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Big problems with DP's family - help!

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TheKindnessOfStrangers · 06/11/2012 10:49

Please can somebody advise me.

Earlier this year we moved house. The reason ostensibly was because we wanted somewhere bigger, in the catchment area for a good school, but the real reason was because we wanted to get away from my BIL.

He is unemployed and was coming round to our house most days to eat dinner and verbally abuse us. He would pick fights by saying provocative, usually racist, things and then call us terrible names if we got irritated. My DP just wouldn?t or couldn?t deal with it (?He?s depressed. We have to be nice to him. I?m not going to turn my own brother away from my door? etc.). In the last year or so before we moved he started turning up in the day when DP was at work. Sometimes it was ok. For a while I even (naively) though we were friends. Sometimes he would harangue me to the point of tears. I remember once standing in the street with him, I don?t know where we?d been, as he ranted and raved at me whilst I sobbed and felt wretched. I don?t remember any of the details of what he said, just him screaming at me and calling me a cocksucker (nice, I know!).

One day I made the mistake of calling on him at his house. To cut a long story short, he raped me. I didn?t tell anybody in RL. My DP?s family have never liked me and I highly doubt they?d have believed me. I wasn?t even sure my DP would believe me (I didn?t fight and it would?ve been my word against his). It would have ripped the whole family apart. I?ve since spoken to Rape Crisis who said the case probably wouldn?t make it to court if I ever went to the police because I didn?t tell anybody at the time (they also told me it?s quite usual, and often safer, not to fight).

After that he started following me and hassling me when I was out and about. Sometimes he?d want to borrow money, sometimes he?d have a go at me, sometimes he?d proposition me. I told DP about it, and about the money and the verbal abuse, but not the propositioning. DP still did nothing, but that was when we started talking about moving house (I sent him numerous texts asking him not to approach me unless I was with DP).

After we moved I dug my heels in and flatly refused to have him in the house, and DP, whilst not fully understanding, respected this, but I had to go back to our old neighbourhood daily to take DS to nursery and quite often he would wait outside the nursery for me. One day he followed me half a mile down the road, trying to persuade me to let him come back with me to the house, or go for a walk with him in the park, or go back to his house. DP still did nothing. Desperately hoping for some support from somebody in the family, I mentioned it to my SIL and a few days later got an e-mail from my other BIL, her husband, saying that I was ?twisting reality? and basically that I?ve been mean and horrible for ?not accepting his olive branch? and for cutting him out of DS?s life (of course he was seeing DS almost daily before) (which I haven?t done, as DP still takes DS to see him when he can ? quite often he doesn?t pick up the phone when DP calls him to arrange a visit) and that they don?t want anything more to do with me. So I think it?s safe to say they wouldn?t have believed me regarding the rape. In the end we took DS out of that nursery and moved him to a local one.

Anyway, DS?s birthday is approaching and I?m being put under a lot of pressure from both my DP and my own parents to hold for him the sort of party that is traditional in DP?s family ? one where you invite all the family around to your house for sandwiches and cake ? and invite my BIL. DP thinks we need to ?build bridges? (I think my MIL is putting pressure on him), and my parents think I?m being stubborn because I simply don?t like the guy (and that I?m putting undue strain on my relationship with my DP) (I've not told them the truth either, because I?m sure they?d see it as my fault ? they always have whenever I?ve gotten into trouble). They are saying they won?t come if I don?t invite my BIL.

What do I do? Having him ?anywhere near me-- in my house is anathema to me, but how can I avoid it when even my own parents won?t back me up?

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waltermittymissus · 06/11/2012 13:00

He doesn't work does he? So that rules out having something when he's not available.

Do you know if he has a hobby or something that he won't miss? Match tickets? Anything that he would choose over Ds's birthday (though I think he would use any excuse to get in your house :( )

How about taking your ds with a couple of his friends to a soft play and bringing party bags for them to take home? Tell your parents and inlaws they are welcome to stop by to see him and have a cuppa. Not a party, but not excluding them either?

