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Support for those in emotionally abusive relationships:16

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foolonthehill · 27/01/2013 20:40

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 13/02/2013 16:22

When does the relief set in? I'm obviously missing it.

I feel like a huge heavy blade is slowly swinging over my head.

Dealing with the DCs okay but know that soon the pressure will be on from H and family for him to come back. His illness and his job will be the first thing brought out. Then the children. I feel sick to my stomach over it all.

Anyone else feel like their life is just not their own?

Lahti · 13/02/2013 16:26

No chance to read through as at work at the mo but.... I finally opened my own bank account today. Baby steps and all that.

MaggieOnTheSofa · 13/02/2013 16:50

Sorry not read thread...another day from hell here..FW saying I'm going to run off with kids etc etc, he has even been in loft checking if I've took anything out. I've managed to make out I'm so ill I wouldn't be able to run round the garden let alone run off with kids. This may be the reality too but I'm on stand by and ready to run if he gets angry. He's going out to watch footie later so hopefully give me some breathing space. Bloody driving licence still not found and he's back at work tomorrow, of course this is making him worse as he won't be able to produce it and he will look stupid which is all my fault-of course. Just had to log this. Thinking of you all. Sorry still not read/supported others x

FairyFi · 13/02/2013 17:23

when your DC and ur needs and wants take priority over theirs maybe Alice - I lived under that swinging blade / black cloud /actually mine was just out and out fear. The greater th distance (wood for the trees an all that).

You are handling this so well Maggie despite all the setbacks and illness. So good to hear from you. Please don't feel bad about not supporting here, you have enough on supporting yourself and keeping you all safe.

((big hugs)) and hopes for your dash soon agent Maggie! xxx

TieredConfusedMummy · 13/02/2013 17:29

Hi all, just checkingin. Been at work all day, and the boss is H's sister, so can't get on here when I'm there.

About the gaslighting, looking back, right frm the start I can now see the H did it, I remember one conversation where he said he watched porn, a few days later I mentioned it and he said tht he never said that, I didn't drop it and he then changed the story to being that if he said it, it was to try and impress me Hmm Also he didn't tell me the truth about something we used to fight over for 4 years because he was 'scared if I knew I would leave him'... it wasn't even anything bad.

Not doing anything for valentines day this year as we bought something for it a while back that was expensive. H asked if I was sure yesterday and I said yes as I really don't feel right celebrating it this year. H always does something for valentines and my birthday, but always goes on about how much it is costing. And we've never properly celebrated our wedding anniversary, for our 1st one all we did was have a picnic and then fight, hell we even had a fight on our wedding night, but according to H that is normal Hmm

As usual, with H being nice, my spaghetti head is back, where I feel torn in 2, wanting to leave, but also thinking I should give him another chance. Dreading him coming home though as he has been texting several times to say how ill he feels, then asking why I'm not replying. It's just a bleeding cold that me and DD have already had...

TieredConfusedMummy · 13/02/2013 19:04

Omg, H just told me that he was offered an interview for a job in London, but then went on to say that he doesn't think it's worth going for because of the commute etc etc but that he hadn't given the bloke an answer until we had talked about it. Fine I said, don;t go for it then, then there's no point if you don't want to. Well supposedly that's me being nasty now Hmm

Also got him just moaning and moping since he got through the door, with the tpical why aren't you being nice, your horrible etc. It drives me mad, he#s not that ill, he does this everytime he gets even slightly ill. I think that this is another indication I should leave for both our sakes, that when he gets ill there is no sympathy from me.

minkembra · 13/02/2013 19:20

nini laughing at valentines nearly as bad as xmas. FW bingo!
We had so many awful valentines days that we agreed never to do it again.
One year he drove me and the two small babies down to the shore for a valentines walk. parked the car and the carpark turned to me and said something along the lines of i don't see what is in this for me you make my life a misery blah blah on and on. certainly made for a romantic atmosphere.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 13/02/2013 20:13

FW has just got home in a foul mood for no reason - the usual 'slamming things around but not so much it would seem like throwing them' if that makes sense. Has a face like a slapped arse and even managed to be noisy putting his jeans on. Arsehole. I fucking hate him.

Good to hear from you Maggie love. Please be careful x

TieredConfusedMummy · 13/02/2013 20:51

Nini I know that feeling. H has been a fw yet again. Firstly he goes through his mental checklist of what I was supposed to be doing today, checking to see if I had done it all... One of the things was to post a letter. I didn't as I thought he had missed something out of it. About 20 mins after him learning this he then asks me why I hadn't checked with him then to see if he had not noticed it or not... So now I have to justify my f*ing thought processes...

Oh and me thinking I had got out of valentines day - no such luck.

