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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - Are Going To Need A Bigger Bus!

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Mouseface · 08/01/2013 11:59

Hello, tis me, Mouse Smile

Welcome to the Brave Babes Battle Bus, it's a place of solace, support and sanctuary, but also it's also a Bus full of chatterboxes, waffling on about all sorts!

Our aim this year is to kick the WineWitch or WW into touch and get sober!

Some of the Babes on board are doing Dry January, some drink in moderation, some just drink. Some of us are sober, some of us are trying so very, very hard to be.

Some of us have been dry for days, weeks, months and some of us years...... some of us are just starting out and are scared of what stopping drinking means. It's not forever, it's just for today if that's what you want.

We have a saying on the Bus One Day At A Time. Or ODAAT Smile

Take each moment, each day and each blip as it comes.

Although some Babes have been here a while and kind of 'know' each other, we all have different lives, different roles to play, different places to sit on the Bus, but we ALL have or have had abusive relationships with alcohol and we're here because we want that to change; for the better.

EVERYONE IS WELCOME HERE so don't be afraid to just jump right in and say hello. Post as much or as little as you like! It's all up to you.

For those who want to catch up - here is the PREVIOUS THREAD

And the first ever thread, with links to the others over the last almost 3 years! FIRST THREAD

OP posts:
fragrantphoenixinwaiting · 18/01/2013 22:32

what am i doing wrong? i nearly finished IMHO a great post and it suddenly went back to the previous menu.is there a time limit?

i'll try again but going to bed now

let's whup her ass tonight and anyone who who can't we'll do it for you. you can start again tomorrow.

Love babes X

curryeater · 18/01/2013 22:55

Gosh! stern stuff on this thread.
I'm in bed, the ww can't follow me here. I'm going to be on good form tomorrow morning for tabogganing.
Hope you are all well tomorrow for the weekend too. Good night

NewYearNewMia · 18/01/2013 23:17

Well, after writing my smug motivational post, I think someone must have made a wax dolly of me and stuck pins in it, because all my boing evaporated with a thud! Grin Was it you Barry? I was only joking about putting you in the pot...

Bit of a shitty early evening, feeling really irritable and achey and losing the plot a bit with DD because she was faffing and arguing about going to bed. Then felt guilty about snapping at her and not giving her a restful bedtime. Sad had a couple of glasses of red but was feeling so tightly strung and angry that I thought 'what's the point in drinking this - it's not making me feel any better' and gave the rest of my glass to DP, who finished the bottle. That in itself is a bit of a miracle, tbh; before I would have carried on drinking. I had a close call later when I really really fancied a tot of sloe gin that's just about ready (haven't tasted it yet), but resisted the temptation and had some ice cream instead. Shit for the diet but better for my liver and head. I feel incredibly premenstrual and sore, but I don't think I'm due for another week at least. Confused

I've realised that I'm at my absolute worst in the late afternoon - tired, irritable and just want to be left alone. That's when I'm most vulnerable to wanting a drink, but if I give in then, I'm ruining the following day and I don't get the boing, and feel even worse the next afternoon. At least now I'm realising that that is how I am, rather than it just being that I'm desperate for wine. Hmm I've got to find other coping mechanisms for that period of the day, as it's when I'm most liable to snap at DD, especially as it's when she's most needy and challenging.

Phoenix glad you like the egg fried rice recipe. Spicy fish sounds lovely with it!

Joey I was quite confused about why my squid are white... although they are white, of course, I just wasn't sure of the reason! Grin I cook the squid in a puttanesca sauce, traditionally eaten as spaghetti puttanesca, a Napolitean recipe that translates as whores' spaghetti - it was a favourite of Naples working girls, apparently. Wink

Mouse I'd accepted that I'll have to be on ADs for good, but I've had a little glimmer these past few weeks that maybe I could wean myself off them. You really made me laugh with the wobbling comment hot on the heels of the norkage discussion! Grin I definitely wobble, unfortunately, even when feeling emotionally stable. Wink

Koala I'm glad you're feeling the boing too! Sorry to hear about your dressnot fitting yet. I bet it's just not the right cut for you.

