Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

asking dh to move out tomorrow

81 replies

andthenshewasdone · 14/02/2013 21:03

we have together since we were 25, now been married 7 years. we have 3 children, 6,4 and 2 years. tomorrow morning i am going to ask him to move out (his dad is local and they are very close). it is all so sad, i really hope i am doing the best thing for all of us.

the back story is that dh has always had a very emotional approach to money, characterised by extreme anxiety and constant worry about whether we have enough etc. this has frequently meant that he goes on and on talking repetitively about 'the credit card' (which we pay off in full each month). this can literally be repeated several times a day.
i have been a sahm since having our ds, but became a childminder in jan 2012 and make a significant contribution. i have also begun babysitting for an agency in the last 3 months and this has begun to pay well too.

he is always telling me to be careful with money, watch the heating etc.

we have separate accounts, he doesn't question exactly what i spend, just that i am not overspending. the amount i received from his salary halved a couple of months after i began earning.

two years ago we had debts of about £4,000. i asked my mum to help, which she did, and we were totally debt free. this did not noticably decrease his anxiety and attendant behaviours.

this year we are in debt again-almost £4.000, this time to the kids' savings accounts. i could not see why, as between us we take home over£3,000 a month. i thought it was me (because he always says so). in december i wrote down every penny i spent. i fritter a bit, but it isn't me.

he said it is 'the bills'.

i decided last weekend that i would suggest that i took over the'bills', that is, all the extras that aren't DD. this would be mostly car stuff, plus anything that needs replacing in the house etc. i thought that if he only had to manage his own spends he might be less anxious-and the current system clearly isn't working!

i started going through all his current account statements and our cc bills, so that i could work out a budget before suggesting this.

i found that he is spending in the region of £700 a month on non family/house/car stuff. in the first 3 months of 2012 he withdrew over £1,450 in cash from his current account. he very rarely uses cash when we are together. he doesn't seem to buy anything, he rarely goes out without me ()squash once a week, which is on cc).
he smokes, and drinks several cans at home several times a week, but these show up as card payments a lot.

he was not very sorry, claims my numbers are wrong, he overspends a little on fags and booze but mostly on family stuff or bailing me out (not true).

he is angry and upset that i 'attacked' him, i am emotionally abusive etc

he keeps hugging me, asking me if i am alright, he loves me, he 'is sorry i feel hurt' but he has 'always been transparent'. he has suggested marital councilling, as he feels that i hate him.

i don't hate him. i am inshock.i feel that he is not who i thought he was. he has spent in the region of £8,500 on himself (or on something) in the last 12 months, all the time grinding me down on a daily basis about our lack of money.

he will not think i am being fair.
i just want space, to adjust, to reassess who he is, who i am, if i still can trust and love him. and to feel in control of my own money for once.

is this ok? or am i being selfish?what about the children?

my whole world has been turned upside down.

OP posts:
ProphetOfDoom · 17/02/2013 19:57

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

andthenshewasdone · 17/02/2013 20:04

we have rowed about his drinking, as he has a few cans most nights. i have thought he has a problem as he has not been willing to change this. i hadn't realised how much this was costing us.

i hope it will work out, i do love him, but i am not prepared to accept him back without real evidence of actual change. look at the actions, not the words etc.

it's so scary being in this situation. mumsnet boards at least tell me i am so far from being the only one. i can do this, i keep telling myself.

so lovely having people listen to me.thank you.

OP posts:
McBalls · 17/02/2013 20:07

Do you believe it's alcohol?

I just wonder how and when he managed to drink that much money, especially as it's separate to the 'several cans several times a week' you were already aware of.

Is it feasible he could have that much of a drink problem without it affecting his work (driving?) or his general demeanour at home? Is he out/away a lot?

McBalls · 17/02/2013 20:09

Oh xposts, so the nightly drinking at home is the drinking. I thought he was confessing to 'secret' drinking.

McBalls · 17/02/2013 20:09

Too many drinkings!