And now he is lying in bed, and I have to have the laptop to do my work on to 'keep him company', moaning about how nasty I am, and loudly vocalising how ill he is. But he won't go to f*ing sleep as it's not 'bedtime'. Oh and now I have him being of work tomorrow to look forward to - thank god I'm out at uni, but it does mean I'll be getting a constant barrage of texts.

At least it's making me realise I really do need to leave him.

minkembra · 13/02/2013 20:57

lahti hurrah baby steps to a better life.

TisILeclerc · 13/02/2013 21:20

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BreatheandFlyAway · 13/02/2013 21:30

Hi all, Brew Wine Thanks to all of us - the commune of supportive love for Valentine's Day!

Well I think FW not turning up at court again has really made him look like an idiot to the judge. I think the judge is (whilst remaining neutral and professional) pretty sympathetic, so fw has kind of played into my hands, if I were the manipulative bitch he claims I am. Lucky for him I'm not and only want the best for kids, which doesn't include stitching him up to kingdom come.

Part of me felt so relieved not to have to deal with his black thunder pants attitude at court, but part of me felt kind of sad in a distant way that he is so completely self absorbed and out of synch with the world that he cannot be bothered to turn up to court for his family.

Then he requested we chat tonight ahead of tomorrow's mediation. Heart sinking, I agreed. So once I had settled the dcs, I went downstairs (ie to his portion of the house ATM) and said, "shall we chat now?"

But no. The footie's on. It will be over in half an hour so lucky old me will have a chance to speak with him after that. The funny thing is, I don't want to talk, I was just doing it because he wanted to!

So I will go down and chat later, after all, one of us has to be a grown up. But I will just be going through the motions, smiling politely and thinking "shut the fuck up, fuckwit" Grin - oops, not a great attitude from the downtrodden wife, is it Grin

arthriticfingers · 13/02/2013 21:34

Fly you don't have to go and talk. There is no reason at all for you to talk to him and none whatsoever to be kept waiting until after the football.
Freedom awaits you :)

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 13/02/2013 21:34

I wouldn't go down after the footie. Why should he get to dictate when you talk?! So your marriage/separation is less important than the fucking football?!! Angry

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/02/2013 21:37

Hi Leclerc so glad you had a constructive chat with dd1 Smile

Your fw sounds like mine - ie when he occasionally manages a parenting task without blowing his top or doing something crazy or violent, he is very condescending to me about how the kids listen to him.

Of course the truth is, they obey him because they desperately need his very conditional approval and because they have already learnt to avoid his meltdowns Sad.

Tonight dd was in a terrible strop, my fw had a similar condescending attitude about it, and her treatment of me etc. Then when I was later having quiet chat with her in her room and fw was saying goodnight to ds, he said something in a funny tone (actually a laugh) but it sounded like one of his over emotional, dramatic sobbing voices he employs when losing the plot.

DD went white and pointed at the door. I asked "what?", then I realised. I asked her, "did you think dad was crying again"? and she nodded in a miserable, terrified way and went to check. She was relieved when she saw he wasn't, but that little picture totally demonstrated to me how badly they're affected and how damaging he is for them.

And why they choose me to act out on - because I'm safe, I don't hit, scream (ok I shout sometimes but in a normal way IYSWIM) or lie on the floor sobbing screamingly and threatening to kill myself Shock. FW, FW, FW Angry

Sorry, ranting now.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 13/02/2013 21:40

Talk at the mediation. That's what it's there for! :o

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/02/2013 21:40

fingers and match how right you are Smile let him have his footie, that'll keep him warm at night Grin

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/02/2013 21:42

Charlotte absolutely right Grin

When we went last time, he was denying hitting his head against the wall during the big blow up. I said, "so what was the rhythmic thumping then?" and I could have sworn the mediator snorted, quickly disguised as a cough Grin

CharlotteCollinsislost · 13/02/2013 21:45

Fly - yup, he's a FW all right.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 13/02/2013 21:46

I'd bet that if you did talk to him prior to mediation it would be him trying to get you to agree to things you don't want to, so that he can make you look like a look when you think twice when at the mediation session and not under intense pressure.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 13/02/2013 21:48

*loon

TisILeclerc · 13/02/2013 21:52

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 13/02/2013 21:55

Shock I'd say so leclerc. That is unforgivable. He shouldn't be afraid to tell either of his parents anything. Poor little guy.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 13/02/2013 22:07

Absolutely, Leclerc. So Angry for your poor boy. He's not allowed any weakness or humanity because it might impinge on FW. What a fucking FW.

CharlotteCollinsislost · 13/02/2013 22:08

But, on a more proactive note, it does send a strong message to your ds if you stop contact for this. That he can trust you to keep him safe; that he can tell you things and you will listen and take him seriously.

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