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Reasons not to have an affair

252 replies

Callyfornication · 12/01/2013 22:00

Ok..... I am 23, he is 33. Ive been single for 5 months and he's married with a baby. Predictably, we work together, and we have to travel to France 1 week every 8 weeks. We went to France 2 weeks ago and on 1 night, after a lot of wine we ended up in his hotel room. Tbh I feel like it's been building up for ages and he's been the one putting the effort in buttttt he is fit and really sweet and I have enjoyed it....

Pleased to report we didn't kiss or shag but he gave it his best shot. I slurred about his marital vows and left.... I feel like a bit of an idiot for getting into that situation and can't guarantee if it happen again I wouldn't do it though, and the sexual tension is sky high. Ive spoken to a couple of mates about it who have all said they would have gone there which has made me feel a bit less guilty (but also less confident of what I'd do if theres a next time).

Advice? Could everyone tell me all the horror stories and worst cases so I don't go there....?

OP posts:
perfectstorm · 15/01/2013 16:48

When you have a baby, you are desperately vulnerable. Your body is pretty much trashed there for a while, you are usually fat and you have a weird apronny bit where your tummy used to be, plus stretchmarks in most cases. Your whole world is completely upside down and who you are and where you belong in it has changed. You are exhausted because caring for a baby is a 24/7 deal - you can't call in sick, even if you want to die, and if the baby is crying at 3 am then you have to get up and see to them, even if they've been doing it on the hour every hour for the past 24. You NEED your baby's other parent to support you and engage with you and to feel that you can, actually, manage this monumental job of actually being totally responsible for another human life. You will never be more vulnerable, or more deserving of your husband's love and support. It's a tough time. A special time, in other ways one of the most joyous, but it is tough. So tough. And to deal with an affair then? My God.

A man who decides to fuck another woman in that time is a total fuckwitting arse. Beneath contempt, tbh. Diddums isn't the centre of his wife's world? Please. Grow the fuck up. A woman who decides to go with that... well. Not exactly overflowing with empathy, is she, to do that to someone. Never mind what the mess could do to that tiny new life. And it will also potentially mean irrevocable damage to the child, should the mother suffer emotionally, because babies gain their security from their mothers, and personally I don't know how much I would have been able to offer my son if my husband had cheated on me then.

You decided not to go with that. You decided the wife and his baby deserve better. Good for you. Please accept that YOU deserve better - this man is not a prize. Unless it's a prize loser.

My husband is a genuine grownup. Our marriage was definitely not in a good way after DS arrived, because I was exhausted and so was he and sleep deprivation makes saints of nobody, but he'd never have had an affair when I was that totally vulnerable. What kind of sociopath would?

Please don't do this. Please. I agree the primary responsibility is with the man who made the vows, but come on. You're an adult. You can't get involved with someone, knowing what that could do to two other people, and knowing how horrible an act it would be, and tell yourself you bear no share of the blame. If you do this, then yes, you are also culpable. Your friends need to grow the fuck up if they are saying anything else. This is a man willing to fuck a woman over as badly as it is possible to do it - why in the world would you decide to assist him?

SundaeGirl · 15/01/2013 17:43

^One day when you grow up and have a family of your own you will understand how very very badly you and he are behaving.

OP have a little respect for yourself, he just wants to shag you. I very much doubt he'd leave his wife and baby for you. Please show some respect for his wife too. It is such a disgusting thing to even be contemplating.^

MaryPoppinsBag - did you mean to be so patronising and belittling? The OP is not behaving 'very very badly' ( presumably the double very implies you've had experience of this). The OP is behaving pretty normally. I'm not sure how old you are but think back to when you were 23 - not impossible to fancy people, go drinking and end up in their hotel rooms and be behaving pretty normally?

What you would like her to 'understand' is the different perspective of someone quite a lot older than her, but you limit your credibility by making no effort to acknowledge that she's not some kind of demon. I get that this hurts you and others on this board. However, shrieking repeatedly at different posters that they are just a 'shag' (and worse) is just what you want to believe.

FWIW, the only bloke I know in RL who had an affair while he had a young family DID fall in love and did leave for the OW.

Numberlock · 15/01/2013 17:46

I'm glad I don't live in a world where it's 'pretty normal' to sleep with married men...

SundaeGirl · 15/01/2013 17:49

That's my point Hmm - she didn't sleep with him. Do you think the OP is behaving unusually, Numberlock?

Numberlock · 15/01/2013 17:51

Yes.

badinage · 15/01/2013 17:56

When I was 23 I was to be found telling every married chancer - even the fanciable ones - to fuck the fuck off.

Which is what the OP now seems to be doing, of a fashion.

