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Support for those in emotionally abusive relationships:16

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foolonthehill · 27/01/2013 20:40

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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FairyFi · 31/01/2013 13:38

I want to, but it just makes me cry arth

FairyFi · 31/01/2013 13:39

I hear all these brave ladies saying similar stuff that has been levelled at them that they've knocked back, resisted, and chucked out. These seem to be stuck like glue!! right at my core Sad

FairyFi · 31/01/2013 13:40

I believed EVERYTHING really

ponygirlcurtis · 31/01/2013 13:42

Hey Fi, you ok? Is DD ok?

Leclerc, could you think up a stock answer to give him if he asks nosy questions about arrangements/your life? Like 'Oh it's fine, I've sorted it.' (Or something better than that...) He's catching you unawares deliberately be asking you stuff straight out that you wouldn't otherwise be telling him.

Breathe - am so, so sorry to hear your flat fell through. I hate the thought of you being back in the house with him after all this, I'm worried for you. Is there any way to get him out with an injunction?

Charlotte - you will not be 'sponging' in that situation, and don't let FW suggest that you would be. You'll have been through the mill at that point, you need to give yourself space and time to gather yourself. It would be entirely the wrong time to devote energy to job-hunting.

Maggie - as always, stay safe. Wish MIL hadn't, but she has now. Lawks. Be ready for anything, you deserve so much more from life than this non-existence, lovely.

FairyFi · 31/01/2013 13:49

sorry, no, probably not really, and not been able to reach DD only managed to get the school.

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FairyFi · 31/01/2013 14:14

the huge difference being, they spoke! I couldn't trust myself to speak even, I sat, struck dum, throughout the whole thing. Wonder how to go back if I cannot share any of this stuff, and just sit in pain.

Will be another 3 qtr hr ish b4 I can call DD

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MaggieMay05 · 31/01/2013 14:21

Fi huge hug for you x

Charlotte I am in same boat re benefits, I have 2 little ones under 4 yrs old. Never been on benefits in my life, always grafted so hard. I was so ashamed to be going down that route of sponging as I seen it too (prob as FW calls it that alkl the time) I spoke with Dfriend about it and she put my mind at ease, we have worked all our lives and benefits are there for us when we need it, we are not going to claim them because we are lazy spongers but because we have to as a last resort to rebuild our lives and we have paid enough into the system, time to get something back. She put my mind at rest but still feel that shame you know? Anyway, give Gingerbread a call, they are great with stuff like that and were able to give me a list/amount of money I would be able to claim and how to go about it.

Back later everyone....FW here today Sad

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foolonthehill · 31/01/2013 16:10

Angry 15 years....15 years and today I get flowers Thanks bloody FW....

just had to get that out of my system...in order to receive flowers you have to present with a divorce petition.....argh

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foolonthehill · 31/01/2013 16:12

apparently he loves me and is devoted to the ground I walk on.

but a sorry or admission of wrong doing...nah

meh....

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 31/01/2013 20:19

Sounds familiar fool. Today I have been told he will think of me when he listens to 'Beautiful' by Gordon Lightfoot, but despite numerous pleas for me to come home, I haven't had an actual apology.

My solicitor has heard from his and has a couple of things to redraft, but hopefully we are well underway. Cue FW saying theatrically, " So we could be divorced in a few weeks then, done and dusted!" followed by more tantrums over me having the audacity to ask him to pay the childminder. Demands to know how much state help I am getting. Have told him it's none of his concern.
I think the dc are okay. They, and consequently I, are seeing a lot of him and it is mainly amicable. I don't know whether a psychologist would say we are doing well as they are seeing us not at each other's throats, but I know there will be issues in the future at whatever point I meet someone else with dd.

leclerc, glad you are getting support from the church and your dm. Good on you for standing firm with FW.
Fi, how did you get on when you spoke to dd?
Fly I must have missed your post r.e the flat. Hope another one comes up. Can you get a court order to get FW out?
Maggie hope you are managing to hold your own amid all the FW behaviour.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 31/01/2013 20:35

in order to receive flowers you have to present with a divorce petition Probably inappropriate to laugh, but that is really very funny, fool.

fi, so sorry you're getting such an onslaught at the moment. Those things that hurt so much you can't mention them to anyone - that's ok. My idea (it may be a crazy one) is to write them down. As many as you can bear to. Then for each one, write a positive answer that you wish you could believe. As often as you can, say the positive thing to yourself and try to ignore the cynical, hate-filled retorts that come into your brain.

Well, something like that helped my mum out of ME (whenever she caught herself thinking something negative about her condition, she had to say "STOP", turn so that she physically had a new perspective, and say some positive thing instead). It all sounds a bit wacky, but you have absorbed HIS ideas just by hearing them often enough, so it ought to be possible the other way round, too...

CharlotteCollinsislost · 31/01/2013 20:37

Oh, and Maggie, the thing which is weird is that the state is actually being more supportive than my FW ever has been. The state is in effect saying, "Stay at home, it's the best thing for your dcs." (Whereas FW says, "Go to work, you're doing less than I am and I'm jealous.")

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 31/01/2013 20:41

YY to jealousy charlotte. I used to dread being off for the summer holidays as he used to get so arsey if it'd been warm and sunny and we'd gasp been out and had fun!

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 31/01/2013 20:42

The dc and I, I mean, if he'd been at work all day. Woe betide me if it'd been a 13hr shift for him.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 31/01/2013 20:45

Well, goodness, Matchsticks, more fool us for thinking they might want something nice for us, eh? We expect them to love us or something?! Preposterous!

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 31/01/2013 20:53

I know! I'd often go out during the day and not even tell him as it wasn't worth the hassle I'd get. My friends used to be very Hmm about it, but didn't know exactly the grief I'd get for having been 'gadding about'.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 31/01/2013 21:02

YY, and then I'd be told by FW that it's very "strange" how I don't communicate more about day-to-day life? With an implication that it's my own inadequate social skills that are to blame...

CharlotteCollinsislost · 31/01/2013 21:03

Not quite sure why there's a question mark there? Perhaps I'm turning into one of those people who always end a sentence with an upward inflection? D'you get what I'm sayin'?

(May have watched too much Miranda recently!)

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 31/01/2013 21:06

Grin Any Miranda is too much!

betterthanever · 31/01/2013 21:14

Hi ladies, I have not been on for a few days but wanted to see if you were all ok. I took a deep breath and sorted some things (as much as is possible) tried to focus on other positive things too and feel exhausted now lol but at least its a better exhausted than the anxiety one.
Sorry to hear about the flat matchsticks
Fi I really like charlottes idea of writting them down. I had a diary and I am glad as now FW is back and telling lies I can confirm to myself (as the trying to make me look mad continues) that he did say that and it says how I felt too. The writting the positive thing down too is even better - I didn't do that. But with more strength now I do see them as less hurtful now and I use that as a sign that ok I am still damaged and hurt with the new stuff but the old stuff just seems more ridiculous, I think that is a good sign - well I hope it is.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 31/01/2013 22:30

Matchsticks Shock

MaggieMay05 · 31/01/2013 22:42

Uggghh FW central here tonight...am safe...but so bored of his constent shite now...back later Hmm