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Thirty years

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fuckitybollocks · 16/04/2013 06:23

My husband had an affair 5 years ago. He has not been 'in love' with me since. I have really struggled, living with the man you love who does not feel the same way is soul destroying. We have two teenage children so at least we have been together with them. He would continue like this although he is not happy. He says he does not really know what he wants. At the weekend I told him I did not want to live with someone who dies not feel the same way about me. He says he loves me but cannot remember when he was in ,I've with me. He has a neurological issue which affects his memory especially biographical memory and that really does not help.

We are currently hiding the fact that one of us sleeps on the sofa from the children. I can't do that anymore as I have hurt my back. He has not done anything about finding somewhere to live. He does not really want to I don't think. He does not have someone else now, he hasn't for a long while so would prefer us to live together, us being all of us. I think he thinks I will capitulate and he will be able to stay with us for longer.

This is so very very hard. I am crying at times, not when the children are around, he hugs me. He hates seeing me upset. He says he loves me, cares for me. When he had his girlfriend he experienced that infatuated soul mate type relationship. Of course a wife of 30 years cannot match that. He does not value that total love and loyalty that comes with time and family. He says he does not think about me and look forward to seeing me. I know he would stay if he could, he does not really want to have all the hassle if finding somewhere to live etc and he does want to be with children. I am so lonely. Being friends sleeping together (he does not want sex with me often at all) is so souk destroying. I don't blame him for not wanting me, I smell of fags and he hates that, I have always smoked but the smell of me has become really horrid for him and I understand tht. I quit for nearly three months last year and am gearing up to try again. When I didn't smoke he did not want me more though.

This situation can't continue. One child is gearing up for his gcses next month. I do not want children to see this train wreck. I feel so pathetic and selfish messing things up because it is hard living with someone who is not in love with me. Until this crisis he has not told me he loves me at all for months. Valentines day for the first time was just a card. I had chosen a present or him. Two actually although one was not delivered in time.

When he has affair I did not cope. I was very depressed and ended up unable to work. I know I will not do that this time (although am off suck fir a few days while this back pain dies down). He does not respect me, I have behaved badly and been very weal and feeble. Not now though. I am never going into that depression again. I am very unhappy but not depressed and there us a big difference. He might be depressed though. He certainly feels as though there is little point o life.

I am not sure why I am writing this. What if anything anyone can say. I just feel so alone and a bit scared.

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AgathaF · 05/06/2013 17:41

How are you fb?

fuckitybollocks · 06/06/2013 10:13

Have been really busy at work so little achieved at all personal life wise. Found a bed, going to look at it. Is does not have mattress so need to think on that. Altogether wod prob be just over £500. A lot of money.

Last night he said we can sort 'it' out. I was too tired to respond and said nothing at all. How can we when he says he does not love me. Says he can't love me. Says he wants something better. I was physically knackered last night but u am emotionally exhausted too. Hope to get out with dog a bit later. That always helps.

How are you guys? You are so kind to hang around.

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Wellwobbly · 06/06/2013 10:38

Hi FB, new to this thread and I read the whole thing with weary, sad recognition.

What you have to get your head around, is the deal he is offering you [THERE IS NO OTHER DEAL]:

I don't love you
I will not change
I reserve the right to do whatever I want
Do not have any needs - not conversation, companionship, affection
Do not disrupt me with any distress at me not caring
However, look after my needs
Provide me with a home and housecare
Look after my children
Do all the stuff I dont want to do: paperwork, taxing the car etc.
Clean up my messes with other people.

That is your deal FB. IT WILL NEVER CHANGE, BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO (and is probably emotionally incapable of). You have got to give up this hope.

Your dilemma? Balancing out the total elimination of you as a loving, worthwhile human being vs your innate understanding that he needs you, and your fear of being alone.

There is a very good site called chump lady about what it is like being tied to a narcissist cake eater. 'Ego Kibbles', 'The unified theory of cake' and 'the humiliating dance of - Pick Me!'

