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asking dh to move out tomorrow

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andthenshewasdone · 14/02/2013 21:03

we have together since we were 25, now been married 7 years. we have 3 children, 6,4 and 2 years. tomorrow morning i am going to ask him to move out (his dad is local and they are very close). it is all so sad, i really hope i am doing the best thing for all of us.

the back story is that dh has always had a very emotional approach to money, characterised by extreme anxiety and constant worry about whether we have enough etc. this has frequently meant that he goes on and on talking repetitively about 'the credit card' (which we pay off in full each month). this can literally be repeated several times a day.
i have been a sahm since having our ds, but became a childminder in jan 2012 and make a significant contribution. i have also begun babysitting for an agency in the last 3 months and this has begun to pay well too.

he is always telling me to be careful with money, watch the heating etc.

we have separate accounts, he doesn't question exactly what i spend, just that i am not overspending. the amount i received from his salary halved a couple of months after i began earning.

two years ago we had debts of about £4,000. i asked my mum to help, which she did, and we were totally debt free. this did not noticably decrease his anxiety and attendant behaviours.

this year we are in debt again-almost £4.000, this time to the kids' savings accounts. i could not see why, as between us we take home over£3,000 a month. i thought it was me (because he always says so). in december i wrote down every penny i spent. i fritter a bit, but it isn't me.

he said it is 'the bills'.

i decided last weekend that i would suggest that i took over the'bills', that is, all the extras that aren't DD. this would be mostly car stuff, plus anything that needs replacing in the house etc. i thought that if he only had to manage his own spends he might be less anxious-and the current system clearly isn't working!

i started going through all his current account statements and our cc bills, so that i could work out a budget before suggesting this.

i found that he is spending in the region of £700 a month on non family/house/car stuff. in the first 3 months of 2012 he withdrew over £1,450 in cash from his current account. he very rarely uses cash when we are together. he doesn't seem to buy anything, he rarely goes out without me ()squash once a week, which is on cc).
he smokes, and drinks several cans at home several times a week, but these show up as card payments a lot.

he was not very sorry, claims my numbers are wrong, he overspends a little on fags and booze but mostly on family stuff or bailing me out (not true).

he is angry and upset that i 'attacked' him, i am emotionally abusive etc

he keeps hugging me, asking me if i am alright, he loves me, he 'is sorry i feel hurt' but he has 'always been transparent'. he has suggested marital councilling, as he feels that i hate him.

i don't hate him. i am inshock.i feel that he is not who i thought he was. he has spent in the region of £8,500 on himself (or on something) in the last 12 months, all the time grinding me down on a daily basis about our lack of money.

he will not think i am being fair.
i just want space, to adjust, to reassess who he is, who i am, if i still can trust and love him. and to feel in control of my own money for once.

is this ok? or am i being selfish?what about the children?

my whole world has been turned upside down.

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AnyFucker · 14/02/2013 21:06

He has a problem with gambling. Dig a little deeper...you will find it.

barnsleybelle · 14/02/2013 21:11

This all sounds very worrying but please don't make any hasty decisions. Do you love him? What do you think he is spending the money on? I can understand how worried and hurt you are, he sounds on one hand quite manipulative but on the other keen to sort things. Have you considered how you will manage if you ask him to leave. I think the marriage counselling sounds a good idea. Could you sit down together with someone else there (family member, trusted friend) to look at the finances together?

TimidLivid · 14/02/2013 21:11

its not okay i was sleepwalking alst eyar thinking i had little money when i looked into it and woke up my dh was spending over 360 a month on ebay crap. he was always looking at what im spending too. my dh is also controlling with money and disguises it as anxiey. it is what it is, control. I now save up and get what i i want for the kids as im not a big spender . he si still the same but at cut right dowen on his ebay and im no longer sleepwalking and even saving or paying bills on a day he wants to wait antoerh day but i do waht i want. it can happen you assume they are takign care of everyhting but they are depending on u sleepwalking through it. u nto unreasonable, he is using the passive agressive cuddling and im so attacked thing with you so its like you are nto allowed to get mad with him, in my opinion

noisytoys · 14/02/2013 21:14

Does he have any mental health issues? It sounds like me before I was diagnosed and medicated for bipolar disorder

ThereGoesTheYear · 14/02/2013 21:23

Gambling/drugs/prostitutes? I can't see any other explanation. You're certainly not being selfish. It will allow you space to think without his whining and hugging. It also might concentrate his mind a bit and make him tell you what he's been blowing the family's money on.

andthenshewasdone · 14/02/2013 21:36

thank you all for reading all that. it felt a lot clearer once i had written it down.

i assumed gambling, maybe scratch cards/fruit machines? i asked him if it was gambling, he looked so truthful when denying it. i had absolutely no idea. so sad.

the money kills me, we have been doing without for so long, but the deal breaker for me has been the gas lighting and the mental torment.

theregoestheyear, that is what i am hoping. i will still go to counselling with him, but we can't go anywhere without him admitting to us both what the problem is. if he has an addiction he will need to sort that out-i would support him but he has to start it for himself i think.

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barnsleybelle · 14/02/2013 21:39

wise words. I have been subjected to mental abuse in the past, it's horrible and makes you question yourself. It took me 12 years to finally realise my support and standing by him was fruitless and i moved on 3 years ago. I don't regret waiting until i knew it was right to go.
Good luck x

LemonBreeland · 14/02/2013 21:41

I think asking him to move out is good. It will amke him see that you are taking this very seriously, whatvere the future may hold.

AnyFucker · 14/02/2013 21:41

counselling would be a complete waste of time if he will not tell the truth

it's not looking promising

Charlesroi · 14/02/2013 21:59

I agree with AnyFucker - it's probably gambling.