DorisIsWaiting · 06/11/2012 13:04

I don't think either set of parents re going to be placated ... they (wrongly) seem to feel the both get a say in what happens. However whilst your DHis in the dark he can see no real reason not to bury the hatchet.

You are expecting them all to act reasonably when they do not have the details for your actions.

Could you build yourself up to showing your DH this thread you very eloquently explain what happened and why and how you feel. If you want MN to remain private after maybe a NC.

Your DH will never be fully onboard whilst he doesn't know you are not giving him chance to support you.

I believe you.

TheKindnessOfStrangers · 06/11/2012 13:05

I don't suppose there is any way of avoiding pissing them off.

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DorisIsWaiting · 06/11/2012 13:06

sorry I meant to say your dh will never be fully on board as he does not know how truly dispicable his B is. He just see his behaviour as small annoying things.

TheKindnessOfStrangers · 06/11/2012 13:06

Sorry, x-post.

Thank you Doris.

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waltermittymissus · 06/11/2012 13:09

Kindness you're not responsible for their feelings. Honestly, you need to let go of that. They are all adults. If they want to bitch and moan they will do it. If it's not about BIL not being invited, it'll be something else.

I can't imagine where your head is at right now but your Dp concerns me. It doesn't sound like he's a very good person to be sharing your life with. Are you happy with him? With your relationship?

I really want to tell you to get rid of the lot of them and enjoy your life with ds! If even your counsellor saw that he needed to choose (and then he DIDN'T choose) that's a huge red flag for me. Are you ok?

SarkyWench · 06/11/2012 13:10

We believe you.
It is not your fault.

expatinscotland · 06/11/2012 13:13

No, there is no way to avoid pissing them off.

Are you from a culture where a woman is expected to put up with her partner's or spouse's family no matter what?

AlienRefluxovermypoppy · 06/11/2012 13:16

No I think you should stop trying to please those in your life that don't give a toss about pleasing you.

Say you asked DS and he desperately wants to go to the zoo/legoland whatever your DS would love to do for his birthday, so that's what you are doing, they are welcome to pop round in the days before/after but nothing set in stone. You don't need to explain, it's his birthday, and that's what he wants to do.

Eventually though, you will need to face the fact that your DP is so unreliable you can't tell him something this horrific happened to you, maybe it's time to deal with it all once and for all, you're stronger than you think,and this new found happiness is shaky at best.

We will be here though, to support you what ever you want to do.

TheKindnessOfStrangers · 06/11/2012 13:20

I haven't always been happy in the relationship but I'm happier than I was.

Thank you sarky, and everybody who has believed me.

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TheKindnessOfStrangers · 06/11/2012 13:22

Oh expat! No, I'm from a boring White British Protestant middle-class background.

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expatinscotland · 06/11/2012 13:29

I agree with Alien. I could never ever stay with a person who put a vile scumbag ahead of our well-being as a family.

waltermittymissus · 06/11/2012 13:29

We all believe you Kindness and you should post here as much as you want. You will get great support.

I agree with Alien. Although now may not be the right time for it, I think you need to make some serious changes in your life. Happier is not the same as being happy. And this is a man who you can't even trust to share your pain?

I feel desperately sorry for you but you are capable of making the changes you want. Don't let this creep and his horrible family ruin you!

Do something fun with your ds and screw what they think about it!

pregnantpause · 06/11/2012 15:26

Can you not just go somewhere just the three of you? 'im sorry no party this year, we're taking him to the zoo- he's always wanted to go' that sort of thing.

Aside from immediate damage control to stop them coming, happier does not mean happy. You deserve happiness. Your ds does too. You did not cause this, and you could not control what happened. It happened to you, not because of you. Please don't feel ashamed, this is his shame not yours. He is evil. Talk to your dh- and if you can't try to question why, and then, whether he is who you want to be with if you can't tell him. A lifetime is too long to have to come up with 'reasons' to avoid bil. Your dh needs to know and needs to be supportive.
Keep posting if nothing else you know you've done nothing to deserve this, and you deserve happiness.

