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The Brave Babes Battle Bus - Blowing Away The Cobwebs, Brushing Up The Leaves, Whilst Travelling On The Battle Bus, To Our Own Sobrieties.

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Mouseface · 29/10/2012 10:25

Hello I'm Mouse

Welcome to the Brave Babes Battle Bus, aka Gerald. It's a lovely place for drinkers, non-drinkers, wobblers and thinkers...... we're a really mixed bunch who all have one thing in common, alcohol.

Whether that be past or present, it can always be our future due to the nature of the beast.

Everyone can join this thread, the support is unconditional. And it is here for anyone who wants it, now or in a little while, there's always a spare seat or three!

Why not take a look at the journeys so far at the link below, it'll take you back through the last two (plus) years, and also I've posted a link to the very first thread....... the reason that we are all on the Bus in the first place Smile

PREVIOUS THREAD

FIRST EVER THREAD

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Fairenuff · 24/11/2012 12:54

Joey the more I read your posts, the more I think that it might do you the world of good to give up drinking completely. Even if it's 'just' for six weeks (like you did before) or 3 months, or whatever suits you. I really do believe that if anyone could do it, you could.

Forgive me if I'm speaking out of turn here, but it seems that an awful lot of your time is spent fretting about whether to drink and if so, when, and how much and whether that will be possible. It goes on and on and on around your head and must be very tiring and stressful.

Why not take all that unnecessary worry and put it to one side. For now. Just pick a date and say 'I'm not drinking until then. No discussion. End of.' Then, use all your strategies, one day at a time, to stick to that decision. I get a very strong feeling that this is taking too much head space and you need to kick it out.

I mean all this in the kindest way, please ignore if I'm being too outspoken x

babyjane1 · 24/11/2012 12:59

Hi guys mouse you sound amazing, so strong and brave, purple you sound so much better today, looking say anything you want here, we all are reassured that other people feel as awful as we sometimes do. Good luck tonightalias and lovely leucan thanks for keeping an eye on me. I did drink wine last night, I just get a feeling always at 7 o'clock, it's like im not complete without it. I don't know how or when it became so important, I find myself drinking on an empty stomach for a quicker "hit". I love my dh, love my dd's, I love that's first glass feeling but spend most of day, thinking and worrying about the fact I can't stop. I can say this for sure, finding you guys has been amazing for me and I really think I will get there soon and I'm not feeling as lonely thanks to you all. You are all inspiring!!!!

Mouseface · 24/11/2012 13:05

Afternoon, tis me, Mouse

Hope - as has been said, no-one's problems or worries are any less important because they of their content. Many of our woes and worries fuel the desire to drink so getting them out here is an excellent idea imho.

Get it out of your head so that the Booze Beast doesn't talk you into a soothing glass of something or another.

Purple - I'm glad you went on that date, and that he has great taste in cars as well as women Wink. Re the physical side of things, there's no reason you should want to kiss him is there? Or anything else? Just enjoy going out and talking to each other, seeing new places in his cars, lunch, dinner, whatever..... Smile

Joey - PJs here too. You're getting yourself worked up already over drinking or not later. STOP! I like Leucan's idea about planning your drinking better or you could just wait and see how you feel. If you want to have a drink, you will. The more pressure you put on yourself now, the worse it will all be later on. Just go with your gut feelings. Smile

Leucan - All those nasty upsetting things that I drank to push to the back of my mind didn't go anywhere, they're just sitting in a big pile waiting to be processed - I see them pretending to be one of those old punched card data storage computers that used to take up a whole room. And now there isn't a wall of bottles between me and them, they all have to go through the machine... And I have to 'settle' each one. A lot of them I can just say 'yes, you were a twat, you drunk too much and you looked like a moron. don't do it again'. But there are some rather more serious things.

I have boxes. All piled up in the back of my head and now that I am sober (with the occasional drink) I can cope so much better when a trigger comes along. Life is full of triggers and we all deal with them differently, YOU just have to decide which of the things that used to be hidden behind that huge wall of wine bottles needs dealing with first.

Take your time, unravel the mess slowly and carefully. Your past can't hurt you anymore, the things you have done can never be undone but you can forgive yourself. And, you should. Life's too short to wonder about what if's and maybe's imo. Maybe you should just write it all out. Let it out as it comes to you and write it out, then burn the paper it's on.

A very good friend of mine told me that getting rid of anything I had of my abusive ET (ex twat) would help with the healing, so I started to think about it and she was right, I had boxes of photo's that I'd never really gone through, assuming that they were all of DD. I had candles, photo frames, underwear that I hadn't even thought about that he's bought or given me so they all went too.

Bit by bit, I am getting rid of my boxes. Don't get my wrong, some will stay tight shut until the day I die because they are the ones that don't need opening if that makes sense.

