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DH just called me a... AIBU?

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wotsDHdoing · 07/11/2012 21:53

So just now we were having, ahem, SEX, and he said something, something, something "... you fat bitch...",

i said "dont call me that", got off him and went upstairs, locked myself in the bathroom and cried my heart out.
he called up "sorry, i didn't mean it"
but the damage had been done, i felt shit, like a fat bitch basically, not sexy, not loved, not even very liked...

I lost allot of weight, 2stone, earlier this year but have put on half a stone again recently and i can tell he is disappointed in me for putting it back on.

so have i over reacted?

he then got dressed and has driven off without even seeing if im ok...

by the way we haven't done-the-deed for two months(!) because of one thing and another, kids, sickness, exhaustion, guests staying etc
and it felt like we were really close tonight and i wanted to.... and now i just feel really hurt and angry and unloved.

also he was quite forceful and not very considerate as to my pleasure, which is a reoccurring theme in our sex life.

just not sure if i'm over reacting and either way, where do i go from here.

thanks for any thoughts :)

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hildebrandisgettinghappier · 07/11/2012 22:57

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olgaga · 07/11/2012 23:06

When you have some quiet time, you might want to look at this practical information:

Relationship Breakdown and Divorce ? Advice and Links

It is useful if you can get to grips with the language of family law and procedure, and get an understanding of your rights, BEFORE you see a solicitor. If you are well prepared you will save time and money.

Children

The welfare, needs and interests of children are paramount. Parents have responsibilities, not rights, in this regard. Shared residence means both parties having an equal interest in the upbringing of the children. It does not mean equal (50/50) parenting time - children are not possessions to be ?fairly? divided between separating parents.

A divorce will not be granted where children are involved unless there are agreed arrangements for finance, and care of the children (?Statement of Arrangements for Children?). It is obviously quicker and cheaper if this can be agreed but if there is no agreement, the Court will make an Order - ?Residence and Contact? regarding children, ?Financial Order? or ?Ancillary Relief? in the case of Finance. Information and links to these can be found in the Directgov link below. Residence and Contact Orders are likely to be renamed Child Arrangements Orders in future.

Always see a specialist family lawyer!

Get word of mouth recommendations for family lawyers in your area if possible. If you have children at school, ask mums you are friendly with if they know of anyone who can make a recommendation in your area. These days there are few people who don?t know of anyone who has been through a divorce or separation ? there?s a lot of knowledge and support out there!

Many family lawyers will offer the first half hour consultation free. Make use of this. Don?t just stick with the first lawyer you find ? shop around and find someone you feel comfortable with. You may be in for a long haul, so it helps if you can find a solicitor you?re happy with.

If you can?t find any local recommendations, always see a solicitor who specialises in Family Law.

If you take legal action to protect yourself or your family from domestic violence, you may qualify for legal aid without having to meet the normal financial conditions. The income of an abusive partner will not be taken into account when deciding whether you qualify for legal aid.

You can also find out about Legal Aid and get advice on the Community Legal Advice Helpline on 08345 345 4 345
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Or search in your area for Community Legal Advisors:
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Here is the Gov.uk guide to divorce which includes a link to CAB advice at the foot of the first page:
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Rights of Women have a helpline on 020 7251 6577 and helpful advice on their website.
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You can read advice and search by area for a family lawyer here:
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Mediation

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You can find a Mediator here:
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Married or Living Together?

This is a key question, because if you are married, generally speaking you have greater protection when a relationship breaks down.