BeCool · 17/02/2013 20:50

Is it just alcohol? I'm on phone sorry, but I think you said up thread that the drink costs showed up as debit card transactions? An additional £8k of alcohol is an enormous amount of secret drinking.

Smells fishy to me. I think he is possibly still concealing something from you. Cocaine? Gambling?

ProphetOfDoom · 17/02/2013 20:51

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ProphetOfDoom · 17/02/2013 20:53

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

andthenshewasdone · 17/02/2013 22:41

i hear you. not totally sure, he says that is a big problem, plus coffees, snacks, take aways etc. smoking a lot more heavily than i had thought etc.

we shall see. he has behaved so much better than i could ever have expected this weekend about all this, but only time will tell.

what exactly should i be looking out for do you think?

OP posts:
TranceDaemon · 17/02/2013 23:21

Big alarm bells over his 'explanation' here, a few cans a night does not add up to 8k a year. Gambling, drugs or prostitutes is my guess. Either way you can't trust him.

andthenshewasdone · 18/02/2013 07:36

i shall be wary.

OP posts:
Pilgit · 18/02/2013 08:14

it is possible to burn through that amount if smoking and drinking. My DF had a 40+ a day habit and at least a bottle of whisky - even if you're buying crap it's expensive. 8k is £154 a week. smoking drinking and take outs - easy to do that (only £22 per day) - if you work in london that's easy to do without drinking or smoking! It is not reasonable though to do this, just pointing out that this amount does not mean there has to be something else as well.

CabbageLeaves · 18/02/2013 08:30

OP you sound lovely caring and strong. I think you've handled this compassionately and without being a doormat

Money was always an issue in my marriage.

On separating I found out exactly what a problem. He too, looked me straight in the eye, honestly and earnestly told me things. I believed because I like to see the best in everyone and I loved him. He was also going to look after our DC, put them first and make sure they never went short.... . They didn't even get Christmas presents from him this year.

To cut long story short... It became very apparent I needed to remove my blindness to reality. His actions and words were completely at odds. I think he believed himself, which is why he could come across so truthful when it obviously didn't add up. Screwed my head up!

It is a constant source of surprise to me that despite losing a persons full time wage my finances are healthier!!! (No CM either). All my own wages. This means I'd been keeping him in a manner he'd like to become accustomed...for yrs.

BeCool · 18/02/2013 12:09

"It is a constant source of surprise to me that despite losing a persons full time wage my finances are healthier!!!"

Cabbage we've only been separated since beginning of the year but I am noticing this too. Even though Ex lived relatively modestly, he was totally rubbish with ££. I expected we would be much worse off than we are - in fact we seem to be better off. I am now suspecting that he was spending money on 'secrets' (probably drugs going from his behaviour), and was possibly even regularly taking cash from my purse (I'm not great at keeping track of that & essentially I'm trusting by nature). I'm just talking about a tenner here and there but it all adds up.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 18/02/2013 12:19

""It is a constant source of surprise to me that despite losing a persons full time wage my finances are healthier!!!"

I managed to go from finding it 'tight' to meet the mortgage payments etc on two salaries to being able to comfortably afford it on one... even though my wages were a lot lower than his. I only realised after he'd gone that I'd been covering pretty much all the household expenses single-handed for years whilst he'd been spending like a lunatic & running up huge debts which were costing him a fortune in interest. Debts which - thanks to my cynical but very sensible mum's advice - were personal to him rather than joint..... and which he therefore had to take with him. :)

CabbageLeaves · 18/02/2013 15:12

Hmmm. I'm now really wary of another relationship. Although its very 'tacky' to discuss money it's actually rather a big issue if you're the one supplying it the whole time!!!