Gugg now that's a challenge to think of some veggie recipes, as we are quite carnivorous. The butternut squash bake is lovely, and the puttanesca sauce is a vegetarian one if you don't add anchovies. It's onion, garlic, capers, olives, crushed fennel seeds and tinned tomatoes. I add a smidgen of chilli flakes and plenty of black pepper. I quite often make a very quick and simple tomato sauce for pasta too, just slice and gently fry an onion and garlic, then add a tin of chopped tomatoes (I always put a slug of red wine in Blush) and some thyme/rosemary/ whatever you fancy, and simmer it vigorously for ten mins or so, uncovered so it reduces a bit. Meanwhile, you cook the pasta. take the sauce off the heat while you drain the pasta, then just before serving, add an egg yolk to the sauce, stirring it very fast so it doesn't cook or curdle. It thickens the sauce and gives it a lovely creamy texture. It's a plain and easy sauce but the egg yolk really makes a difference. I can pm/post the recipe for the farro risotto if you like - it's lovely with mushrooms.

Koti Grin at 'motivational slapper' and 'fuck 'em in the ear'!

God I'm glad I've got a DD - I think I'd rather find a buzzing bullet than a wank sock... Hmm Grin

Sorry not to namecheck anyone else. Am knackered and drained so off to sleep for me now. Night Babes xx

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PurpleWolfe · 19/01/2013 07:58

Morning all! 8 hours sleep = Boing! I think my sleep pattern has settled down, at last. I've never been a good sleeper but I seem to be getting back to a more settled night. (Oh, yes, and another 1lb gone so that makes half a stone since my new 'Day 1! 10 days ago. Ma can you put that in the Boot Camp book please?)

Fragrant Similar has happened to me, it's bloomin' annoying, isn't it! If you are writing a lot, it's an idea to highlight what you've written at regular intervals and 'copy' so even if it does go tits up, you can 'paste' at least some of your valuable words. Wink

Mouse That was a bit shitty of DH? He wasn't just being dense, was he? If not, shame on him that DD realised it was a bit odd. How's your back today? Enjoy your Spa today! You bloody deserve it so go, relax and let other people take care of 'life' for a change - you take care of YOU! x

Mia Sorry you had a difficult evening. When stuff like that happens to us, we blame the Smug Fariy! She waits until you are feeling a bit pleased with yourself and tell people - like, MY babies sleeping through, MY car's not broken down for ages, Oh, MY house doesn't have a number - it has a name (to my shame, my worst!) - and then she smacks you, right between the eyes, with her Smug Wand! Well done for holding off on the wine, you did great! That showed strength and to understand that you weren't even enjoying it is huge! Bet you feel much better about things this morning. I've got to find other coping mechanisms for that period of the day, as it's when I'm most liable to snap at DD, especially as it's when she's most needy and challenging. I'm with you there, if you find something that helps, let me know?!

Well done East. It's great that you recognise what you would have done if you had started drinking - so decided not to. Two of my best buys from a charity shop = a Christian Lacroix evening dress for £7.50! And a pair of fab Diesel jeans for £4.00 - which, when I got them home discovered, had a £20.00 note in the pocket!

Thanks Guggs I so rarely spend money on myself (except for copious amounts of wine that didn't seem, at the time, to count Blush) that, when I do, I instantly feel guilty! I'm over it now. Wink

LRD How did the evening go? Hope you had a fab time. Did you manage to be alcohol free?

