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Support for those in emotionally abusive relationships:16

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foolonthehill · 27/01/2013 20:40

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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betterthanever · 03/02/2013 22:53

Nora I am sure DD2 will love the new house once all her things are there. I remember when I moved being really sad the morning I left the old house (years ago nothing to do with FW) but once I got to my new house with all my things I was fine, well more than fine,I am still here. Maybe chat about who is going to be the first person she can invite to the new house to have a sleepover?

NoraLuca · 03/02/2013 22:59

Betterthanever that's actually a really good thing to say to DD2, as H would never allow friends round to play because it would get on his nerves, and the DDs mostly see their friends at school or park. He didn't like my friends coming round either, actually.

Note to self: if ever in doubt about the wisdom of leaving H, just write about him for a couple of minutes. Wink

TheSilveryPussycat · 03/02/2013 23:15

Alice mine played Civilisation for 10 years, every day, instead of going out and earning money. I was lost in self deluded hope that I could somehow break through to the man I 'knew' him to be. And I had hurt him deeply at one time, so I thought some of the blame for our dual dysfunction was mine.

And perhaps I was partly to blame. But I acknowedged my failings, did my best to atone, and to address my failings, and I'm very glad I did. He, on the other hand, did not.

On a different note, I like buying stuff from there. But putting it all together???

TheSilveryPussycat · 03/02/2013 23:16

*there=Ikea of course

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TheSilveryPussycat · 03/02/2013 23:59

Don't bring it up, but if the question arises stick to your truth, in a short matter-of-fact way. Would be my suggestion, anyway.

Don't tell her it is gaslighting or anything like that. You know what happened in reality, you saw it with your own eyes, and felt it with your own hands.

But of course it is gaslighting...

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fiveaddwhat · 04/02/2013 09:53

Hello to all, and I hope the week has started well. I feel a bit of a fraud reading/writing on this thread as I'm not making active plans to leave the abusive relationship. (No physical abuse.)

But I feel I need to do something. FW here is always in a bad mood, but goes to the very dark side at unpredictable moments. Last night, out of blue, for example. He swears at me and says I'm mad, an idiot etc, etc, etc.

But his ploy is now to involve our sons, by telling them 1.to ignore what I'm asking them, 2.when he's swearing at me, to "see how she always antagonises me", and 3.later, that saying "shut up" "stupid" and even now "b" is "not always rude". I ask him not to involve them. He texted this am to say " I agree. We should stop bickering in front of the boys".

Is there nothing I can do except plan to leave if/when I can afford it (knowing that then my sons would be with him and his abusive behaviour for half their time)? Would it help if I saw a GP or counsellor who could perhaps then make it clear to FW that this is not "bickering" but unacceptable EA, for which he needs therapy or medication? (There is no WA here, and little recognition of EA or even physical abuse in decisions on child care when parents separate.)

Sorry. Thanks and good luck to all.

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fiveaddwhat · 04/02/2013 10:12

Hi Thanks Leclerc. I'm only across the channel, but the default here is always alternate care of children (week by week), even in cases of physical abuse (which our case isn't), so if I left, the children would get his abuse for a whole week at at time, whereas if I stay we usually manage to do our own thing most of the time, including going home to my family most holidays.

Plus I have a tiny unreliable income from occasional teaching right now, and no right to benefits, and also he'd have no obligation to support me financially, so I can't see how I could afford to leave. Not now at least.

But I do see your point.

Surely someone has come up with self-centred arse tablets by now?

MrsMorton · 04/02/2013 10:12

I'm a lurker on this thread really. Not really allowed online at home, H never ?says? anything but huffing and puffing and dirty looks. Even though I?m keeping a diary of all his controlling behaviour it still doesn?t seem enough to leave. I would really like a trial separation but I know he would go MAD and it scares me although he?s never been violent, I?m still scared of him like I?m on tenterhooks all the time, pretending to be asleep at night so I don?t get a hard time.