I am trusting and never suspected he had anything other than my attitude to money. Actually, scratch trusting and replace with stupid and in denial

I'm always amazed at the threads on here which eschew that marriage means for better, for worse in a lovely little bubble of innocence. It was always worse!!! Alone= better

izzyizin · 18/02/2013 16:45

I'm continually surprised at the number of women who buy into the mindset whereby if you don't have a man in your life you're missing out, or there's something wong with you, when it's generally the case that the opposite is true.

andthenshewasdone · 19/02/2013 20:06

i think i will be much better off financially too. i am looking forward to making financial decisions alone, and getting some savings together as soon as possible.

we are doing well here at the moment, me and the 3. early days, not sure if i'm still in shock but not feeling as bad as i think i should be. totally exhausted, i think from the stress and decision making so i am just trying to take it one day at a time.

OP posts:
CabbageLeaves · 20/02/2013 08:10

Being a lone parent is hard but vs being a parent with no support and another adult to support ...its heaps better.

andthenshewasdone · 24/02/2013 15:37

well, lots of developments.

dh has spent the past week forensically analysing his accounts since january 1st this year, on the basis that he /i will remember this time. he has even done a graph and a pie chart to demonstrate percentages of family money spent.

he has thus 'evidenced' that he is not spending £700 a month on himself and i have it all wrong. he is spending £400 exclusively on himself and £300 on outings with us all/nights out with me. less scary, so all reasons given make more sense. i do feel slightly un representative as my birthday in january, but i don't want to argue.

the thing is, he thinks this means i was totally wrong, there is no basis for separation and he should come back-after i have apologised of course.

this just makes everything worse. he will never take me seriously. i still feel this is too much money spent on discretionary spending, too much on himself too, though easier to see where it has all gone.

i have apologised for suspecting addiction/deliberate taking of money. i have said i am miserable and still feel that he has mismanaged our finances while haranguing me about our poverty. he counters taht i also spend too much - 'you must spend a third of that on yourself'. he just doesn't get it.

he is also starting to talk about 'being worried ' about me and my mental health, many references to my history of depression, concern that i am having a breakdown etc. he tried to contact my friend to warn her i may be having a breakdown. i am not.

i feel confused, badgered,like a naughty child,stupid, almost frightened. i just wanted a more equal, more stable and happier marriage. i have no idea what is happening to us now.

OP posts:
ProphetOfDoom · 24/02/2013 15:45

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

CarnivorousPanda · 24/02/2013 15:53

A graph and a pie chart? And now questioning your mental health?

More to come out on this one, I feel. If he's telling you to not put heating on, but is spending £400 plus a month on himself, what is he spending it on?

Xales · 24/02/2013 15:58

Please re read your original post.

He withdrew £100s in a couple of months but rarely uses cash with you, puts the drink and fags on the card so what did he spend that on? Certainly not the time out with you and the family that he claims he has which was put on a card... So that is a lie right there. £100s he is lying to you about.

He decided to raid the kids savings accounts with out your knowledge after the first agreed payment.

He said he spent it all on bailing you out.

As soon as you could prove he didn't have to bail you out it is all your fault because he spends less than half of what he spends a month on going out with you/the family. Which doesn't still include what he withdraws in cash as he uses cards with you.

And you are to blame because you must (without any hard evidence such as he as meticulously collected on his spend) spend 1/3 the amount he does.

Only you can decide if you can live with being told you overspend when you don't and being treated like a naughty child for no reason while your H spends money as he sees fit and lies about it. He is never going to accept that what he has done is wrong so he is not going to change because as far as he can see he hasn't done anything wrong.

What is he covering with the lies?

Xales · 24/02/2013 16:00

Also what Carnivorous and Schmaltzing say.

How many people have posted on here when they think their H is playing away that they are 'crazy' and have 'issues' only to find out they were spot on.

He is passing the blame to you.

Why?

andthenshewasdone · 24/02/2013 16:08

I don't know. i think his sums are probably within the right area.

Xales, you have summed it up very well. can i live with being told i overspend when i don't, and being treated likr a naughty child. no. i won't.

i do feel somewhat gas lighted, and i am very disturbed and hurt by all this mental health stuff.

he is organising counselling for us. how do i approach this?just had first sat without my children, i don't like it so i would like to sort things out if we can.

OP posts: