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He's obsessed with sex...

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Littleblue · 10/10/2012 11:27

We have been dating six months , and they have largely been the happiest ever for me , except for his obsession with sex.... he takes it as rejection if I turn him down , and mostly manages to get over it.... but I turned him down last night , I was tired and stressed and not in the mood , (and his expectation is a huge turn off anyway)We were snuggled up , and he kept groping me which I was fending off but gently , to me it should be clear by then?! so he turns my face to his and insists on proper tongue snogging , which I had been evading... I HATE snogging if i'm not in the mood for sex.. I'm not frigid , when were both in the right mood the sex is incredible....he seems to think that because thats the case , we should ALWAYS be at it... so pissed off ,he turned his back on me last night, he's clearly sulking today...Angry

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Heleninahandcart · 11/10/2012 14:15

We tend to needlessly beat ourselves up for making an appalling error of judgement when the fact is they've misjudged us. This.

Littleblue, this does look like the classic case of your ex being such an obviously abusive bastard that your current bf Mr Less Obvious Bastard almost seemed reasonable by comparison. Add that to the damage your ex did to your self esteem it is not surprising you doubted your own judgement. Although it might not feel like it now, you have actually done really well in setting out your stall with this man. It is his shame that he chose not to respect them.

Apty · 11/10/2012 14:16

Well done for facing this and realising how damaging it is for you.

I've just ended my relationship for similar reasons - I do think that if you've had experiences before that have been really awful, you automatically think that it must be you, it can't be them, AGAIN, can it? I can't imagine getting into another relationship, which makes me sad but how do you negotiate all this stuff, it seems impossible.

reallysilly · 11/10/2012 14:50

Littleblue, you are so admirable. You can recognise the red flags, you are going to get out of this situation.

Like you, I feel like I'm in it and you've made me realise that what my dh is doing is not normal. He does everything yours does.

Mine is sulking with me today because I don't kiss him with passion all the time. My dh wants to proper snog with me too, very very often and I just don't feel it except like you when I'm in the mood for something else.

But I've been with my dh for 12 years and we have 2 dc. I know how hard break ups are, and I know you're not in a good place right now, but I also feel that you can make a clean break from your dp and never look back. I wish I had realised what my dh was like 6 months into the relationship.

Littleblue · 11/10/2012 15:38

To me , and obviously most of us on here.. full on snogging is sexual , part of lovemaking , not..as in my case... while I am cooking the kids tea , walking the dogs , leaving a restaurant in front of friends...its another form of sexual penetration , the tongue stuff , its also a stamp of ownership imho... Have you had relate counselling RS..? and yes , I think you are entirely right Helen and Apty... He's chatting away to his friends on his Fb publically , quite coldly happy that we are to have a convo later where he gets to tell me how selfish I am being , even though he knows how severe my depression is , I have been put on the naughty step.... well he can fuck right off , he's forgotten who he is dealing with tbh...

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Anniegetyourgun · 11/10/2012 15:42

Do you plan to tell him you're not in the mood for talking tonight so he isn't invited round? You're not obliged to listen to a load of blaming 'n' shit, least of all in your own home.

Littleblue · 11/10/2012 15:44

I will tell him in no uncertain terms that I have nothing to say as his brand of mindfuck makes me ill , and he needs help... and I will return his belongings , and collect mine when I feel able...

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Littleblue · 11/10/2012 15:46

I had a lovely walk with my dogs... I intend to focus on my family , work and studies... I clearly attract trainwrecks , they say like attracts like... so I am redflagging myself.. I have daughters , I am not currently happy with the example I am setting my children...

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LemonDrizzled · 11/10/2012 15:58

You are being a good mother to your daughters LB, they will grow up with much better boundaries and standards as a result of your soul searching. Pat yourself on the back and have a tiny treat Thanks

Heleninahandcart · 11/10/2012 16:03

Agree with Annie, you don't need to have him in your own home poking at you either physically or metaphorically. You owe him nothing except maybe his stuff in a bin bag box.

Yes, the snogging in his case is ownership and entitlement. Snogging is a very intimate thing, not for public consumption in front of friends and certainly not in front of your kids in your home.

I am Angry on your behalf now how dare he.

Littleblue · 11/10/2012 16:07

He dares because he feels entitled which in fact..is the basis of all abusive personalities is it not...

