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Really fed up with DH - mid life crisis type post - long

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BoffinMum · 04/04/2013 19:08

So, DH has a long history of being a bit of a grumpy old sod at home more often than not when it suits him, and lying in bed at every opportunity (at the weekend it's usually more or less all morning, plus at least a 2 hour nap in the afternoons, plus slipping upstairs for a bit more of a lie down at regular intervals whenever I am not looking). I have pointed out he is doing less and less with us as a family, that we have become a very stereotypically gendered household in some respects, and that he might be depressed but he replies:

  1. No he isn't, He is just tired.
  2. He works hard and commutes to London (NB I also have a full time job and commute to London, he replies his commute is half an hour longer each way and I get to work from home sometimes).
  3. He needs more sleep than me.
  4. He does some of the washing and cooks once a week or so.
  5. He earns more than me which makes his job more important to propping up the lifestyle of the family.
  6. Two weekends out of three in term time he takes the older two to the local station on a Saturday morning to get the train to school (20 minutes there and back, then he goes back to bed).

(I have posted on here in the past about the rampant hypochondria linked to the lie downs, but luckily that has now diminished to more or less tolerable proportions since encouraged by MN I told him to man up and that there was nothing wrong with him, although he did strut about in front of our Christmas day guests with a thermometer thingy in his ear at one stage, so the hypochondria has obv not gone completely).

Now he lost his dad a couple of weeks ago, and the funeral was yesterday. I have been doing all the necessary propping up and wifely support that you would expect and which is only right. However his reaction to this is like an extreme version of his normal-lying-in-bed-complaining-all-the-time-not-doing-much-with-the-family. When his mum died a few years back it was also extreme. I think it's probably not an exaggeration to say that he copped out of family life for an entire year on that occasion (I remember speaking to relatives about it for advice at the time, I was so exhausted and fed up). I had five, repeat five bereavements of my own during the same period, including one of my closest, dearest relatives, but they were more or less ignored because he was so wrapped up in himself and his own grief.

I am really worried I am facing another year or so of doing all the heavy lifting for the family emotionally and domestically while he disappears into his psychological defence cave. I am not sure I have anything left to give. Over the last year or so I have felt suffocated by his moods and needs for lie downs, absolutely suffocated, and imprisoned in the house while we wait for him to wake up/get up/get dressed/get washed and join in. It's like we are all perpetually in limbo, and when we do get out, he's such a wet weekend it's no fun any more. I struggle to do the whole thing on my own as my mobility isn't the best.

He never volunteers to take the kids to the park, play with them or anything - if I don't nag him or do it myself the 3YO would basically spend all weekend indoors more or less entertaining himself, and the older ones would just sit in their rooms. He does however run around in a complete frenzy on a Sunday evening at 9pm in an attempt to find their PE kits and get them to complete their homework, at which time we are all completely frazzled frankly.

When he is at home, DH disappears off regularly and if he's not in bed, after half an hour or so he will appear and say things like 'well, I've tidied the kids's rooms/tidied our rooms/put everything away' very proudly, when the reality is that this is a 5 minute job stretched out to 30 as I have already usually spent the morning on domestic tasks, and he is actually multi tasking in the most inefficient way possible - dabbling about doing a bit of a job here, a bit of a job there, never quite finishing anything, criticising the way I organise the house. If he runs out of these pointless domestic tasks to occupy himself, that's when he goes off to lie in bed for a bit, rather than do something with the kids.

I have tried playing his lying in bed game as well, to see what happens, but basically the kids just end up rather neglected and start fighting, and he gets even grumpier.

I am really exhausted with all this. It is not what I got married for, tbh. I have just snapped at him and told him to 'see a fucking counsellor FFS' Blush and while I apologised straight afterwards, he has now driven off in a sulk to get away from the house. I am not getting what I need emotionally from this marriage at the moment, at all.

Oh dear, what on earth do other people do in this situation?

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BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 21:07

PS I have one DD by someone else and 3 DSs with him.

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BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 21:09

Mumsy, these are exactly the accusations he aims at me, funnily enough. Don't know what to make of that.

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PicardyThird · 06/04/2013 21:14

Boffin, another one coming to say she's sad and sorry this is you (am an oldie from way back when, back in new incarnation, now mostly lurk).

I think your H clearly can't be happy, as in satisfied with his life, to live it in such a way, but I also agree with those who think he's taking the piss big time. I don't think he's completely unconscious of wrongdoing either - his sleep apps and attacks on you as high maintenance and for your PND (FFS) seem to me about him going on the offensive, iyswim.

When he says he believes he does 'half', what he means, I think, is he does the share that should in his view reasonably be expected of him. IOW, he thinks (IMO) that he is, for whatever reason, more important/worthy or requiring of rest/care/whatever than you to the extent that he thinks you should be carrying the bigger load of domestic/headspace things. It's really not a good message to be giving to your sons - I was wondering throughout the thread what they make of it and am saddened to see they have begun taking you for granted too.

pollypandemonium · 06/04/2013 21:23

I agree that it's not that you are doing too much and he is doing too little, it's the way the contract is being negotiated, as in he's choosing to do what he wants regardless.

I wonder if it's an age thing - you have dcs, it's really hard and you fight, but then it gets a bit easier and you think 'I survived that then'. As you get older the big issue creep in - poor health, bereavements, teenager - things that are less about domestic chores but things that test your commitment and ultimately your love for each other.