Well done to those who are on day 5/6, the physical detox symptoms should start to settle soon....... just stay hydrated and remember that wine has sooooooooooooo much sugar in, your body will be used to that too so is re-adjusting to every little change.

Nemo had a bad night, very sore and swollen face, little bit of bleeding and terrible tummy pains which are just the pain meds etc, and it;s med o'clock now so I best go and tip him up.

Keep going Babes, great to see the Bus nice and full at the moment and welcome to any new Babes I've missed, I thought hot chocolate with shortbreads for afternoon snacks later on? I'm going to lite the log burner too, it's awful here! Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Mouse xx

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Mouseface · 24/11/2012 13:05

or top him up even! Grin
Sorry for any other typos, little sleep and increased meds = fuzzy headed me!! Grin

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PurpleWolfe · 24/11/2012 14:15

Leucan he was (mostly) interesting! Lol!

Thanks Mouse Smile I hear what you say about just enjoying his cars company but he is definitely looking for a new partner/relationship so would be looking for some intimacy at some stage. Maybe I'm over thinking it - 'cos I do do that.Hmm Ho hum, I shall wait and see how it goes. Hot chocolate and shortbreads sound good to me! Grin. Sorry, had to Smile at 'tip him up'! xx

Sending you lots of strength tonight Joey whatever you decide on. x

aliasjoey · 24/11/2012 14:16

mouse tip him up? poor luv, as though he hasn't been through enough... Wink

PurpleWolfe · 24/11/2012 14:20

Well done to those who are on day 5/6, the physical detox symptoms should start to settle soon....... just stay hydrated and remember that wine has sooooooooooooo much sugar in, your body will be used to that too so is re-adjusting to every little change. FWIW I found chocolate a real help combating the lack of sugar from wine - as my now empty Christmas Celebrations tin will testify! Whatever gets you through - as long as it's not alcoholic! Good luck. x

aliasjoey · 24/11/2012 14:25

faire you're right, sometimes I torture myself unable to decide. not tonight though, I have decided I WILL NOT DRINK until after DDs act. its managing to get through it without a drink thats making me anxious now! at least 3 hours meeting DHs colleagues, boss etc, trying not to babble (which is what I do when nervous) and I look like shit from not sleeping, bags under eyes etc...

I think diazepam might be the way to go... we get there at 5, assuming DD doesnt sing till 8, thats three hours of J20s and small talk.

I dont even care if she doesnt win now, I just want to get through it. am really winding myself up now, stupid girl

babyjane1 · 24/11/2012 14:54

alias I was thinking maybe you could have one glass at the start of the evening then j2o's thereon and if you are really nervous then maybe 1 just before dd comes on!!! What is your drinking pattern like at home? How much and how often? I'm trying to build up a wee picture of you all as I'm the new girl, will be thinking of you, try and relax and enjoy yourself. For what it's worth, I also try to avoid these situations for exactly the same reason, then stay home and drink anyway!!!!! You get your glad rags on and go have some fun with your family x x x

aliasjoey · 24/11/2012 15:09

babyjane oh no that would be the worst thing for me to do! apart from the fact that we'll get there about 5pm which is too early to start drinking; my problem is The First One is never The Only One.

I'm aware that as soon as I have that first drink all control goes out of the window, so my aim is to delay it as long as possible.

at home its easier, I only buy my maximum which is 500ml white wine, and don't have anything else in the house (not desperate enough to drink DHs beer or whiskey)

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babyjane1 · 24/11/2012 15:32

Ok I understand. Just try to have to go along with the intention of having a pleasant night out, stick to soft drinks for the entire evening or until you can't manage without a wine, I think the more you worry yourself, the more pressure you will put yourself under. Just think millions of people dont drink at all and have great social lives. I really will be thinking of you!!!! Ps I'm taking my girls to see Xmas lights so that I'm driving and won't drink so if I can do it you can do it xxx

LeucanTheMopsis · 24/11/2012 15:55

Just a quick thought, only got a minute:

Alias, I know this makes me sound a bit unhinged... but I've tried this before for tackling a craving and it's worked. Basically, I don't think our minds are the sophisticated, crafty, adults that we think they are - if you deliberately tell yourself something that's rubbish enough times you're at a real risk of accepting it for truth because your head ('one's' head, not just yours!) is actually quite gullible.

So... if I'm craving a drink or a cigarette, I pretend it's the other way around. I pretend some cartoon villain (the Penguin from Batman or something) is leering at me doing the whole ''ave a drink little girlie, go ahhhhn...' and I'm the one going 'No, no! I don't want one! You can't make me! No!' and then - this is the unhinged bit - I do actually feel all virtuous and I don't want a drink or a cigarette, because I've just successfully told myself a whopping great story and swallowed it!

I'll get my coat. Blush

aliasjoey · 24/11/2012 15:58

no you're not unhinged!