Legal Issues around marriage/cohabitation and relationship breakdown are explained here:
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www.advicenow.org.uk/living-together/

Gov.uk advice on divorce, separation and relationship breakdown:
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Issues around contact are further explored here:
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www.rightsofwomen.org.uk/legal.php#children_relationship_breakdown
www.maypole.org.uk/
www.cafcass.gov.uk/media/2909/TimeforChildren.pdf

I found these guides from law firms quite informative and easy to read ? there are others of course:
www.family-lawfirm.co.uk/uploaded/documents/Surviving-Family-Conflict-and-Divorce---2nd-edition.pdf

www.terry.co.uk/hindex.html

Finance

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There is a useful divorce and separation calculator here:
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Parenting issues:
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www.theparentconnection.org.uk

Other Support ? Children, Housing, Domestic Violence
www.womensaid.org.uk/ and refuge.org.uk/ - Helpline 0808 2000 247
www.ncdv.org.uk/ - Helpline 0844 8044 999
www.gingerbread.org.uk/ - Helpline 0808 802 0925
Housing www.england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/families_and_relationships/relationship_breakdown
(Note that on many advice websites there is usually an appropriate link for England, Wales and Scotland where the law, advice and contact information may differ).
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ginhag · 07/11/2012 23:09

That's utterly fucking horrible wots. There is actually no other way to look at it. Sorry

wotsDHdoing · 07/11/2012 23:10

I know. I do see it. I have asked him to leave before. He wont. So it'll be me and 3 kids who have to find somewhere to live, how do i do that without anything? I used to be so indeendant, have a good job, confident. Now i just want to hide most of the time. And yes i think i am weak and cowardly for allowing it to go on....
i just hid under the bedcovers. Couldnt face him.
He brought a bunch of flowers oin and left them on the dressing table without a word ? Is that meant to make it all ok then?
kl q

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YellowTulips · 07/11/2012 23:14

If my other half did this I wouldn't say anything when he came back.

That's because I would have been far to busy stuffing his possessions into bin bags and throwing them into the street where they belong along with their fuckwit of an owner. The door would be then locked and bolted and a single and final text sent telling him where he could pick up his shit
and thanking him for giving me such an unequivocal reason to end the relationship and find someone worth spending the rest of my life with (pointing out that whilst I can lose weight in a matter of weeks he is stuck with being an asshole permanently).

No arguments, no discussions just direct action to ensure I would never be disrespected in this way again.Angry

wotsDHdoing · 07/11/2012 23:15

Thankyou all for taking the time to talk to me. I didnt exect this resonse. I thought you would all tell me he was most likely joking. I havnt read all your comments yet. Am going to digest and will get back to you/answer questions. Am on my hone which isnt working very well (wont delete or writ the letter after 'O' !) So thanks for reading x

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SrirachaGirl · 07/11/2012 23:18

Baloney.

tallwivglasses · 07/11/2012 23:30

Flowers? Twat. How many more years are you going to put up with this before he's sucked the last breath of life out of you?

An old ex of mine is now a millionaire. Dd found him online with a picture of his wife who looked very like me. My first thoughts? You poor woman.

Money doesn't buy happiness...but you know that only too well, don't you op. Sad

fuzzpig · 07/11/2012 23:36

He's really showing you his true colours tonight. Believe him. He is not a good husband or father.

Anniegetyourgun · 07/11/2012 23:41

See, the thing about a joke is that it's funny. That thing he said (and worse, that thing he did), that wasn't funny in any way, shape or form.

wotsDHdoing · 07/11/2012 23:54

So according to dh he said " you sexy bitch".... Hmmm easy to confuse with "Fat bitch". So I just heard it wrong ?
Yeh thats why he bought me flowers. Am so touch about my weight that i imagined he said fat bitch.

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PelvicFloorClenchReminder · 08/11/2012 00:02

What a fucking twat, so he says you have defective hearing now too? Angry for you

izzyizin · 08/11/2012 00:05

Let him come back to a locked and bolted front door and,when you deign to let him in, make it clear that if he should feel the urge to get his rocks off in future he can pass go and drive straight to a layby to play with himself because he's not fit to play with you.

dreamingbohemian · 08/11/2012 00:23

Don't worry, you will be confident and strong again. What you need is time and information -- knowledge is power, right?

Don't force yourself to make any big decisions right now. Just start getting information on your options. olgaga has given you a lot of links and info, there's a start.

You may be surprised to find how much support you can get if you split. And once you know the reality not your fears, but the reality it will be easier to make a decision.

I don't think you should stay with him, but can totally see how huge it must look to leave. But it will look so much more doable if you start looking into things.