He doesn't seem to go out much so he's probably not pissing it up the wall or spending on drugs. The cash is going somewhere though and his anxiety suggests even that amount is not enough.

You can get pre-pay 'credit' cards that you top up with cash at the Post Office/shops, so maybe he could be using one to bet online? Check the computer history for betting exchanges like Betfair, poker sites like 888 and other bookies.
One other thought - could he have a secret bank account he's putting the cash into?

I hope you get to the bottom of it.

ProphetOfDoom · 14/02/2013 21:59

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whattodoo · 14/02/2013 22:05

Do you mean that money has gone out of the DCs savings accounts, or that money that should have gone in has not been transferred?

A small detail, but I think that if the former it shows a whole new level of deception.

MyHeadWasInTheSandNowNot · 14/02/2013 22:12

That's a lot of money :( but I agree with you - it's the way he's been treating you whilst doing that is the worst part of it.

You are doing the right thing for all of you. By getting him to move out (do you think he will or might he refuse?) you are showing him you wont put up with his lies and deceit and whatever he's up to, the kids are best out it. It is probably gambling. This way you are saving the roof over their heads & a lot of other things.

It's hard & you are being very brave - but remember how badly he's been treating you and the kids and stay strong.

andthenshewasdone · 14/02/2013 23:46

we agreed to pay outstanding balance on cc out of kids savings (money put in by my family). just once, for a few hundred. he took this as an okay i suppose.

it must be gambling. added to an almighty sense of entitlement.

well. i a have finished my babysitting job now, so off to bed. will be back tomorrow after the conversation.

i hope he will go. how he handles the next step will tell me more about what sort of man he is. he isn't the one i thought he was anyway.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 15/02/2013 07:55

You're doing the right thing. If you find that, as soon as he is out of the door, your bank balances suddenly start looking a lot healthier then you'll know he was lying all along. No-one just fritters through £8,500 on incidentals. Make sure he goes by making things very uncomfortable for him, packing his bag, and showing him the door .... lazy, lying, entitled types can stick faster than limpets.

whattodoo · 15/02/2013 07:57

That's so awful!

Agree that it sounds like gambling,

Good luck with the talk today. Stand your ground and make sure he knows that him leaving is to give you both chance to cone to terms with his behavior so that you can start to rebuild your family.

Letsmakecookies · 15/02/2013 08:02

It is financial abuse.

My xh did similar, the children and I we constantly told to cut costs, I bought literally no clothes for 5-6 years, never went out or did anything, was not even allowed to have my hair cut, always trying to cost cut to make him happy. All his problems were caused by my excessive spending. Turns out, he had 8 credit cards and was not adverse to taking £100 out a day for pin money, let alone internet shopping for presents for himself (he often had things delivered to work). He must have more than doubled out household & bills budget each month or more, just on treating himself. I don't know where the cash went, I probably don't want to, but probably on drink, food, snacks, treating others. This from the man who never even got me birthday presents.

The relief I feel every day since he left is huge, I have no money but can actually save and spend, and it is such a wonderful feeling to have independence and control over my own money.

It is actually not ok to live on egg shells like you are, with a man who is controlling about money, and a lying cheat when it comes to his own double standards. At the end of the say thinking he has a gambling or addiction problem, feels like a way to excuse his behaviour or make it ok, but financial abuse is just that abuse.

mummyangelcake · 15/02/2013 08:11

Please feel free to join my fb group Angel Cottage. We are primarily a group for single parents but I suspect there are some folks on there who will be able to give you some good advice in your situation xx www.facebook.com/groups/529809117051569/

andthenshewasdone · 15/02/2013 08:16

thanks again. off to take the kids to school, youngest to a friend. then the talk. be back later.

i feel stunned/sick.sad.angry/terrified.

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Ikeameatballs · 15/02/2013 19:07

Hope you got some answers today.

ImperialBlether · 15/02/2013 20:39

How did it go today, OP? I hope you're OK.

RandomMess · 15/02/2013 20:44

How awful, hope your day went as well as could be expected

andthenshewasdone · 17/02/2013 13:19

update.

he's gone.

we talked on friday, he was very respectful and agreed to my terms immediately despite initially being very shocked.

we have had a few follow up conversations since, all actually more honest and equal than i can ever remember.

he says it is drinking, and even accepts that i have been trying to discuss alcohol/money all year but he has been wilfully not listening. he accepts he has a deep seated issue and plans to seek counselling for himself first, and then organise couple counseling.

he will still give me most of his salary, and will focus on repaying kids, which i will be able to see.

so, our story is that we have separated to allow him time to sort out his demons without leaning on/hiding behind me. we hope to come back together, but i have said we are looking at a minimum of months, not just weeks.

told kids he is going to stay at grandads for a bit as grandad needs a bit of help, they not too interested just yet.

so. mixture of sad, scared, worried but also relieved and feeling a bit free. is that wrong?

oh, he said he had read some threads on mumsnet (first time ever!) about men spending and so had really got how selfish and entitled he had been.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 17/02/2013 15:27

Wrong to feel relieved and free from a man that has been lying to you as he secretly drinks his way through the family's money?.... Not at all. Glad you're thinking in terms of months before you consider reconciliation. However, don't be surprised if 'relieved and free' is not something you want to back-track on either. Good luck

Lueji · 17/02/2013 15:37

It sounds good, for now, but, seriously, don't trust him to keep it up.
Do plan as if he won't.

He may well change his tack after a few days.

Even my ex sounded reasonable in the first times of separation. Because he was hoping to come back and thought he could convince me to have him back soon.

But glad it went well so far. Months may not be enough, though.

I hope it does turn out well.