of waiting and hoping, and then being rejected and hurt.I intend to tell the boys tonight in preparation for you moving to your mums at the weekend while you find something closer and available.

What do you think?

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fuckitybollocks · 18/06/2013 11:12

Cjel. I think you are right, but because he wants to pretend to himself that tried and is the innocent party here.

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Jux · 18/06/2013 11:14

So much of your energy is being used up in coping with his presence in your home, the place where you should feel safe, loved and appreciated. Once he's gone, you won't need to use up your energy and resources on shoring yourself up. You'll have sooooo much time and energy to spare.

Thanks Thinking of you, holding your hand if you need it, and sat right here behind you cheering you on.

AgathaF · 18/06/2013 11:21

Thank you for apologising this morning, I know that took a lot.

I honestly feel that we have reached the end. I have absolutely had enough of waiting and hoping, and then being rejected and hurt.I intend to tell the boys tonight in preparation for you moving to your mums at the weekend while you find something closer and available. I hope that you will be there so that we can present a united front to them, to make it easier for them.

That's great but take out the bit about his apology being a relief and that you sometimes feel you are imagining things. It's not relevant to him (just to you and your feelings) and he doesn't need to be told that. Also, clarify that you would like him there when you talk to your boys, and that a united front for their benefit is the way to be - something like that above.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 18/06/2013 12:00

Exactly as Agatha suggested. Courage, fuckity, he knows he is behaving badly hence resorting to sniping.

fuckitybollocks · 18/06/2013 14:08

Done, with the removal of anything emotional. Just business.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 18/06/2013 14:17

Excellent. No room for misinterpreting a factual email.

Wellwobbly · 18/06/2013 14:19

Of course he wants to stay. Life would get most inconvenient for him if you showed your steel made him leave.

Wellwobbly · 18/06/2013 14:23

FB, he is pushing your boundaries. If he hasn't found s/where to rent, that is HIS PROBLEM.

This really has been sent to you for a reason FB. Trust in yourself, and know you can be OK on your own.

He, on the other hand, will collapse.

With collapse, might come humility and self-examination.

Stop cushioning his fall with your body! Seriously, YOU are GETTING IN THE WAY of his much needed growth.

flapinko · 18/06/2013 16:02

I am just astonished by this man's cruelty and selfishness. Poor you, no wonder you don't know which way is up. WELL DONE for sending that email. Now stay strong, PLEASE, your life is going to be so much better once you get this manipulative man out of it.

AgathaF · 18/06/2013 16:12

Well done on sending that. I'm not surprised he is still making it so dificult for you, it's what he has done all the way along.

Nearly there now.

fuckitybollocks · 18/06/2013 16:42

I do not want him to collapse.

I feel like I have been clear. I have had no answer so we shall see. Going home tonight, I am desperate to see boys and scared if seeing him. You are right. I do need space and calm. Whatever I say he says the opposite. I say go he says he wants to stay. I say stay but we need to work at it and he makes it clear we (I) are not worth it.

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AgathaF · 18/06/2013 18:26

Your life will be so much simpler and happier in time. This week is obviously crap, and I guess the next few will be a bit up and down, but in time it will be so much better for you with him messing with your mind.

I hope tonight goes as well as it can. Don't take the weight of guilt on your shoulders - this has been a long time coming, yet he has done nothing to change the course of what has been inevitable. You are doing the right thing both for you and for your boys, and even actually for your H.

fuckitybollocks · 18/06/2013 19:40

I agree it is right for him. He is cetainly not happy. Just off home now. I hope all will be calm. Keep your fingers crossed for me

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AgathaF · 18/06/2013 19:44

We're all thinking of you, and keeping fingers crossed. Good luck Flowers