Koala It's winter and fecking freezing - you are fine in your baggy jumpers for a bit longer. Keep on keeping on and, by spring, you can peel yourself out of your baggy stuff and reveal your fab new figure - bit like a butterfly coming out of a chrysalis! This weight loss thing is better if you lose it slowly and steadily - it stays off then. Wink

How's it going Koti? Enjoy your lazy weekend Sweetpea. x Joey and Baby what are you up to this weekend? I'm not even going to put my nose out of the door, if Ican help it. Grin

Green Hope your stomach is OK this morning and that you got some sleep? x

Right, off to make a coffee (in total peace) and settle down to some essential shit TV! Grin

PurpleWolfe · 19/01/2013 08:31

Clutter Where have you gone? x

NewYearNewMia · 19/01/2013 08:52

Thanks Purple you're completely right about the smug fairy, she gave me a good old kick up the arse! Grin I was trying to boost myself because my boing was slipping yesterday afternoon anyway. It's my hormones making me a bit hair-trigger, I think.

Yes mouse I missed that about your DH - WTF is that all about??? I presume he does realise that if he doesn't treat you in exemplary fashion, he's going to have a bus full of very angry babes on his doorstep, armed with a (s)oiled squid? We shall let Ma kidnap him and treat him very roughly indeed. Wink

Well I have a challenge looming tonight. We were supposed to go to MIL's today, which was going to prove interesting because I usually drink a lot when we're there. I was feeling confident about just having a couple of glasses though. However we aren't going due to the snow, and instead, DP has invited his work colleague for dinner as it's his birthday and he can't get home because of the snow (he lives in a fairly remote rural area). All fine and good, but normally that would mean me drinking a skinful - not getting plastered but certainly more than the couple of glasses I've been having recently on weekend nights. I find it really hard if I'm in company and chatting, not to drink quite a lot. Also, he'll be arriving late afternoon- my classic danger time. I've said I'll make a cake too, so there goes Monday's weigh in! Sad

I'm feeling a bit helpless and not quite ready to do evening socialising.

PurpleWolfe · 19/01/2013 09:20

Mia Sod the Smug Fairy, don't forget how brilliant you have done! Hormones play havoc with us and our emotions and DDs would try the patience of Mother Teresa! Company arriving late afternoon = trigger? Yes, with you on that one too. Do you have to be in when he first arrives? Perhaps you could 'nip' to the shops (with the excuse you've forgotten something for dinner), or swimming or anything? Other than that, maybe try to have a huge drink of something fizzy. This might take the edge of your craving, make you feel slightly bloaty full and less likely to drink too much/any alcohol? As for the cake - can you make one you are not very fond of, if there is one?

Good luck. Pop on here and post if it gets too bad. xxxxx

guggenheim · 19/01/2013 09:37

Morning lovely babes,

mia you are an amazing cook! I have no idea how people know how to cook, seems like magic to me. Yes please, I'd love those recipes and to say hi : )
I can't cope with the ww unless I eat something savoury between 4/5 ish. Eating some cheese, crackers & fruit literally makes the difference between having horrible cravings (tho they are reduced now) or just not being bothered about the ww. I'm have pmt too and deffo harder to resist when I feel tired.
Hmm tonight sounds hard... do you want to have a drink because you fancy it or because your dh and friend expect you to? This may not make sense ds is running around and pushing random toys into my pockets.

phoenix I'm not sure what's happening but I'd love to read your post. as for the bullet v wank socks, I'd just settle for ds being fully potty trained. I'm beginning to feel that it just won't happen. What's worse pooy pants or wank socks in drawers? Smile

mouse i'm so pleased that you are having a break. Enjoy every minute you really deserve a break. Ignore dh, sounds like a big sulk to me.

purple I never buy nice things for me. When I have money it goes on ds or bills or wine. But I realised that ds has zero interest in clothes and I've saved about 50 quid so far from staying off the wine. I'm broke but today I'm going to buy some nice bubble bath for me and I have a wish list for if I manage to stay booze free for 1 month, 2 months etc. Keep your fingers crossed for me please! (I'll do the same for you)

koala Well done for staying af and for losing weight. how's the decorating going? Much easier to manage life when your (I'm) not cronically hungover all the time.

holly Well done Smile
Right, i'll stop hogging the thread I'm off into town now for said bubbles. x

NewYearNewMia · 19/01/2013 09:43

Aw thanks Purple (((x))) you've hit the nail on the head. I'm going to plan ahead and try damage limitation - drinking lots of water during the evening, having a snack later in the afternoon so I'm not too hungry/grumpy/prone to gulping the wine down. Try to not stuff myself with food too. DP was going to do a really delicious but very calorific meal, but we've decided on something equally (almost) delicious and not so naughty.