I don't really understand why anyone would be pushing an agenda that some married men fall in love and leave their wives on this thread, which is about a bloke who tried to bed a woman while she was drunk and then pestered her afterwards.

Unless of course you were/are an OW and like tales of True Love Conquers All.

Which might also just be just what you want to believe Wink

SundaeGirl · 15/01/2013 17:58

Well, sorry to disappoint you but the OP sounds above average in the moral responsibility stakes.

I'm currently a mature student and this week's gossip is as follows:

Bert has older woman fetish and after last week's pub quiz pulled a 47yo
Alice is in lurve with the batman at X club but he's got a girlfriend, she's texted him and he's coming to the party on Saturday
John is away with his wife til mid term but still texting Rachel after they snogged after exams

That's from the last 3 days! (Names changed etc) All protagonists 21-25 (older woman excepting).

Deluded to think anything else.

SundaeGirl · 15/01/2013 18:00

Badinage, I have no idea why you are winking at me. Do you assume I'm an OP just because I'm sounding off about the endless generalisations?

MidnightMasquerader · 15/01/2013 18:06

Ahem, OP when I was your age, I could've had anyone. I wouldn't've settled for someone else's virtually (to me!) middle-aged sloppy seconds.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but are pickings a wee bit slim that someone like this is even on your radar?

StuffezLaBouche · 15/01/2013 18:29

Have to say, I always find it amusing when people say "I'm glad I don't live in a world where it's normal for people to XYZ."
Er, yes you do live in that world. People you KNOW and encounter every day will be in this kind of similar situation.

I don't think the OP will be restraining herself for any greater good reasons - in fact the "meh - families can survive without dads" arguments was fairly irritating.

But OP, if you DO do anything with this man, you will most likely to become the laughing stock of your workplace. Men who act like him CANNOT keep these things to themselves.

Callyfornication · 15/01/2013 19:11

perfectstorm - your post sums up perfectly why I DIDN'T do it and DON'T plan to, and when I'm married, I'd hope my husband is like yours. If he's not though, and he wants to sleep around, I'm sure he will.

StuffezLaBouche I can assure you the only reason we weren't having sex today is because of 'the greater good.' I'm 23 and recently ended a long-term relationship; I'd like to have sex with someone fun and hot without it developing. I only restrained myself because he has a wife. Now, thanks to this thread, I'm thinking of other reasons to continue to do so.

MidnightMasquerader no, pickings aren't slim. I have plenty of other options. Hope you've kept your fantastic looks and personality.

Numberlock I don't live in a world where it's pretty normal to sleep with married men. I barely know any married men and nor do my friends. Our circles don't often mix. You'll note I DIDN'T sleep with a married man. I can assure you that in my circles (post-uni, good jobs, young and single) I am quite normal.

MaryPoppinsBag sorry, but I just want to shag him too. I don't want him to leave his wife and child. Does that mean I don't respect him or does that only apply when you're dissing women?

SundaeGirl did you see a thread yesterday where a married middle-aged woman was considering sleeping with a married man? She didn't get called a cumbucket or a slag or anywhere near these responses, and in my eyes her moral ground was much more dubious. It's sad but obvious that this forum is incredibly ageist. I think a lot of people who are violently disagreeing with you either have experience of being a cheated wife or have never had casual sex for fun, or both.

OP posts:
MidnightMasquerader · 15/01/2013 19:15

So there you go. I bet you're gorgeous.

I bet you can do way better than this bloke, even just for a roll in the hay.

It's not worth it. Honestly, it's not. It's the sort of thing you can look back on from your death bed and be proud that you didn't do. :)

StuffezLaBouche · 15/01/2013 19:25

sorry, but I just want to shag him too. I don't want him to leave his wife and child. Does that mean I don't respect him or does that only apply when you're dissing women?

Yes it does mean you don't respect him. You just want to fuck him without giving any respect to his life choices - to the people he is bound to. You don't respect him because you don't give a shit what happens were his wife to divorce him and take him for every penny he's got.

Callyfornication · 15/01/2013 19:36

MidnightMasquerader one of the first things I thought the next day was that I was glad not to have that on my conscience. Despite most posters decrying my lack of morals, I don't think it's right to sleep with a married man.

StuffezLaBouche I genuinely don't feel that's my responsibility; it's his. I appreciate your opinion.

OP posts:
StuffezLaBouche · 15/01/2013 19:41

You're right - it's not. It's his. But speaking as someone who's been on the receiving end of a cheat AND had sex with someone who was attached, (yup, willing to admit) I can say both experiences will leave you feeling empty, stupid and generally a complete twat. Pretty sure you will have sex with him, and at the start it will seem exciting, you will be so proud of your ability to "compartmentalize," you will think yourself very emotionally mature that you can "fuck without feelings."
It never, ever, ever works out well though.