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Apty · 11/10/2012 16:40

My dh did't do the kissing thing, but just become more and more controlling and resentful and entitled about it all. He insisted that it was me in the wrong and when I argued back he just stepped it up. I argued on here that he's empathic and a good father etc etc etc because I couldn't see that I don't have to live with it. It's still very new and I still have doubts about what I'm doing, but it has to be the right decision.

Littleblue · 11/10/2012 16:46

When I left my exe... about six months later , a very gruelling and dreadful six months that I could never imagine improving.... I went out for a drive one day to settle my poor busted head and I came to a cross roads.... pondering which way to go I had one of the biggest light bulb moments of my life... I could go where I wanted , my life was my own again Have you read Lundy Bancrofts book ... ?

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Apty · 11/10/2012 16:54

Yes it was that book that made all the difference - i couldn't believe how familiar it all was, I didn't know i was in an abusive relationship, which doesn't even make sense.

He's still very much involved though, it's early days, he's coming over in an hour for the evening, I'm finding it really difficult.

Littleblue · 11/10/2012 16:59

Mumsnet put me onto that several years ago... and womensaid , I didnt know either.. and I'm clear now , making mistakes still yes , but my roof/bed/home are unsullied , and I don't live on my nerves anymore... despite this recent idiots best efforts to discredit me... if it helps , the nutter exe and I have achieved a very solid working relationship co parenting our children now...took a long time , and mediation , but we agreed that the kids come first , and we need to stfu and concentrate on them... funny , dp resents my exe , cos hes "pissed up his lamp post" .... warning bell....much

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reallysilly · 11/10/2012 17:06

You're right, that's what it is, entitlement.

At least Littleblue and Apty, you had the courage to leave.

My head's all over the place and I'm dreading dh coming home because I have to face his sulking again. I haven't had counselling. Dh won't go because our problems are "all caused by me". Some of Lundy Bancroft's book resonated, some not. Dh wants me to be like I was in the honeymoon period, but I just can't be. To him, this means that I don't love him...sigh...

You're at the crossroads again Littleblue. I wish you strength.

Apty, at least you've been brave and got out, that's the first step.

Apty · 11/10/2012 17:07

It's really good you've got a good co-parenting relationship. I just can't imagine feeling ok. How do you get past what happened? Is it just time? Did he ever acknowledge what he did?

This new dp does sound like he says some ridiculous things and has some vile attitudes.

Apty · 11/10/2012 17:09

Thanks reallysilly. I feel like i'm half in and half out atm - still trying to work out what's for the best. I think i know the answer but so much pressure from him, children, families - to put it all back together. I know that time will mean i'll be clearer ( i hope anyway)

Are you wanting to leave?

Littleblue · 11/10/2012 17:13

Counselling doesnt work in DV as they don't change... its hard wired , we went through hell for years , he has lived with two other women since , now on his third , and has been arrested during all of his relationships that I now of for harrassment and violent behaviour... this current gf seems to be working for him shes a quiet little mouse with no kids..and they are about to get married !! I have moved on from his behaviour , its not relevant to my life now , and last time we bickered our daughter told us off ! lol , shes not ten yet ! That honeymoon bit is entirely what they all think things should be like.. as for dp , we made love only the other night and even during the act he was like "see how good this is?" trying to make it clear we should be at it like frickin monkeys... idiot

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Littleblue · 11/10/2012 17:14

What drove me out finally was not wanting him as a fulltime role model for our children....

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blackcurrants · 11/10/2012 17:15

dp resents my exe , cos hes "pissed up his lamp post"

wot a charmer, eh? quick, PM me his number, I must go and throw my knickers at him like he's a 1960s Tom Jones, for his silvertongued brilliance makes me weak at the knees! ....

... seriously, littleblue you are WELL RID..
You dumped him yet?

reallysilly · 11/10/2012 17:16

I'm just confused. Dh is just like Littleblue's dp. We go in waves where if he's "satisfied" things run smoothly, if not, he freezes me and sulks. I know that we'd be better off apart, but I can't work up the courage to do it.
In the end I apologise to him (where I don't feel at fault at all) just to keep the peace and make him be nice to me again. (I feel so pathetic)

How do you actually make the break? Dh will get mad and make it so hard.

reallysilly · 11/10/2012 17:17

sorry to hijack, I really just wanted to support you Littleblue. I hope you're ok.