AgathaF · 06/06/2013 10:55

Last night he said we can sort 'it' out you know that what he really means is that you (as a couple) can paper over the cracks so that life is comfortable and doesn't have to change for him, regardless of if it is the life you want to live.

Given his appalling behaviour over the last five years, even if he were to suddenly declare that he loves you and wants to be with you for the rest of his life, could you honestly trust him to mean it, trust him to not treat you badly, to be there for you when he should be, to cherish you and your relationship?

If he genuinely meant it, he would go anyway (as you have said that is what you want) and 'court you' from a distance. He would pull out all the stops to do what is necessary to make it work and, more importantly, to make it solid and meaningful.

He just doesn't want to have to pull his finger out, be a grown up and move out to let you get on with your life. Because he is still, even with all of this starting him in the face, a selfish and cruel man.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 06/06/2013 11:05

Good morning fuckity too little, too late from him. When he says 'sort it out' he doesn't necessarily mean to your mutual satisfaction. The whole time you pander to him the less chance you have to seize the initiative and live by yourself, for yourself or even - hold onto your hat - get with somebody who adores you.

Hello Wellwobbly that site was certainly an interesting read.

onefewernow · 06/06/2013 12:37

Wellwoby the articles on that site are bloody good.

Wellwobbly · 06/06/2013 14:23

FB remember what motivates men is LOSS.

He treats you as his mother, a security blanket. That is issue.

When we stay, we agree with the treatment. We enable him to NOT grow up.

Jux · 06/06/2013 18:04

How are you doing, fb?

He is such a selfish arse. He is really trying to play you. Stand fast. You are a great person and he doesn't deserve you.

Wellwobbly · 06/06/2013 23:18

FB he can sort it out faster in the lonliness of a bedsit.

When he is away from the home your head will become clearer, and you can make clear demands that he has to follow (counselling etc).

one incredible resource that is free, is AA - even if a person is not a drinker, although substance abuse is very common in selfish people - you can have a great relationship with a bottle. Bottles dont' have needs.

That is because the 12 steps is very very challenging to narcissists. Sumitting to a higher power? Full moral inventory? Making amends to people you have hurt?

Kryptonite to narcissists.

fuckitybollocks · 06/06/2013 23:49

I quietly reminded him he needed to find somewhere to live. He said nothing but got out his iPad. I just can't fight engage discuss anything really. Not long now.

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AgathaF · 07/06/2013 07:44

Well, he's going to have to organise a quick panic rental at the time, or stop with someone else whilst he sorts it.

He's still got his head firmly in the sand.

Will you have the opportunity to get a sols letter re legal separation, or DIY divorce stuff started next week. He is still in denial. He needs something official.

As you said, not long now.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 07/06/2013 09:36

You said back in April the capital in the house was pretty much all yours. He might 'forget' that too. It isn't a matrimonial home when the matrimonial relationship has broken down so stay apart. Until you tell the DCs you can't make a full bid to lead separate lives. Not long to go now. The day after you tell the DCs, break it to the rest of the world.

If you had time I might ring up a letting agent for the neighbourhood, ask them to flag up any possibilities.

fuckitybollocks · 07/06/2013 11:19

Have called legal people at work.

I will be reliant on his good will as regards an uneven split if matrimonial assets. Not that I would not get a higher percentage (probably) but in the ring fencing of mums money. BUT I have evidence of regular payments so using those could make it clear it was a loan not an early inheritance or gift.

Top priority now is to make copied of absolutely everything.

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Wellwobbly · 07/06/2013 12:50

FB, look at Sam Vanknin on facebook.

Letting go is SO HARD.

fuckitybollocks · 07/06/2013 20:44

He has just told me he does not love me again. Yes I asked.