I'm not worrying too much about the wine, I'm more worrying about meeting all the new people but it will be okay

gotta go

joey xxx

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PurpleWolfe · 24/11/2012 19:07

Hoping Joey's getting through the evening OK.

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Mouseface · 24/11/2012 19:38

Evening, tis me Mouse

Koti - hello lovely, how are things with you? I've tried to read back but with super tired eyes and a tired brain, most of it went in and then straight back out! Grin

Joey - have a great night no matter what you decide, I know you've gone but YOU have to be the one in control of this, whatever 'this' may be for you tonight. Smile xx

Sorry to bang on about this but when Nemo was in PICU, i had a lot of time to think things through, about my drinking, my life, what I'd done to deserve him being in such danger and have a constant battle on his hands, you know, the usual 'woe is me' kinda shite.

Anyway, yup, I've done some pretty horrendous things in my past which of course I'm not going to put out into the ether but things that could have shaped my future much more differently if DD hadn't come along, and DH, and of course Nemo.

For every tear I have shed this last week, I have thought about other times in my life when it would have been 'better', 'easier', 'cleaner', 'less distracting' just to pick up a bottle of vodka and go in for the kill. Hmm

Baby - hello lovely, just a quick thought, was it you who said you can't stop drinking? Up thread? Sorry, I can't find who it was and I think it was you.

Anyway, whoever it was, my mother once said to me 'There's no such word as can't' and boy did she say it a frickin lot! Grin

Thing is, you can't stop now because you don't want to. And that's cool. When I first came to the conclusion that almost 90 units a week was a wee bit on the heavy side, I was in a total I am NOT stopping drinking, just cutting back, maybe, a bit, perhaps kind of place.

You can only stop when you are 100 % READY. Smile xx

Be back later, tis Nemo needs mummy time.

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Mouseface · 24/11/2012 19:51

Thanks lovely Smile xx

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PurpleWolfe · 24/11/2012 20:06

I'm fine thanks Koti. Had another surge of energy today so used it to have a massive clean of the house! So nice when the children are away 'cos it actually stays clean/tidy for more than 2 minutes!! Even remembered to wash not so White Bear for DS2 as promised. Smile How is your weekend shaping up?

You must be so relieved to be home Mouse?

Mouseface · 24/11/2012 20:20

Purple - just a tiny bit although he is really struggling with pain just now..... and they said they'd send him home with meds but didn't. Thing is, that meant a 4+ hour wait so I've been to the pharmacy I trust and who knows him today, and he's told me what doses he can safely have of paracetamol and ibuprofen.

They couldn't give him ibuprofen due to the bleeding initially, which is cool so now he can have it, he is. Currently, he's sleeping but crying in his sleep, whimpering and I want to take that away from him so badly. I want him to be okay and settled.

He needs to rest and heal.

So, how's the head? How are you feeling about the drinking and the coming days? How are you coping? xx

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PurpleWolfe · 24/11/2012 20:53

Oh, bless him, Mouse. The 'Whimpering in his sleep' comment has given me misty eyes. I must be so hard for you in the times you can't do any more than you already have for him - just to sit with him and will him better. How did you feel in hospital when you had to, sort of, surrender him over to the medical lot? Can you give the alternate meds every two hours now? Does it help?

As for me, I'm doing well, thank you. I read about your 'boxes' and it made me think about me and my own 'boxes'. My childhood was pretty crap, my Mother was a depressive alcoholic (died when I was 12 from an alcohol induced accident). Because of my past I was entitled to counselling. The guy was really good. I sorted lots of my 'boxes' out in those hours in that little room with him but I was still living with the ex - a bad relationship - at the time. So, two years later, on my own, still drinking like I have all those 'boxes' still handing a round - but I haven't (well, not as many Smile) I think a lot of my drinking was purely habit which, in turn, was making me depressed, so I'd reach for another drink. Does that make any sense?

I'm amazed at how much of 'myself' I've got back in the past 5 weeks. I didn't realise the 'holistic' effect not drinking would bring about. I still have 'wobbles' and events like last night's dinner date where I decline a glass of wine still surprise me. I have, however, stopped counting days now and work in approx weeks. I am so much happier, calmer and no longer feel such a need for 'treats' for getting through life. I fervently hope this is going to last but, if for some reason it doesn't, I'll be straight back to those who have helped me. Blood test in Jan to see if my poor liver has forgiven me. The looming cloud is the 'C' word that I'm not allowed to think about until it gets here [grins]!

Am really pleased to have most of my energy back although I didn't expect it to take so long, and my sleep pattern still hasn't settled down but I'm sure that will come eventually.

Written too much (again) but I've been thinking a lot recently about it all. Reading the posts on this thread helps bring about thinking, questions and answers that have sometimes eluded me. This site has been invaluable and I wouldn't have got this far without it and all the lovely Babes on here. xx

PurpleWolfe · 24/11/2012 21:03

(It must, not I must! Tut!)

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