ShamyFarrahCooper · 06/11/2012 16:01

I believe you Kindness and I hope you get time to decide if you will tell your OH or not. I'm sorry your parents are also siding with his family and you think they would blame you in some way. Your are not to blame. You should not be the one who is ashamed.

I totally agree with pregnantpause

snuffaluffagus · 06/11/2012 16:21

I'm so sorry this has happened to you. Of course we believe you. I think the counselling through rape crisis would be a good idea for you either way.

How do you think your partner would react if you told him? That's the key thing here, because with him "on side" as it were you would be more able to avoid any contact with his brother.

In regards to the birthday, what does your son want to do do you think? A small party at harvester or another child friendly restaurant? A couple of friends from school to the cinema and a pizza? Something like that?

LaCiccolina · 06/11/2012 16:35

I believe u.

U are creating for urself a life sentence. U do c that don't u? It's only now, I guess a few months after and ur already at breaking point and desperately seeking advice from us. I'm so terribly sorry but this situation will not improve. There is still Xmas to come after this birthday - will u avoid that too? There is always something and u r going to look more and more unreasonable as time goes on, not less. Nobody understands because apart from him being an arse they don't know what else occurred. Why should they think its a worse situation than a spat if u don't say anything?

I think u need to speak to rape crisis again. I think u need to tell ur GP. I think u need to tell ur poor partner who can't understand u because u won't let him.

This is heading for this point anyway my dear. It will come out or it will happen again.

Keep posting. We will respond. Best of luck xxxxx

TheKindnessOfStrangers · 06/11/2012 16:45

I asked DS what he wants to do for his birthday and he said "Invite lots of children round to play. At Uncle X's house"!

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AlienRefluxovermypoppy · 06/11/2012 16:54

What THE Uncle?

TheKindnessOfStrangers · 06/11/2012 17:01

Yeah, the uncle. Even though he doesn't see him very much now he still talks about him quite a lot. My BIL was always good with him, playing dens and doing colouring with him etc. I have to keep reminding myself that it's all very well him being the 'fun uncle' whilst DS is small, but when DS is bigger their relationship is highly likely to become what people on MN call 'toxic' if I don't restrict his access to him.

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AlienRefluxovermypoppy · 06/11/2012 17:06

Did you suggest other stuff to do? Kids eh?!! Stand your ground,it is NOT fair for you to have to see that animal. Do what you must Kindness, it's about time you started putting yourself first.

waltermittymissus · 06/11/2012 17:56

Well he's only 4 so it will be pretty easy to talk him into something else!

Have a party somewhere child-friendly but PUBLIC. Tell inlaws and parents where it is and what time. Tell them they can stop by if they wish but they don't have to. Tell them (and DP) that BIL is NOT WELCOME AND BETTER NOT SHOW UP WITH ANYONE. They are then free to choose whether they want to see their grandson or not.

If they have a problem with it, fuck them!

AThingInYourLife · 06/11/2012 18:42

I believe you.

And look, even if this scumbag hadn't raped you, you would still be entirely justified in cutting ties with him.

The fact that your partner thinks the treatment he knows about in excusable means he is someone to get the fuck away from.

waltermittymissus · 06/11/2012 19:11

The fact that your partner thinks the treatment he knows about in excusable means he is someone to get the fuck away from.

This.

ImperialBlether · 06/11/2012 19:25

I think you should leave your partner. He doesn't have your interests at heart, to the extent that if you tell him you were raped he will be looking for reasons as to why it's your fault. Your own family sound toxic, too, and I wonder whether this has influenced you in your attempt to keep the peace with your partner's family.

I'm so sorry for you - it sounds like a really awful situation.

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