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Support for those in emotionally abusive relationships:16

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foolonthehill · 27/01/2013 20:40

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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FairyFi · 13/02/2013 13:54

I think tomorrow should be then the day when we celebrate our solidarity by all holding each others hands

Wink Nini

NiniLegsInTheAir · 13/02/2013 14:00

Good idea Fi Smile

foolonthehill · 13/02/2013 14:04

Ha valentines gaslighting...every year I made NSDSTBXH (!!!!!!) a handmade card and he ranted about being above being told when and what to give his wife just because of a date on a calendar...for 14 years i got nothing, not on valentines and not any other time, until last year...flowers and a soppy card, we had been separated for 5 months, but he couldn't ignore the day because "it wouldn't be right not to acknowledge it at least" Hmm, can't wait for tomorrow...I have served the divorce petition, he is ignoring, what will land on the doormat?????

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FairyFi · 13/02/2013 14:12

Blush I don't know what gaslighting is Hmm

Interesting the fitting the situation to their need at the time fool

FairyFi · 13/02/2013 14:14

or STB maybe it ends with astard?

NiniLegsInTheAir · 13/02/2013 14:19

Will it be a horse's head Fool? Grin

My FW has always said similar, that he doesn't need a day to be told how to appreciate his wife (but doesn't do gestures at any other time of year either). I'm expecting him to get me something anyway as I'm pretty sure he can smell that I'm up to something. A YY to them fitting the situation to their need.

Gaslighting is 'false information presented with the intent of making a victim doubt his or her own memory, perception or sanity', according to my friend Wiki, Fi. Smile

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 13/02/2013 14:20

My FW asked me when Valentine's was a couple of days ago. But yesterday asked if I had heard from the solicitor. When I said I was going to sign some stuff on Friday he didn't say anything. He is working all day tomorrow so the dc won't see him, so I am hoping he has thought better of trying to give me anything. I don't think he knows my full address anyway.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 13/02/2013 14:20

Oh, and FW tried gaslighting on me last year when he hit me and then said he didn't touch me (Hmm), so it can extend to physical as well as emotional abuse.

FairyFi · 13/02/2013 14:27

Oh I realise now I am the expert, as I know all about gaslighting, oh yes - thats what it was! I use to have a fantastic memory (I realised in our years together that was merely a delusion Sad ) We hadn't had conversations, I always got dates and details wrong, the situation was never the way I'd remembered it [and his version of events was true of course, even those witnessed by relate] - mmmm, I think I've got it! Who TF has the energy for all that duplicity and contrivance?

Thanks Nini

foolonthehill · 13/02/2013 14:30

Please watch the original film Fairy Fi...where a man makes his wife appear and actually believe herself to be going mad by denying the evidence of her own eyes and ears 1944 with Ingrid Bergman and Charles Boyer.

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foolonthehill · 13/02/2013 14:32

archive.org/details/Gaslight_1940 The first 1940 version free to stream here!

1944 trailer here

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foolonthehill · 13/02/2013 14:33

You will recognise it all!!

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FairyFi · 13/02/2013 14:39

apparently...this [cognitive dissonance] sheds light on otherwise puzzling, irrational, and even destructive behavior Hmm having just chatted with your friend wiki Nini

so the term GL comes from the name of the film? fool thank you... It is a very scarey journey?! I will look it out and try to be brave I have a head full still of those confusing convo's where everything wasn't ever as it appeared to be. I am only just realising, what a liar!

He said to me (very early on in the relationship) that you understand my moods - I hadn't a bloody clue what he was on about, and when questioned, he hadn't said it Hmm Confused

MrsMorton · 13/02/2013 14:42

Do you guys think that counselling is always worth it?

The other question I have is how to tell my parents what's going on. It's so very hard, I tried to tell my mum once but she said "all marriages have their ups and downs, you might have to work hard".

Any experience?

FairyFi · 13/02/2013 14:43

I now realise that was a rare admittance of a something that I never was able to grasp! He knew right from the start. I can't get my head to believe really really absolutely that he really said that!!! mmm.. I am getting it. Are there pills one can take to clear it up, ha!