Littleblue · 11/10/2012 17:20

Recognising the stockholm syndrome elements of such a relationship will help...
'"Why Do You Stay?" Traumatic Bonding And
The Development Of The Stockholm Syndrome in Battered Women

  • by Debra Dixon

(verbal, emotional, psychological & online abuse is also BATTERING)

We hear the question, "Why do you stay?" ask of battered women over and over. Most of society tired long ago of the answer, "Because I love him." When a battered woman says "because I love him" she is describing the Stockholm Syndrome in the best way that she can. She knows that she has very strong feelings for him and can only attribute those feelings to love because of a lack of information. These victims do not have the information they need to accurately describe the dynamics involved in the bonding process that occurs with abuse and trauma and therefore attribute their intense feelings the best way that they can - love.

Theories on why battered women stay have ranged from "learned helplessness" to masochism to feminist theory regarding status and resources. While some of these issues (learned helplessness and a lack of resources) can be contributing factors it is time we look at the bond created by severe, prolonged trauma.

Traumatic bonding was first recognized and acknowledged during a hostage incident in Stockholm, Sweden. Authorities were amazed that the hostages refused to cooperate with them and actually saw law enforcement as the villains. What they were witnessing was the hostage's identification with the hostage taker. Authorities were even more shocked when the hostages refused to testify against their captors and one of the women later married him. While hostages may bond after a matter of hours batterers usually have many years with the victims without any interference or intervention.

This bond occurs because the well being of a child, a hostage or a battered woman depends upon the hostage taker or the batterer. If a batterer has total control over her money, safety, peace and happiness then it is in her best interest to keep him happy. This bond is not only in the best interest of the perpetrator but is, at times, in the best interest of the victim and is frequently necessary for her survival. If a hostage, or battered woman, is argumentative and provocative they are more likely to be injured. If a batterer or hostage taker dislikes the victim their likelihood of injury increases.

We often berate the victim for staying in these relationships and can't understand how it happened. A violent, controlling man does not take a woman out and beat her on the first date. We all put on our best face when we initially meet people and batterers are no different. If he took the woman out and beat her on the first date there would be no second date. She has no history or investment in the relationship and wouldn't tolerate it. His taking control of her is a gradual process.

Battered women, hostages and prisoner's of war will share some of the same experiences. Some of these shared experiences are that they are degraded, debilitated, they experience the constant threat of violence, the violence is intermittent, their are occasional indulgences, the captor demonstrates omnipotence, isolation etc...

The dynamics involved in domestic violence can be demonstrated by what's called The Power And Control Wheel by the Domestic Abuse Intervention Project (DAIP). It's interesting because when we compare Bidermans Chart of Coercion by Amnesty International with the Power and Control Wheel they are almost identical. (Bidermans Chart of Coercion is how Amnesty International documented the techniques of the Communist Chinese, KGB, etc. )

There are many types of service providers coming in contact with battered women who are still unaware of why these women stay. These service providers are unable to address the bigger picture due to a lack of information. The inability to address this issue creates many problems. Law enforcement, and much of society, still blames the women for defending their attackers, unaware of the fact that not only is defending the attacker in her best interest but the bond itself reduces her injury. The victims are not given the information they need to deal with the bond they feel and therefore attribute their perplexing feelings to "love." Allowing them, and their children, to continue in traumatic relationships.

While we advise against confrontational behavior we ask that battered women cooperate with law enforcement who can frequently only guarantee her safety for a matter of hours. I am not saying that battered women should not cooperate. I am asking that we rethink our approach to domestic violence based on the fact that a traumatic bond is occurring and that the bond itself must be taken into consideration and dealt with.''

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Littleblue · 11/10/2012 17:22

I'm ok , the shocks fading... I recognise this gutsick sucker punched shock sensation only too well... and lol at blackcurrants !!!

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reallysilly · 11/10/2012 17:36

"see how good this is" - My dh says this kind of thing but says he says it because he wants to feel close to me all the time. I don't know if this is the truth or that he just wants sex full stop. I'm so confused! When your dp said it, you knew that it meant you should be at it all the time. Why can't I work it out????

Thanks for the Stockholm syndrome stuff. Very interesting.

Littleblue, do you think your dp will put up a fight when you say it's over?