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Really fed up with DH - mid life crisis type post - long

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BoffinMum · 04/04/2013 19:08

So, DH has a long history of being a bit of a grumpy old sod at home more often than not when it suits him, and lying in bed at every opportunity (at the weekend it's usually more or less all morning, plus at least a 2 hour nap in the afternoons, plus slipping upstairs for a bit more of a lie down at regular intervals whenever I am not looking). I have pointed out he is doing less and less with us as a family, that we have become a very stereotypically gendered household in some respects, and that he might be depressed but he replies:

  1. No he isn't, He is just tired.
  2. He works hard and commutes to London (NB I also have a full time job and commute to London, he replies his commute is half an hour longer each way and I get to work from home sometimes).
  3. He needs more sleep than me.
  4. He does some of the washing and cooks once a week or so.
  5. He earns more than me which makes his job more important to propping up the lifestyle of the family.
  6. Two weekends out of three in term time he takes the older two to the local station on a Saturday morning to get the train to school (20 minutes there and back, then he goes back to bed).

(I have posted on here in the past about the rampant hypochondria linked to the lie downs, but luckily that has now diminished to more or less tolerable proportions since encouraged by MN I told him to man up and that there was nothing wrong with him, although he did strut about in front of our Christmas day guests with a thermometer thingy in his ear at one stage, so the hypochondria has obv not gone completely).

Now he lost his dad a couple of weeks ago, and the funeral was yesterday. I have been doing all the necessary propping up and wifely support that you would expect and which is only right. However his reaction to this is like an extreme version of his normal-lying-in-bed-complaining-all-the-time-not-doing-much-with-the-family. When his mum died a few years back it was also extreme. I think it's probably not an exaggeration to say that he copped out of family life for an entire year on that occasion (I remember speaking to relatives about it for advice at the time, I was so exhausted and fed up). I had five, repeat five bereavements of my own during the same period, including one of my closest, dearest relatives, but they were more or less ignored because he was so wrapped up in himself and his own grief.

I am really worried I am facing another year or so of doing all the heavy lifting for the family emotionally and domestically while he disappears into his psychological defence cave. I am not sure I have anything left to give. Over the last year or so I have felt suffocated by his moods and needs for lie downs, absolutely suffocated, and imprisoned in the house while we wait for him to wake up/get up/get dressed/get washed and join in. It's like we are all perpetually in limbo, and when we do get out, he's such a wet weekend it's no fun any more. I struggle to do the whole thing on my own as my mobility isn't the best.

He never volunteers to take the kids to the park, play with them or anything - if I don't nag him or do it myself the 3YO would basically spend all weekend indoors more or less entertaining himself, and the older ones would just sit in their rooms. He does however run around in a complete frenzy on a Sunday evening at 9pm in an attempt to find their PE kits and get them to complete their homework, at which time we are all completely frazzled frankly.

When he is at home, DH disappears off regularly and if he's not in bed, after half an hour or so he will appear and say things like 'well, I've tidied the kids's rooms/tidied our rooms/put everything away' very proudly, when the reality is that this is a 5 minute job stretched out to 30 as I have already usually spent the morning on domestic tasks, and he is actually multi tasking in the most inefficient way possible - dabbling about doing a bit of a job here, a bit of a job there, never quite finishing anything, criticising the way I organise the house. If he runs out of these pointless domestic tasks to occupy himself, that's when he goes off to lie in bed for a bit, rather than do something with the kids.

I have tried playing his lying in bed game as well, to see what happens, but basically the kids just end up rather neglected and start fighting, and he gets even grumpier.

I am really exhausted with all this. It is not what I got married for, tbh. I have just snapped at him and told him to 'see a fucking counsellor FFS' Blush and while I apologised straight afterwards, he has now driven off in a sulk to get away from the house. I am not getting what I need emotionally from this marriage at the moment, at all.

Oh dear, what on earth do other people do in this situation?

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catsrus · 06/04/2013 18:29

This month I will have been divorced for 2yrs, my exH left for an OW after 24yrs of marriage. Reading this brings back so many memories - but not in a good way.

I now have less money (but enough) & more responsibility for the dcs - but I also have more autonomy, the freedom to live the life I want and I am grateful to him for being the one to make the decision to go. OTOH I was working this morning and driving home had the thought that it was a shame we hadn't made it work Confused.

That thought bubbled to the surface because I'd had a fab morning, the sun was finally shining, I was happy - so I remembered times we'd been happy. To be honest I don't think I would be this happy if we were still together.

I'm absolutely not saying LTB but life can be better than this - you need to decide how much energy you want to put into it and in which direction. The life you are living now is not fair on you or your dcs - or even your H really.

BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 18:42

I don't know what to think really. I think he clearly isn't happy, and I have no idea why. But I feel he has reneged on some sort of social contract we had. And that makes me unhappy.

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LadyLapsang · 06/04/2013 18:47

Well, for me letting my DH spend half the weekend in bed would not count as friendly compromise.I've just finished reading Edna O'Brien's memoir and she recounts her EXDH spending the morning in bed and getting them to bring him toast at lunch time...unfortunately she had to endure a horrible court case and separation from her children before she got divorced and care of their two boys- you wouldn't. Has he been like this since near the beginning of your relationship or is this a fairly recent development?

BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 18:56

I remember when we had just the two kids and he was finishing his MBA, I used to have to look after the kids so he could do his thesis, only he would actually get up to start work on it at 5pm. I would have been tiptoeing around the flat all day with them. He did improve when I told him off that time.

Then when we had three I remember him lying in bed on Saturdays and Sundays and talking about shifts. Again I told him off and he toned it down.

This time he has turned on me.