You deserve so much better than this tosser. Please keep telling yourself that.

YellowTulips · 08/11/2012 00:28

Well he's had 30 mins in the car to come up with the excuse its your fault because you misheard him Hmm

Is that really the best he can do? In that time I really would expect a little more creativity....

FFS it's just another form of disrespect that he thinks you are stupid enough to accept such a pathetic explanation.

I am not usually so strident in my posts but his behaviour demonstrates a massive level of contempt for you as person and every action since his outburst (driving off, stupid excuses) has just served to underline this Sad.

mutny · 08/11/2012 13:52

so not only did hr call you a 'fat bitch' hr thinks you are stupid enough to listen to his shit and believe him.
Would you be ok with being called a 'sexy bitch'?

If he is telling the truth, why was he not begging you to open the bathroom door and explaining that. Why did he stomp out?

Startail · 08/11/2012 13:58

He would return to find a suitcase on the front door step and a note saying he is never to return.

MadameCastafiore · 08/11/2012 14:04

I am shocked - the cornerstone of every relationship should be respect and what he did to you shows he doesn't have the respect for you that a husband should have.

Believe me - money and watching a shite relationship is worse for kids than seeing what a proper relationship is supposed to be like and having to scrimp and save.

What would you say to your daughter if she came home and said that her partner had called her a fat bitch - I would be round there packing his case or getting a spare room ready.

clam · 08/11/2012 18:47

OK, so please forgive me but I'm going to be blunt.

You have a comfortable lifestyle and he brings in good money to finance that. You don't want to lose your house and share your children with custody/access isssues.

The price you are willing to pay for that is rough sex and being spoken to in a vile, disrespectful and hurtful way.

As long as you know what you're doing. Sad

wotsDHdoing · 08/11/2012 19:42

Hi . Sorry ive not been back today.needed to digest everything. Was feeling terrible this morning but went for a run on the beach and felt much calmer after :)

Havn't seen him today. He's been at work/ avoiding me.
He was adamant last night that i had misheard. :S how he would NEVER call me that, he just wouldnt.... But he did so where does that leave us?

i just dont kno what to do. Feels so hard to even think about how to split up. He knows i am run ragged by everything as it is baby, kids, animals, house, my wider responsibilities looking after my mum, my pt job, volenteering.... He knows i just dont have the head space let alone the time to orchistrate leaving him... Its like He knows it is a power over me...
Or am i making excuses?
Sorry im rambling

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clam · 08/11/2012 20:06

Well, if nothing else, you need to make it clear that he did say that, that is what you heard and that is what you, as a couple, need to deal with. Until he acknowledges that and stops trying to gaslight you into rewriting events, you're going nowhere.
At the very least, he needs to know that he must acknowledge he said it, try to understand where it came from and work hard to make amends for it with you - and that means reconsidering how he speaks to you generally.

If he can't or won't do that, then you're really up shit creek without a paddle.

AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 20:18

Yes, you are making excuses

Like clam said, know that

mummytime · 08/11/2012 20:32

Go and see a solicitor. Make an appointment and go and see one, and find out how you can make him leave.
That doesn't take much head space, and is probably all you can cope with right now. If you have further questions or aren't happy with the answers get another free initial consult and see another solicitor.
Just concentrate on yourself and the kids.
You can do this!

wotsDHdoing · 08/11/2012 20:39

Im weak and a door mat. Feel like im at the bottom of a well... An ongoing issue for me is feeling uncared for by him.
Deep care, not just material, but real respect and care.
I have always had a feeling that he feels because he is the main breadwinner he somehow gets to say how things are... When i say something upsets me i just get fobbed off, made to feel my feelings are wrong, dont count, not normal.
Or that i am abusive for getting upswt and not allowing him to do as he pleases ,sleeping in all weekend, staying up all night, spending thousands on his hobby, begrudging me a badly needed new bra ffs!

Im just ranting sorry.

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AnyFucker · 08/11/2012 20:47

Who has made you feel like this ?

Should any one person have the power to do that ?

You can take that power back, you know