I cake that I'm not very fond of... nope, I'm missing your point there... Grin

NewYearNewMia · 19/01/2013 09:49

Cross posted with you Gugg, I'll post the recipes a little later and I hope you enjoy your bubble bath - fingers crossed for you!

There's no external pressure on me to drink tonight, it's much more that I can't conceive of a social evening without drinking. I'm fine during the day, and actually I'm fine when we go to the pub after team meetings - I just have one or two halves of cider, as I'm driving. But for a whole evening of sitting eating and chatting... Not so much. That's pretty sad really, isn't it. Hmm

Anyway, off to have a bath.

aliasjoey · 19/01/2013 10:18

day 15.

pipes frozen here and we've sprung a leak. I am not technically minded, but DH thinks he can fix it, and I'm offering support by surfing mumsnet from my bed (there's no heating) Grin

mouse hope you have a lovely day at the spa

determinedma · 19/01/2013 11:28

purple half a stone in 10 days? Envy I haven't reached the half stone mark yet and its been 3 weeks!
mouse I am most displeased with your DH. I agree with whoever suggested that I kidnap him and fuck him senseless punish him severely!
My DB has been in touch with mum. Said he got her card and appreciates that we care but he has to deal with this on his own. He said he had been through a very rough patch but has made an appointment to "see someone" on Friday.
At least he's still alive.
Nothing planned for today, no money at all so a dull day ahead.

NewYearNewMia · 19/01/2013 11:40

God I'm strung so tight today that I feel inches from snapping all the time. Absolutely no idea why, other than I'm premenstrual. Confused I fucking hate feeling at the mercy of my temper like this and I have to consciously keep noticing and relaxing a ball of tension in my tummy. Angry

On a positive note, the other week I dropped and smashed a jar of coffee and hoovered it all up. DP is hoovering and the smell of coffee has permeated the whole house. I can't drink coffee (makes me a bit nuts) but I love the smell! Grin

Ma can you go out for a long walk in the snow then make a nice cocoa when you get back? If you use proper cocoa and don't sweeten it much then it's not too naughty, is it? Maybe it is and that's why I haven't lost any weight...

Re weight loss, half a stone is brilliant Purple - I lose it that fast if I do low/no carb, but not low GI.

PurpleWolfe · 19/01/2013 12:00

Guggs Have my fingers crossed for you, Lovely! Enjoy your bubble bath. x

Joey I so hope your heating/pipes problem has been sorted! It must be awful to be heatless in this weather. At least you could kick DH out of bed to try and fix it.

Ma I always tend to lose a lot in the first few weeks if I do low/no carb (like Mia) and then the lose slows down. I get impatient, though and set myself unrealistic goals - which is why, I think, I failed so badly before Christmas. Set myself up for a fall Sad Trying to look towards the long term now. I'm going on holiday in April to Cornwall with my friend, mine and her DC, so I'm trying to use that as my focal point rather than 4 weeks time. I so don't want to be wearing 'cover-up' clothes this year. Hope something lovely happens to brighten your day. Grin So glad you got word from your DB. Hope he continues to build on the contact.

Mia Thanks for the support re: weight loss. I'm trying not to 'rip the arse' out of it this time round. Hmm The 'sitting the whole evening' thing without drinking is hard for lots of us - definitely for me! But often, the thought of it is worse that actually doing it, I've found. Do you think your mood is worse because you are facing difficulties tonight? Maybe, too, you're feeling a little resentful because of the pressure you are under about tonight? Any chance you can get out and go for a walk, go swimming, punch the buggery bollocks out of pillow???

I have got a severe case of the 'munchies' here. Luckily (apart from the massive dark chocolate Toblerone I got for Christmas and which is sitting on the bedside table seductively calling me!) I'm not really a cake/chocolate/sweet things sort of person. So...I've just consumed way too many radishes!! Shock Don't worry, though, I'm by myself all day!