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Badvoc · 06/04/2013 18:59

It sounds unremittingly grim boffinmum.
I'm so sorry.
And, no, it's not how it "should" be.
Dh and I have been married for 14 years and have 2 dc.
So far this weekend dh has taken the boys for a haircut, we have taken them both to a local beauty spot for a run about and he has now taken ds2 to the park whilst I mn do the dinner dishes.
Tomorrow he is taking them swimming after lunch.
That's a pretty normal weekend for us.
He seems to have completely pulled away from being part of your family.
:(

Badvoc · 06/04/2013 19:00

What do you want and what are you currently getting from this relationship?
How is it affecting your dc?

BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 19:22

My elder sons are starting to take me for granted as well, I think. In terms of what I want, well I want to feel as though we are not in fire fighting crisis exhaustion mode a lot of the time. It's as though we are running somewhere, but never arrive. I feel like I live in limbo.

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marriedinwhiteagain · 06/04/2013 19:33

Boffin. I think teenage sons take mums for granted. My DS does, at 17; my DH does at 51. The only man I know who didn't was my dad and he left his aged 10 on kinder transport.

BTW it sounds like he does the easy stuff now and you have to put up with a 5th child.

ChasedByBees · 06/04/2013 19:36

It all sounds pretty grim Boffin and like you are not being respected or treated well at all. :(

BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 19:42

It has been a lot easier today with him up and mucking in in a more timely manner rather than cramming a weekend's chores and interactions into such limited time as we had before.

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JulieCarp · 06/04/2013 19:44

Sorry married having a penis doesnt give them some magical pass that allows them to get out of doing their fair share !

marriedinwhiteagain · 06/04/2013 19:49

Did I say it did JulieCarp?

LadyLapsang · 06/04/2013 19:50

If your sons see their father treating you with so little respect the pretty normal teenager attitude that mum is there to service them will just be exacibated. Why would they get out of bed and get on with the day in a productive fashion if they are given such a poor example or is your DH a believer in do as I say not as I do?

JulieCarp · 06/04/2013 19:53

married you stated that teenage sons generally (and your husband) take us/ you for granted - my point is that in this house having a penis doesnt mean you get to duck out of doing the chores .

BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 19:57

I have taught mine to cook, clean and do laundry but if they see their dad in bed a lot of the time it sets the wrong tone altogether.

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JulieCarp · 06/04/2013 19:59

I think generally DC will either follow the example they are given or try to compensate for the absent parent /neglectful parent in some way.

ouryve · 06/04/2013 20:10

Boffinmum, just backing up all the voices here saying that this is not how it should be.

As far as weekends are concerned, we don't do a lot as a family. DH works a 9-5 job and I'm a SAHM/carer, but when he's home from work, he pulls his weight. He will wash up, clean the bathroom, vacuum or anything, usually unasked because he can see that it needs doing, or if I do have to ask because my knees are hurting or whatever, he'll do it without the adolescent eye rolling and expectation of praise and adulation that your DH seems to want. And this is despite him being tired.

Your DH needs a kick up the arse. I hope he does agree to counselling. If he tries to be charming and manipulative with the counsellor, I'm sure that's something they'll have encountered before.

lovesherdogstoomuch · 06/04/2013 20:16

OP. i feel for you. i do think it sounds like depression. he needs to do you and himself a favour and go to the GP. sleeping all the time would drive me NUTS. i think you might have to tread carefully with the recent bereavement, but when you feel the time is right take action. it's a very difficult situation. PS: everyone else isn't having perfect weekends. you know that. take care. ")

FairPhyllis · 06/04/2013 20:17

That's not normal, is it? For husbands to resent the fact you get PND or develop physical health problems whilst having their children?

When I was posting towards the beginning of this thread, I said I didn't think this was a LTB scenario. I am now upgrading you to a priority one, LTB stat! scenario.

Lazyoldcow · 06/04/2013 20:21

he's not treating you well but TBH he sounds exhausted.

Do you each have to live this lifestyle- both ft/ jobs, kids a private schools (I assume re. weekend school) etc.

Would it help if one of you worked less?

Presumably you can afford help at home?

Lazyoldcow · 06/04/2013 20:22

ps- think about couples counselling - it's not just his problem- it's a couple's problem.

Laquitar · 06/04/2013 20:53

Hi boffin, i know you said that there is nothing wrong with his health but i would insist on a check up. Have you ruled out diabetes, thyroid, auto-immune disorders?
He also sounds like depressed and ready to escape any challenge i.e. suggesting to move out (isn't it this a symptom of depression?). Tbh what would upset me more than anything is how easy he came up with the 'solution' to move out during the week (having his cake!).

He is either a very ill man or very self-obsessed. As you have been married many years and have 5 children i would give him a chance first and i would arrange a full medical check up. If it turns out that he is healthy...well..then i would tell him he can move out all the week not only mon-fri.

Mumsyblouse · 06/04/2013 21:00

I am often really exhausted on the weekend and have an afternoon nap for a couple of hours, sometimes both days. The difference is my husband is exhausted too, and we nap together :) We taught the children to have quiet time in their rooms, or have a nap too. So, it is not about one person withdrawing as in this case, it's about all having agreed downtime.

The thing that strikes me about your post is that your husband makes decisions unilaterally. He decides to go to bed in the daytime when there is childcare to be done, he decides not to bother cooking, he decides what time you go to bed in the evening (why do you go along with this one?) There's no discussion, negotiation, a fair divvying up of the chores and jobs and childcare which has to happen when you are both working full-time.

He does sound depressed, but this is not an excuse for withdrawing from his marriage or his children.

BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 21:03

No, my kids are day pupils at a state comprehensive that happens to take boarders as well, hence the Saturday school. DS3 goes to a state nursery class.

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BoffinMum · 06/04/2013 21:07

Laquitar, I have made him have full health checks more than once, calling his bluff. Nothing wrong.

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