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Jux · 07/06/2013 21:09

Well, it's a reminder of what a shit he is. Next time - if there is one - your follow up question could be "well, why the fuck are you still living here, then?" sorry for swearing, but he makes me very angry, the way he's messing you about.

fuckitybollocks · 07/06/2013 21:22

I just get so confused. This really hurts. Wedding anniversary two weeks today. I have not asked him what I can do to be loveable. Not this time. So tired. So sad. Wish I could find some anger again. Ten days Of pretending that is not long. I am really struggling with this. He hugs me and I melt. How the fuck can I stop? He is so cold instead to kind. But this morning he needed a cuddle. Oh bloody hell. Wonder if he is narc and I am codependent. Perhaps more of an or than both

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Jux · 07/06/2013 22:31

Oh fb, my heart goes out to you. He is really taking the micky. This morning he needs a cuddle, but he doesn't give an inch when you need one. He really is only out for himself. What a nasty nasty man.

You can see how utterly, irredeemably selfish he is.

A question: knowing how he behaves, do you really love him, or are simply you in the habit of loving him? Are you sad for what might have been and what you thought was true, or are you sad because you love him?

Dig deep for that anger. He is making no effort and still making demands on you, demands which he wouldn't have any problem refusing were you to make similar demands of him.

I think he doesn't believe for a moment that you are going to make him leave. He is perfectly happy watching you becoming more and more miserable while he is untouched. He belittles you by asking for a cuddle when he wouldn't give you one, woud he? He is enjoying his power over you. He will make you abject.

Please serve the legal stuff on him. Grab some self-esteem back.

wonderingagain · 07/06/2013 22:38

Either way fb, whether he's narc, nasty, needy, codependent, whatever, you know one thing, that it just doesn't work. It's not working out, it's uncomfortable and it shouldn't be.

The only way you will ever know what's going on is if you take time apart. You want someone to care for you, that's a basic human need, but this man can't. Try and focus on the people who do care for you.

fuckitybollocks · 08/06/2013 09:20

All those questions jux. I just don't know.

Last night I did the cool calm collected after a wobble. This morning I have done the sane and pointed out he needs to contact letting agencies before we go out this afternoon. It is a family do. Everyone going. I asked him this morning if could could back out and I would go with boys. He just said he was sorry and pulled me in for a hug. I know he is unhappy but as i keep saying. I can not live like this anymore.

I can't get as far as saying he is mean etc. I can get as far as the way he is behaving is mean. I don't know if that makes sense?

I may not be able to forever him to go as quickly as I want after the 17th but I can and will tell the boys and get him back on the sofa. Am toying with doing that now and using bones as an excuse but have done so well for son number two I don't want to ruin that now. As luck would have it the last exm is maths and can't get more important than that!

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Wellwobbly · 08/06/2013 10:27

Wonder if he is narc and I am codependent.

Wonder no more. He is, and you are.

THIS FB is the hardest thing. Accepting the truth of what he says (that he doesn't love you and isn't going to try), and letting go.

ICs do say the shock of losing their family 'could' get them to reconsider (their loss, their disrespect).

But if he doesn't, he was gone anyway.

As you know I am in the same boat (and it is so hard).

Of course he is 'unhappy'! You are changing the co dependent rules, you are stopping enabling, you are no longer prepare to endure and suffer and you are applying consequences.

DO NOT confuse this with him caring or 'being confused' - he is unhappy because life is no longer going his way and his lovely cake is about to be taken away from him.

Jux · 08/06/2013 14:16

And also because he thinks if he tells you he's unhappy you'll bend over backwards to put yourself back in your little box.

fuckitybollocks · 08/06/2013 15:08

Jux that might be it but I don't think he would knowingly be that cruel.

Wobbly please would you point me to your threads? Dud a quick search and couldn't find it.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 08/06/2013 17:20

I don't think he would knowingly be that cruel.

It takes effort to be cruel and I don't know if he has that amount of passion in him. He can push your buttons by quite simply disregarding what you say and angling for physical contact (including sex) when it suits him, otherwise flatly rebuffing you and coolly telling you he doesn't love you. Like you're just part of the furniture or domestic staff with benefits. Whilst all the time enjoying the comforts of home, meals on tap, clean laundry; he earns, I'm not saying he is a freeloader, he presumably pays into the housekeeping etc but this saves him uprooting and sorting himself out. What a prize.

Wellwobbly · 08/06/2013 17:26

It is called 'Leave the bastard'