LRDtheFeministDragon · 19/01/2013 12:10

Hello babes!

I didn't even see Barry's slithery tentacles, but I am flattered to know you were considering slapping me with him. I did fine last night, didn't drink, and had a lovely time, though I did feel a bit tempted.

joey - oh, no! That doesn't sound good. Have you any way to heat the place off the electrics? I hope you get the leak sorted soon, too.

mouse - I am with mia on this one! Tell him to be nice or we'll give him what for!

mia - can you make yourself some excuses to have ready? Like saying you have to have an early night, or you're on medication? It sometimes works for me if I get the excuse in first thing - because then you set the tone for the whole time that you're not drinking today, so you don't feel so tempted?

Best of luck with it, anyway.

EastHollyDaleStreet · 19/01/2013 14:28

Hello everybody! mouse - really hope you're having an amazing day!

joey brrr. Nothing worse than no heat when you really really need it. Still, potentially a good excuse to just stay in bed all day ??
mia it is hard when you're in a situation like that. I donlt know where you're going but when I'm in a not drinking phase, h and I go to a place that does milkshake type drinks - I find them much better to get on with than 'normal' soft drinks.
Am on day 19 of not drinking and day 79 without a cigarette so should, theoretically feel amazing! Still a bit groggy though - never made it to the pool yesterday so will have to go tonight. DD has a friend round and dh has taken ds out as he was being a grumpy 12 year old. flopping about, sighing and being 'borrreeedddd'. Am going to tackle some ironing now...maybe..in a minute...after checking fb... Have a good rest of day all x

aliasjoey · 19/01/2013 14:53

temporary solution in place for leak - heating turned down (not off) because we don't want to overwork the boiler - I foresee an expensive plumber call-out.

DH in a foul mood.

I have a headache and pissed off with lazy feckless DD.

still, feckless is a great word and not used often enough... Grin

ma you're doing better than me - I've given up with boot camp completely...

PurpleWolfe · 19/01/2013 15:09

Sounds like you are having a really shit day at the moment Joey Sad Can you take some painkillers, grab a book and shut yourself in a quiet room and find some 'me' time?

My DD's not even here and I'm cross with her! Had to wade into her room to find the uniform she hasn't bothered putting in the dirty clothes bin (about 4 steps from her room, ffs!) and discovered, under her computer table, amongst other of my things, a jar of expensive face mask I treated myself to ages ago and am waiting for a 'special' occasion to use. Why can she not get it into her head that she has to ASK to borrow these things and, at least, put the bloody things back afterwards!!?? And.....aaaand....not come in my bedroom and go through MY stuff! Grrrrrr!

Anyway, sending you a hug Joey, hope things get better this afternoon. x

fragrantphoenixinwaiting · 19/01/2013 15:25

Hi Babes
Just come in from seldging and feel happily- tired and full of fresh air. don't even feel like a drink.

Mia I really recognise the late afternoon danger period. I 'm very vulnerable between the time the kids are home from achool up until about 8pm. After that the craving seems to diminish. Agree with Purple hat some diversionary tactics might be good. Geting out of the house due to a 'bad headache' which needs fresh air maybe. Remember that whether you drink or don't the evening is only a few hours. You can get through that and if you don't drink there are big rewards for on Sunday - ie. good feelings about yourself. It's only a big deal in your mind. Sorry if that sounds smug, I do know it's not that easy. I'm loving the recipes Grin

Ko I panic if I have no stash. It's almost as if it's not really real. Does that mean I'm still in some degree of denial? I hate holidays as the stash planning is much harder. if we fly I have to get a bottle of spirits in duty free as we may get to the destination to late to get booze. if we go on a canal boat or small cottage in the Dales there is nowhere safe enough to hide it nor space to get rid of the empties. pathetic isn't it? thanks for your concern (smile)

Back to boobs. i love my mammorial mountains (if James Joyce can make up words, so can I Grin ). One is scarred small and burned. The other is creamy-skinned full and swinging round my gargantuan belly. The small one will become pert as the effects of the treatment kick in. They are like children though, they've been through such a lot with me. they've done their main job of feeding my babies, my DH still thinks they the bees knees, whilst being scared and uncertain what he should do. Doesn't anyone think that men are much more concerned by the enthusiasm with which norkages (Ma [Grin) are got out by their owners rather than the actual physical state of them?