And then the mid-life reverting to crap habits or panicking that life's too short is thrown into the mix. I know my DP has suddenly picked up his old hobbies which I'm glad about, for him, but it seems he has simply gone backward to his single days rather than moved forward with me.

Charbon · 06/04/2013 21:26

Boffin can you give us a little more background to what's being going on recently, apart from his bereavement? Did it start getting appreciably worse even before that? Why do you think he has more recently departed from the contract you had? What could be behind that?

Offering to live apart seems like an enormous elephant has taken up occupation in your house, but everyone's skirting around it and not acknowledging it.

It sounds to me as though something fairly fundamental has shifted recently in his life and I don't think it's got anything to do with grief.

marriedinwhiteagain · 06/04/2013 21:28

Boffin and others who are sad. I am sorry. Everyone's circumstances are different and there must come a point where working at it becomes too much. Ultimately and being entirely pragmatic we are all entitled and I repeat ENTITLED to a life where happiness is possible.

Hugs all round; wish I could take some of you out for supper and lashings of wine and sympathy.

pollypandemonium · 06/04/2013 21:33

Well I've been working at it for 27 years. Keep thinking it's still the noughties and not the teenies or what ever this decade is. As I said, when we are older a whole new set of problems turns up at the door and takes us over so any thoughts of leaving renegotiation are put to one side.

BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 21:35

I am not sure, Charbon. He got a new boss a year ago who sounds pretty ghastly. The place he works in is having an institutional nervous breakdown at the moment. He is terrible with death and the thought of death since his beloved grandfather died suddenly in 1979. We are having to be incredibly careful with money as his salary and benefits have been reduced by the equivalent of about 10%. Those seem to be the main things. Plus he only got married at 39 so he had developed some entrenched single man habits by then, eg only having to clean and do washing once a fortnight. Perhaps the sheer scale and complexity of family life is a shock to him even now.

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Mumsyblouse · 06/04/2013 21:37

Boffin, how I read his accusation that you decide everything is that you have had to do that because he has abdicated responsibility for family life. There's a big difference between making a decision such as what to cook for the family tea as no-one else is doing it, and going to bed early and making you do so too.

I am also sorry you are living like this, like marriedinwhite I have seen your name over the years and I find it really sad that you are so unhappy living with such a grump. Is there anything good about the marriage? (clutching at straws) Do you make each other laugh? Is there any sparkle whatsoever? If not, and he is basically staying in bed instead of living his life, whether through depression or blood-mindedness, this is no way to live.

And his threat to withdraw even more, Mon-Fri, is a very real one- again, nothing wrong with one partner living away, my husband has done this from time to time because he simply couldn't get any work where we lived, it was never a first choice. Again, a massive difference between that and him unilaterally withdrawing literally from family life.

BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 21:37

You lot are being really ace, btw. I do appreciate you all sticking with this through more than 200 posts. xx

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BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 21:39

Yes, Mumsy, my dad had to do that sometimes as well but not because he was running away.

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BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 21:41

Sometimes he says he feels line a wage slave, which is a bit odd as I have always worked f/t as well, apart from when I was a postgrad, and I was fully funded and did hourly teaching as well, so I still paid my way.

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BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 21:43

I am feeling slightly bad because as usual he has cooked me a Saturday night steak. However we are eating it in front of the TV, which I dislike, and I have to say steak isn't my thing really.

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Charbon · 06/04/2013 21:45

I'm curious about why you're not having a conversation with him about why he yearns to opt out of your marriage for five days of the week.

BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 21:48

I did try earlier. He huffed off.

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ExcuseTypos · 06/04/2013 21:51

He sounds very unhappy

You sound very unhappy

I agree with Chardon that you need to talk. Could you say to him " we need to talk about our marriage/life and our future" and then set a time- so you are both ready and to ensure he has thought about it all, properly.

lovesherdogstoomuch · 06/04/2013 21:51

BoffinMum sorry but you have to talk. you are unhappy. sometimes i am unhappy with DH. i am always glad when i have talked it through. can you do that?

ExcuseTypos · 06/04/2013 21:51

Sorry x posted.

Ask him tonight and set a time for tomorrow sometime?

pollypandemonium · 06/04/2013 21:52

Please don't tell me you get steak every Saturday and it's not really your thing?

BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 21:57

Yes, Polly, that's what I do every Saturday. Eat a steak I don't want in front of the telly watching people murder each other. Luckily it's Swedish people murdering each other tonight which is more interesting.

I suppose we do have to talk but I don't feel going over the same territory for a third time now will help. I feel I have nothing left to say.

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pollypandemonium · 06/04/2013 22:00
This may or may not cheer you up.
ExcuseTypos · 06/04/2013 22:04

Sorry you feel so helpless.

Could you just talk about trying to make things better, by deciding you will go to counselling?

Otherwise things will just carry on and nothing will change.

lovesherdogstoomuch · 06/04/2013 22:04

BoffinMum. you sound like a lovely lady. i am thinking of you. Flowers

BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 22:06

I sense a slight desire on his part to prove himself by avoiding bed during the day, and helping in a more realistic way. Let's see how this pans out.

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BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 22:06

Polly I will watch that clip later with headphones!

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