SundaeGirl · 15/01/2013 19:43

The prism in which so many posters are viewing this through is a domestic vision of 30ish to 50ish women, many of whom have had their husbands do the dirty on them. They might have experience of men cheating but they've forgotten life outside. The idea that the OP will remember this on her death bed is laughable!

SundaeGirl · 15/01/2013 19:44

stuffez - it seems pretty unlikely that the OP will sleep with him, actually. She didn't after a bucketful of booze and has just confirmed she's not planning to.

Dozer · 15/01/2013 19:49
Hmm
StuffezLaBouche · 15/01/2013 19:50

I'm not in that prism, SundaeGirl and I think she will. As she said above - "I just want to shag him." You sound like you have a lot of experience (not personally necessarily, but in people you know!) in drunken shagging and the possibilities of cheating.

Is it not possible the OP is saying she won't but might when presented with equal quantities of alcohol and time/opportunity? I don't mind admitting I've had sex with someone I didn't intend to when blurred by booze!

HecateWhoopass · 15/01/2013 19:56

don't be naive enough to think you're the first one he's gone after.

Judging by how he went after you when you were drunk and the fact that he has now started with the texts etc to follow up - In all likelihood, he sniffs round anyone he thinks will give him some.

That's a good reason to not sleep with someone, imo.

A lying, cheating person who thinks it's ok to look one person in the eye and declare their love while trying to get their rocks off with someone else. Can you respect such a person? Can you have sex with someone you have contempt for?

perfectstorm · 15/01/2013 20:03

OP, again, good for you. It is hard, when you're very attracted to someone, you're not the one who made vows, and he's all over you. Honestly, though, sounds like you are also dodging a bullet. Affairs can happen to anyone (I've been lucky, and so far neither of us have, but you can never predict the future) but I do think men who cheat when there is a baby in the house are particularly pathetic.

SundaeGirl, I never cheated on anyone. I always worked on the basis that it was done to me when I was late teens and early twenties and it hurt very badly. Why help someone do that to another person? And actually, the only people I knew to have affairs were either arseholes, or very insecure and vulnerable. Decent and sane people tended to steer clear, because life is too short for that sort of drama. Not everyone's life experiences will mirror your own, and that of your social circle, shocking though that concept is to you. It's ironic that you are smugly congratulating yourself on how open and honest you are, when you are actually blind to the fact you're as much part of a grouping as we all are.

MidnightMasquerader · 15/01/2013 20:10

"The idea that the OP will remember this on her death bed is laughable!"

Well, it's obviously not laughable to Cally, given her most recent post. And she's the main one who matters on this thread. Wink

SundaeGirl · 15/01/2013 20:13

Cally - I can't find the thread you've mentioned - can you link?

PErfectS - I've looked back through my posts and genuinely can't see anything smug or congratulatory, or anything that implies I think my social group will be indicative of every type of person?

Callyfornication · 15/01/2013 20:20

SundaeGirl here y'are www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1658911-should-I-have-an-affair

OP posts:
badinage · 15/01/2013 20:23

Oh what bollocks....

The only 'prism' I'm looking through is the one that relates to the thread about an older married bloke with a baby trying to pester a drunken younger colleague for a shag in company paid-for accommodation.

Not through the 'prism' of some men fall in love and leave their wives which although I fully agree, has got nothing to do with this thread. The OP has confirmed that she wouldn't want that anyway and there was no reason to think she would!

Not through the 'prism' of a cheated wife either or of someone who hasn't enjoyed casual sex in her twenties.

As for comparing responses between threads, I didn't post on the thread mentioned but it's really tiresome when this allegation is made. It's only a valid comparison if:

  1. exactly the same posters have been on both threads and no others and
  2. if the OPs are exactly the same people.

Posters' responses vary greatly according to the language and demeanour of the OP and no Mumsnet thread will ever be the same because each thread will have different people responding.

OP I hope you'll stick to your guns and I'm really glad you think it would be wrong to shag a married man. But apart from all that, the main point for me in this thread is that even if he'd been single, consent would have been dubious because you were drunk. The fact that he's married with a baby at home and you're presumably a junior colleague, just adds to his sleaziness.

I don't suppose there's only one poster on this thread who mixes with people in their twenties (either their kids, their nieces/nephews, at college/uni, their colleagues or their students) and therefore suspect many of us can say with equal confidence that not all 33 year-olds are sleazebags and not every 23-year old will shag a married colleague without a second thought. Those 'generalisations' are absurd.