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Am I being a mug - supporting him when he won't support me?

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Amykins35 · 23/03/2013 16:16

Hi, it's my first time here. Haven't got anyone to discuss this with and would appreciate some perspectives. It's complicated, but will try not to make it too long though you're welcome to ask anything you feel I've missed.
DP and I have been together for 4 years. I had a 2.5 year old when we met, we now have a 14 month old together. We were planning to move in together when I was pregnant as that's when our contracts on respective properties ran out. However, some extra debts from his marriage came to light and we couldn't afford to do so. When his contract ran out he moved into a room in a friends house which he doesn't pay for. He comes to visit for tea on work nights then sleeps at his friends, on nights off (generally 3 per week) he eats and sleeps here. He doesn't pay anything towards rent, food or bills here though he does pay maintenance towards our baby - though that's partly to reduce the CSA payment for his children from his marriage I suspect. All his money (around 40k salary) is going into paying off his debts.
He says that if he's being honest it'll be at least another 1.5/2 years before he can afford to move in with us. He would then like us to have another baby. I said that I wouldn't like a baby if I couldn't stay home with them for at least the first three years (personal preference) and he said that in that case we wouldn't be able to have another one as 'his wages wouldn't be enough to support us.' At the moment I do and pay for everything and think I'm being a mug for effectively supporting him to clear his debts when he isn't willing to support me in the future. Having another child isn't essential for me but it irritates me that I have far less money than 40k p/a yet it's ok for me to support him but he wouldn't do it for me.
Also, it's gone from having a baby together in a loving committed relationship where we were moving in together to him not living with us until our child is potentially almost 3.5 years old. Not to mention the fact this isn't good for either child, it means I do absolutely everything for them. I work from home and am also studying for a degree. Next year is my final year when I'll be doing my dissertation which is obviously a huge piece of work. Another student that's doing it this year said she's been in the library 4 days per week from 10am-11pm since September and still not finished. Youngest DD is difficult at night - she will only sleep if latched on so doing my university work is proving impossible. When I told DP how much work is involved next year he said he'd 'tell his mum to get DVD player fired up to entertain DD.' I just felt like screaming at him that it isn't his mums responsibility to have our DD (never mind the fact she never has, never offered and lives 1.5 hours away) that if he lived with us then he could do what normal partners do and help with the kids at night so I can work then. He's just done some work based exams which he got to study for every night interruption free as I have the kids yet I feel I could well fail the degree which I've invested my savings in and that is essential for my future career and for me to be able to provide for the kids. Not only that but if we reach the day where he moves in then things won't get easier for me as he won't know what to do with the kids/they'll want me.
I'm aware I'm ranting now so I'll stop there! Am I wrong to be feeling utterly pissed off at the situation?

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TheCrackFox · 23/03/2013 17:27

Why doesn't he want his friends to know he doesn't live with you? He us hiding something.

Amykins35 · 23/03/2013 17:27

He doesn't hide it from them, they just assume we live together as we have a child together.
I don't need him for company, in fact I increasingly find myself happier when he isn't here. When he's here and I'm trying to brush elder DDs teeth while holding younger DD and she's moaning I get pissed off because he can't/doesn't help. If he isn't here I just get on. Then go to bed with DD rather than having to endure watching his crap on tv!

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Amykins35 · 23/03/2013 17:28

Yes I'm estranged from my family. No, that isn't down to DP before you ask!

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/03/2013 17:29

"in fact I increasingly find myself happier when he isn't here"

Surely that alone must tell you something. Hopefully the scales will fall from your eyes one day.

MajaBiene · 23/03/2013 17:29

I can just imagine, in 2 years time:

He has paid off his debts super quick thanks to you and has £40k a year to spend on himself, minus the paltry amount the CSA makes him pay for his various children.

You have failed your degree due to having no support with childcare and are back to square one, still a single parent to two children.

What happens if he decides to drop you at that point and finds another mug girlfriend to support him?

PureQuintessence · 23/03/2013 17:30

So you dont even like his company! He sounds like a shit.

expatinscotland · 23/03/2013 17:30

'in fact I increasingly find myself happier when he isn't here.'

That tells you all you need to know. So get on with it! Because he's not there, even when he's there, except when it comes time to feed at the trough for free.

He will never 'help' look after his own child. He doesn't now and he never will.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/03/2013 17:31

Amykins,

No, I didn't think this estrangement was in any way due to this man. This is also why I asked you earlier what you learnt about relationships when growing up. I daresay that you learnt an awful lot of damaging crap fron your parents and unfortunately for you (understatement) they sowed the seeds to being with this man now.