I know for sure if I said I wanted a trial sep he would immediately accuse me of seeing someone else which is unfair. He?s never trusted me and constantly says ?I know you?re seeing someone else? when I?m not. I would love to go and see my parents but I don?t feel like I can bcse he will think I?m staying with someone else. I want to go swimming in the evenings but the same would happen.

I?m feeling so down about it all.

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MrsMorton · 04/02/2013 10:59

I know it is, it's just that no-one would believe me if I told them I'm scared of him.

What's it giving me? Well, (roll your eyes at this!!)when he's nice, it's lovely. I get some lovely messages off him and he's loving and kind and thoughtful. Then he's a twat and it all disappears and then he's nice and...

fiveaddwhat · 04/02/2013 11:24

Dear Mrs M, I sympathise very much with your situation. Before I was stuck living here, and with children, I found my partner to be as your husband sounds - so lovely much of the time that I overlooked the awful jealous controlling behaviour. Now I wish I had taken that bad behaviour more seriously, realised that the good behaviour did not make the bad ok, and frankly just put an end to the relationship as several friends advised me to do. Good luck with your decisions, and also everybody on this thread believes you about being scared of him.

MrsMorton · 04/02/2013 12:08

fiveaddwhat thank you for your lovely message. Do you have an exit strategy?

I will go away for a day (which goes down like an eggy fart in a lift) and feel so liberated and happy and I will have some resolve and then it will start when I get back "why are you so tired? Who was all out with you then?" etc and I will retreat back into myself and my resolve will disappear.

minkembra · 04/02/2013 12:42

Ex bf used to swear at me in front of kidder. when dd repeated his swearing at someone else he told me the solution to hit her because it is all my fault there is no discipline.

In the end i persuaded the rational version of him that turns up occasionally that that was not a solution and he needed to stop swearing or at least apologise when he did so they knew it was wrong. worked a bit but then next time he was in a temper it all went out the window.

five your situation sounds tough. any family you can go back to...even for holiday while you make plans?

foolonthehill · 04/02/2013 14:09

MrsMorton your time will come, you think you can't go, you think you can't go, you look into what going means, you put some little efforts into preparing for going and then suddenly you will find you can't stay. Because you are dying inside, and death by a thousand cuts is still death.

there is no pressure here, we have all been stuck. Some of us for longer than others.

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TieredConfusedMummy · 04/02/2013 14:18

Just a quick post as I'm at work (for my sister in law, H sister).

Just need to vent that I am so tiered as I stayed up late doing uni work. Can't text my H for support as I'd get 'I told you so, you shouldn't have stayed up late, are you going to get moody now as you're so tiered'.

foolonthehill · 04/02/2013 14:23

Sorry you are tired,it happens to everyone, all the more so when we are dealing with the man-toddlers as well as work, uni etc. Keep going.

xxFool

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MrsMorton · 04/02/2013 14:47

Sympathy tiered I'm doing my masters dissertation at the moment and get snidey comments about once a week...

TieredConfusedMummy · 04/02/2013 15:38

Thank fool and morton. It's crazy isn't it, that we can't even express tierednesd without snidy remarks.

Another annoyance today - this morning I wad searching for hair grips, went upstairs and got the usual 20 questions on what I was doing and why!

NoraLuca · 04/02/2013 15:50

I'm at work too so no time to really post, but just wanted to say bonjour to Five I'm across the channel too! Will post again later but are you sure you're not entitled to any help? Have you been to see the CAF? Assuming you are in France and not Belgium / Netherlands or somewhere else...

Lahti · 04/02/2013 20:45

Hi all, I plucked up the courage to ring a counsellor today. She seemed sympathetic but I wish I had prepared 1st as I really didn't get my points across well and now I feel a bit like I am over exaggerating. She did say that I sounded like I was treading on egg shells and that it sounded like DH is default set to being rude.
Trouble is he being nice now, wonder what he wants.
Sorry I never get much time to read thru as H huffs and puffs, so I am on my phone in the bathroom.

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