I know Barry is a squid but I can't stop thinking that he might be Barry Scott (of Cillit Bang fame) in disguise.

Ma glad about your brother

Gug wank socks to come, i'm afraid

Doing this post has passed 1/2 hr so i'm going now to wipe some skirting boards. feeling strong so far.

Love Babes

fragrantphoenixinwaiting · 19/01/2013 15:31

Mouse
You won't read this until tomorrow but i hope you had a soporific, soothing and serene spa day.
how is your back and pelvis today? i've had a 'bad back' on ocassions but it has soon passed. it was agony - and i mean more than childbirth - so i can't comprehend having to endure it long term whilst caring for a child with complex needs. you're amazing. do you think that your DH, alnog with all other men, is just fucking thick? mine is. he can't see what's needed when it's slapping him round the face.

hope you wake up Sun feeling good

NewYearNewMia · 19/01/2013 17:15

Thank you Babes for the support and suggestions, they are very much appreciated.

I just don't know what's the matter with me today. Sad

Anyway DP suggested taking his colleague to the pub first and coming back around 6- 6.30pm, by which time I'll hopefully be feeling a bit more sociable. I've made a cake for later and DP has prepped the dinner so I'll just try to relax for an hour or so.

I'm really craving white wine today. I want that initial euphoria of the first glass on an empty stomach to pep me up and make me sociable and witty. Sad

I'll have a few glasses of red tonight but try to hold off drinking until we eat (not sure I can tbh). And drink plenty of water as I go. And try to resist the temptation of the sloe gin later on. Hmm

DD asked if the friend is staying the night (yes) and said 'well I know what's going to happen then - you're all going to stay up too late and drink much too much wine and then you'll feel rubbish tomorrow and be really grumpy'. Out of the mouth of babes, eh? Hmm

Sorry to be so gloomy. I'm going to go and slap myself repeatedly with Barry.

Hope you feel better Joey.

jango36 · 19/01/2013 17:27

Hi to all the babes PURPLE WOLF thanks for asking after me- In the end I did have the bottleBlush but Ii drank it slowly and over a long period.. Still felt like shit this am! so annoyed with self! For me had a trigger something and nothing to do with some friends for me that sparked it all off. Pathetic really!
Any way today is a new day and I am back on board!! and I am staying there for today at least Smile
Been busy today forced self to tidy whole house then took dd1 and ds1 out for a sledge session. Home now and plannning exercise lol and a long bath then reading .. Feck off Wine Witch!!!

PurpleWolfe · 19/01/2013 17:41

Feeling rather stupid just now and very sorry for myself Sad. ExP's brother, who has been my good friend for over 18 years, and his wife have turned up at ExP's house (they live in Bromely, we live in Suffolk) and is taking them all to a Chinese restaurant for dinner. A very rare treat for them. If it weren't for BIL's wife (who, for some reason, doesn't like me and won't let BIL have anything to do with me (as far as she knows)) they may have asked me too. Had a message earlier from BIL saying 'How are you' etc. Told him I was feeling a bit lonely - he was sympathetic. Then, an hour later, a message from DD, all excited, as they are all off out for the evening (ExP never takes them out) courtesy of Uncle David! I should just be happy for DC but instead, I'm sitting here, by myself, not even 'allowed' to drink wine to take the edge off, having not seen or talked to a soul all day. Stupid, stupid tears. Sad Told you it was stupid.

PurpleWolfe · 19/01/2013 17:48

And.....I still have to try and hold out against WW for over 2 hours before I'm safe. Sad