EggyFucker · 23/03/2013 17:32

When you have paid his debts off for him (which you are effectively doing) he will fuck off and impregnate some other gullible woman.

For God's sake, wake up

KaraStarbuckThrace · 23/03/2013 17:32

Then why are you with him?
He is of no use to you, his debts are nothing to do with you. So he should be paying his way.
You have had some really good advice here, I strongly suggest you listen carefully to it.

ChunkyEasterChick · 23/03/2013 17:33

pure has it spot on. If your rent would be the same with him there or elsewhere, & he contributes £0 to it, how does living with you 3-4days a wk more mean he has less money to pay off his debts?

And seriously, even after tax, he must have 30k left over, and given he pays no rent, he could have as much as 20k a yr left. That's a remaining debt of 40k minimum to pay. How much beyond his means did he live? And do you want to share that burden?

Amykins35 · 23/03/2013 17:33

He isn't dangling a carrot really though because even if he moved in tomorrow I expect I'd still do everything for a good long time, if not forever. He is more into the relationship than I am - he relies on me for everything (not just money!!) texts all day, constantly declares love etc.

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LineRunnyEgg · 23/03/2013 17:33

Sorry, OP. He acts like this because he is like this.

Listen to the advice. It's good advice. He is behaving horribly, despite the veneer of charm.

MajaBiene · 23/03/2013 17:35

My god Amy, this is really sad :(

You support him financially
You raise his child single handed
He comes round to yours for dinner/sex (?) a few times a week
You don't even enjoy having him there
Your older child isn't keen on him

This is not a good relationship for anyone but him. He has got a pretty amazing deal going though.

Amykins35 · 23/03/2013 17:35

I do like his company, I was probably being a bit harsh. I just feel like the resentment of the situation is detracting from the good bits.

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EggyFucker · 23/03/2013 17:36

Amy, do we all have him wrong ?

This thread is pretty unanimous in it's verdict...a rare thing on MN.

expatinscotland · 23/03/2013 17:37

'He isn't dangling a carrot really though because even if he moved in tomorrow I expect I'd still do everything for a good long time, if not forever. He is more into the relationship than I am - he relies on me for everything (not just money!!) texts all day, constantly declares love etc.'

And you think that's okay? You do everything. What's the point, it's already making you resentful. He isn't more into this relationship, Amy, I'm very sorry to say, most cocklodgers are very into hanging onto their free meal+shag ticket and invest heavily into staying on that gravy train as much as possible.

You'll still have to sort out childcare, but with another child making a mess in your house and another mouth to feed.

expatinscotland · 23/03/2013 17:38

And your other DD. She doesn't like him.

Amykins35 · 23/03/2013 17:39

But if he lived with us and doesn't contribute or help with kids then I'm still supporting him and doing everything except if we split he has rights to the house and kids

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Amykins35 · 23/03/2013 17:40

Baby is awake - will be back later. Do appreciate replies, thank you.

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MajaBiene · 23/03/2013 17:41

If he isn't going to help practically or financially then definitely don't let him move in with you.

Don't continue this charade of a relationship either though.

JethroTull · 23/03/2013 17:43

Amy I don't often comment on these threads but EVERYONE is saying the same thing - this man is taking the piss. If he loved you, truly loved you, he could contribute to your life without paying out lots of money. He doesn't support your vision of getting a degree. He doesn't contribute to childcare. He doesn't Want To Do any of this stuff. Get rid.

ImperialBlether · 23/03/2013 17:44

Do you think you're making this Herculean effort to justify his behaviour because otherwise you'd have to admit you've had a baby with a twat?

OP, your life would be immeasurably better if you just dumped him, got some CSA off him and paid for babysitters or a cleaner with that money.

We would ALL love to live without paying a penny for anything but most of us realise that if we do, it means other people are paying for us and that's not right for us or for them.

He brings absolutely nothing to your life. Your kids don't want to be on their own with him. You don't seem to like him. He's a user and he's making you feel guilty for spending all your money on him.

Get rid, take the children abroad and have a lovely time.

Lueji · 23/03/2013 17:47

We are not saying he should, just that his reasons are selfish and crap.

He is dangling several carrots.
The declarations of undying love, the texts, the promise of living together.
Otherwise you'd have been out a long time ago.

Wake up!

All you have to do now is text him not to bother coming back.

overmydeadbody · 23/03/2013 17:47

This is so sad.

Amy you deserve better. You do not need to stay with this man. It is not even a proper relationship.

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