Just seen your links fool thanks

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FairyFi · 13/02/2013 14:57

I don't think I've managed to understand how to explain it myself [based on ramblings above!] MrsMorton

I spent a lifetime trying to explain my abusive childhood to members of family that will listen, with very limited success. Only NarcMs Dbro has told me I made the right choice, and a female cousin has witnessed some of the craziness when staying once (something I hadn't even noticed! just took it as my fault again), other than that, trying to explain to friends was met with blank faces. My latest tack is to say, it's most often low-grade systematic denial of your rights and expression (in different ways for us all), with a robust peppering of scarey outbursts (that he would claim I made him do). I love the expression 'death by a thousand paper cuts', and I've also said, its abuse that is difficult to understand and I'm only just starting to properly, but I found it very hard to voice, and even harder to understand or be understood.

and, no, only the right counselling/or is very very worth it. Your counsellor needs to understand EA better than you IME, and be someone you feel you can relate to very well.

FairyFi · 13/02/2013 15:04

is that promising then maybe leclerc? the someone you wanted to just take the fallout to? and yes, I was told good memory, and still am! but still doubt it.

Gaslighting will be my St.s day evening movie to celebrate Hmm Confused I think !

thatsnotmynamereally · 13/02/2013 15:05

LeClerc I hope the counselling was OK. It is a good to focus on you and what you want to do for a change.

MrsM wish I could help re: parents, I smooth everything over for mine. When I did try once to talk to my mum about how unreasonable he was, and she just said 'well you knew he was like that when you married him...' end of conversation! And she is a marriage guidance counsellor/social worker. That has made me distrust the idea of marriage counselling. Well-- that and my one and only Relate session which went something like this:

Me: H is often very cruel to me and I just don't know why he thinks it is OK to treat me like that.
Relate: Did he have a bad childhood?
Me: hmmm. Now that you mention it I suppose he did.
Relate: Maybe you could try a bit harder to see things from his point of view?
Me: OK, I'll do that.

Now that was NOT £30 or so well spent! I'm sure it was just a cr*p session but no point in going back. I'm thinking that my session with the Women's Aid counsellor will be very different....

And I pledge now that if my DD ever gets involved with someone who treats her badly I promise, now, to be right there for her and fighting her corner. I cannot believe that my mum is so hopeless TBH. I think some people are better off kept out of it.

Just to be on the safe side for tomorrow I am going to buy one of those Valentines day meal deals so it will look like I've made a bit of effort and it also sorts out dinner. I got really annoyed last year when H forgot our anniversary, as we had a friend (fishing buddy of his) staying and I'd put a bottle of proseco in the fridge, H asked why it was there and when I mentioned it was our anniversary I think that friend was really embarrassed as H said he didn't do 'hallmark card' days... friend said that he and his wife celebrate not only their anniversary but also the day they met... I could feel myself seething with jealousy and indignation!

CharlotteCollinsislost · 13/02/2013 15:11

Fly, hope it's going well. Maggie, hope you're ok. Nini - hurrah at being strong!

Went to local WA today and have signed up or as much support as there is going! Feel somewhat taken aback that there is so much support offered - for years I have struggled with everything - everything - on my own. Feeling good after that.

FW's coming home tomorrow, just for Valentine's Day.

Here's a weird thing - dd2 was crying over needing a hug from daddy this morning. She hasn't mentioned him for the 4 weeks he's been away, no problems, but one day before he returns, this. I just wonder whether she's going through some mental gymnastics to cope with the transition she'll have to make on Friday from being just with Mummy to just with Daddy on holiday?

thatsnotmynamereally · 13/02/2013 15:12

Oh sorry LeClerc must have been writing that while you were posting. 6 weeks sounds like a good time span to work through some things. Did you get referred from GP?

MrsMorton · 13/02/2013 15:15

It's support I suppose, or at least just to tell them what I'm doing... I think I might write a note to my mum this week just to say I need your support, if you're going to say I told you so then tell me now and I won't rely on you but we won't fall out over it...

Spaghetti head!!

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FairyFi · 13/02/2013 15:26

my theory FWIW charlotte is that there's an amount of time that separation feels ok for and isn't noticed, and then suddenly its been too long and they just need to see them (regardless of who what bastards they are). I take comfort from the fact that the period of separation from him can be for far longer than I. If you were away for 4 weeks for instance, v. different for them. Think it might just be a practical thing, 'now I need a hug', and good she sees no need to keep that from you. hurrah to not struggling on alone for you! sorry about lack of maternal support (esp. considering profession Shock )

luck for your efforts mrsM